posted on May, 3 2011 @ 06:22 AM
reply to post by gravitational
Ummm... Wrong? The words aren't mine. I didn't write the resolution. It clearly states
(i) Withdrawal of Israel armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict;
Therefor that equates to the withdrawal of the pre-June 1967 borders.
If anything, the debate needs to to be between Israel Jordan and Egypt. Not Palestine. There was never a country or anything called Palestine. There
never was a group of people called Palestinians until 1967.
Do you understand the concept of diplomacy and foreign policy. First of all, what relevance does the fact that Palestine never had official statehood
play in the equation? The nation of Palestine never had statehood... Yes, you are right. What difference does this make? Does this justify an Israeli
invasion and the displacement of civilians? No... Unless of course you are a disturbed individual. The question of legal statehood is of no importance
to the debate. The fact is, it is the Palestinians (who want to be independant of not just Israel, but of Egypt, Jordan and Syria) that Israel is in
The ethnicity of the people who live in Gaza and the West Bank, or the people who lived in Palestine prior to Israel creation or the people who lived
in Palestine after Israel creation plays no relevance in the debate either.
Did you know many Jews didn't even care for Israel when they imigrated to Israel. Many came from Russia after Boris Yeltsin brought forth un-populour
economic reforms. They explicity said so themselves. They only came becuase it was better then staying in Russia. This is un-desputable. They were
used as a cheap labour force and replaced many Palestinians in this sense. However I don't claim this has any relavance in the argument of a peace
settlement. You are relying on facts which are completely arbitrary.
You are relying on trivial historic facts which play no relevance in the argument to justify Israels actions and Israel foreign policy.
I said that the comment/statement regarding an acceptance of peace under the pre-June 1967 borders- from Hamas was debatable. I never said that I
agreed with it. I did say I believe Hamas would as it would be stupid to not. Hamas agreed to peace under the pre-June 1967 borders as far back as the
Carter administration. I apologise I'm going to have to dig through a few books to find a source. I read this a couple of years ago.
A quick google search brought me to this paper: www.palint.org...
However I will continue to dig through books to confirm this.
Here is more sources and proof.
April 21, 2008
“’We agree on the [Palestinian] state with the borders of June 4, 1967, Jerusalem as its capital, fully sovereign without settlements, the right
of return, but without the recognition of Israel’.”
(Qtd. in “Hamas: No plan to recognize Israel,” CNN.com, April 21, 2008,
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