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Herbal remedy Ban- in force today!

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 02:04 PM
reply to post by vagabondrobb

this is sad as death. i can appreciate snake oil / charlatan cures being restricted, too much of that has gone on for too long. but legitimate vitamins, herbs and natural remedies have an important place in many peoples lives. i hope the best for our Euro friends in getting this ignorant, destructive ban overturned.

the USA is not far behind. there was a OP on ATS that mentioned an upcoming clamp-down on OTC drugs that do not substantiate their claims. we do have a lot of non-approved miracle pills that appear on TV commercials here, always have. hopefully when the Iron Fist is lowered in the States we will still be able to purchase legitimate vitamins and supplements.

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 03:22 PM

Originally posted by HenryPatrick
people should be rioting in the streets over this...the time for waiting around for the fascists to roll back the wave of control is over, and it is time to march on the people that are robbing us of our natural human birthright to nature's bounties...

I wish very much that people would become impassioned and decide to stand up to this blatant greed and oppression. But the powers that be seem to have a pretty steady grip on our social behaviour. It's like vegetarianism and animal welfare groups, tree protesters and countless other minority activists; those who 'make a fuss' or can be portrayed to be hindering or are at odds with the superlative importance of humankind's comfort and perceived progression, are ridiculed and therefore effectively outcast from the rest of society, leaving them devoid of any credibility or respect. And its method of control which we perpetuate ourselves. People are hard-wired to seek the safety and comfort of a large social group, where certain 'norms' are prevalent. When someone from outside that group comes along and expresses a sentiment that is at odds with these, the reaction is ridicule. By doing so you disassociate yourself from the dangerous minority and reinforce your position within the safety of the majority.

It's the same with this. People see modern medicine as the technological and scientific manifestation of the 'educated' and 'clever' man. The 'enlightened' is the group of people that everyone wants to be in. To dissociate yourself with it, means you're an outcast- a stupid nobody.

Luckily there are many who couldn't care less about what society thinks.

It is we who laugh at the sheep.

edit on 30-4-2011 by vagabondrobb because: few extra words

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 04:36 PM
In America pharmaceuticals kill 100,000 people a year. Somehow I really really doubt herbal goods match that.

Do you know what this is like? It's like the government banning 3% alcohol because it's too dangerous and causes health risks, but selling you 40% spirits.

Government are just protecting big Pharma' profits. It's sickening.

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 05:22 PM

Originally posted by davesmart
ive had enough the whole world is going down the pan, thank goodness my BOB is nearly ready just need to get some in britain i check the map to find safe areas to hide out,then it dawned on me, britain is an island ive nowhere to run, its just another very big outdoor prison....

I've been saying it for years.. The uk is the worlds biggest open prison..

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 06:14 PM
I didn't see a mention of Codex Alimentartius in the thread yet did I?
You can read about it online - seems to me that this is just part of the actual implementation of something that has been documented and signed up to for a few years now.
No more helping yourself cos you don't make the right choices.
No more theraputic doses of vitamins etc...

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 06:54 PM
This really to the cake for downers today. I start my Master's in CAM in September. If this is on it's way to the states I hope I can complete the program before so I can continue to practice.

So people migrated in search of there a UFO docking station I could get too from my house?

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 07:55 PM
Possible dangerous side effects?
We have modern medicines which can kill your liver, give you an addiction and even make you more likely to attempt suicide.
Where are the herbal side effects to match that? Headaches?

Herbal medicines are completely safe in comparison to modern medicines, with most of the side effects occouring only if you take the remedies before the second trimester of pregnancy.

How do these people honestly think people practiced medicine BEFORE big pharma? Is the general public really that stupid? Every stupid drug we ingest had to have come from something natural right in the beginning, and many beneficial effects have been linked with certain herbs and foods.
The human race is going to get aloot sicker after this

The same bill is going in America, which could make herbal practitioners class 1 felons.

SB 31 states that anyone who practices medicine or surgery without having been first “licensed and registered to do so” will be guilty of a Class I felony. Class I felonies in NC are the least severe kinds of felonies, but they do include things like burning crosses on private or public property, and sexually exploiting children. So if passed, SB 31 will essentially make those who practice alternative medicine without an official, state-sanctioned license and permit, criminals of the likes of sexual predators and cross burners.

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edit on 30-4-2011 by littlecloud because: typo

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:03 PM
Is DHEA included in the ban? What we have here is big pharmo showing that it can reach out and get rid of its competition, so in this case every politican who had a hand in the decision should be interviewed and on the record as to reasons why they did this. And how can the more progressive areas of the EU accept this without an outcry from its public officials, university personnel, and others. This is one of those issues which, if allowed to stand, will affect the human race from the get-go.

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 09:44 PM

Originally posted by iWokeUp
reply to post by CanYouHandleTheTruth

Tell me about it ! Sometimes i wonder if joining ATS was a good thing or not. Every day i just feel like we are fighting a loosing battle

I know what you mean. That is the problem, not enough people are on ATS and sites like it. Only a few people know this is going on. 95% or more will know nothing about it until they go to buy something only then to learn it is now ban. And when you try to tell people about what is going on they just look at you like you have lost your mind. But then they are the same ones that scream"NO ONE TOLD ME!!!" or "HOW WAS I TO KNOW?" or "WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?". No one seems to care enough to even bother with what is going on now days. I do believe we are fighting a loosing battle because not enough people care to even know what is going on.

posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:43 PM
This is the scariest thing immaginable to me. If, or more likely when it comes to this over here in the states, I fear too many are already on one or more of Big Pharma's comply or die pills to put up a fight. Public safety is the end of us all. What a conundrum.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:18 AM
I don't understand whats the problem? Didn't you guys consistently vote for big government and state oriented solutions to every problem? Now you've granted the state jurisdiction over every detail of your medical treatments. All for the greater good of course. Just because the greater good is really for the greater good of big pharma shouldn't alarm you. After all socialistic concepts imply that big government is benign and always makes the best decisions for the masses. Just keep voting lefty and big government and everything will become a utopian paradise, just like Stalin said it would be.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:39 AM
I have signed the petition... Being from Australia I couldn't imagine that happening here, It's terrible that it should happen anywhere else.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:54 AM
Herbal side effects occur way less than modern medicine. One step closer to full control, since they will now control your options for your body.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:57 AM
ENOUGH OF MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In this stupid world, if the big money was in herbal medicine, they would try to ban pharmaceuticals.
They are mad, totally lost it.

Sometimes I think they are testing us, pissing us off by choice and wondering how come we haven't done the revolution yet.

"Are those dumb asses gonna stop us or go baaaaaaah forever?"

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:11 AM
reply to post by trouble_every_day

The Codex is what entered my mind too; that system being placed was the "mothership" of this whole movement, and we've been building regional platforms in countries to accomodate it such as Bill C-36, Bill S-510.

Senate Bill S510 Makes it illegal to Grow, Share, Trade or Sell Homegrown Food

They've been slowly banning herbs for use in Canada since the early '90's, trimming them yearly as to stay under the radar of mass concern. It's very hard to find a collective list, I wonder if anyone has managed?

Now we get to hear them lecture us with nonsense like this :

“Herbal medicines should also only be used for minor health conditions such as colds, coughs, sleep problems or low mood. Those remedies claiming to cure serious illnesses should be avoided at all costs.

“For these reasons, anyone wanting to take herbal medicines should speak to a health professional first, such as a pharmacist, in order to be safe and get the right information about a product.‘natural’-doesn’t-always-mean-safe.asp

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:49 AM
reply to post by vagabondrobb

since when has a ban by another human being stopped other humans,its a piece of paper,its a mind state,its not a reality,do what u want, ask japan how well paper is as a barrier

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 11:39 AM
This is weird, I thought I had posted to this thread and it actually went to "thread662174" so I have copied my reply below:

S&F for this thread.
I would hate to think that those of us who "choose" to use natural remedies rather than "manufactured medicines" to obtain relief from our ailments will be forced to support the large pharmaceutical companies bottom line.

It's already hard enough to eat foods that are not laced with additives, preservatives, fillers and other ingredients that the normal person cannot even pronounce let alone explain what they are. And the truly sad thing is the foods that are best for us cost more than the 'highly processed' substitutes.

I know myself that a rheumatologist had me taking Mobicox for arthritis in my knees and wrists and when I complained that I was having stomach upsets from it he added another drug Pariat (sp) to counter the effects of the first drug. Well I took these medicines for a little over a year until the "Celebrex" side effects issue came into the MSM. I told my family doctor that I no longer wanted to be on these drugs and was quitting them, his comment was to try it and see how it goes. Well it has now been 5-6 years, and yes I still have days when my knees ache in the mornings and I use A535 like hand cream, but I would rather have some pain and rely on exercise to keep moving than depend on too many drugs and worry about interactions.

This same specialist wanted to inject cortisone into my shoulder to relieve the symptoms of a "frozen shoulder". An affliction that will eventually work itself out over time if you perform exercises to keep it moving and listen to your own limitations. For some who can't, or won't invest the time and effort , maybe that is an option--but not for me.

I guess if they can take away our herbal remedies, then they will begin to attack the massage therapists, physiotherapy and acupuncture/acupressure practitioners, faith healers, and nutritionists,etc. Next step would be to prevent those who use the power of thought to cease and desist thinking.

Thanks for letting me vent,

NB: Those who anger you, control you.

posted on May, 1 2011 @ 04:49 PM

Originally posted by Survivalism
I have signed the petition... Being from Australia I couldn't imagine that happening here, It's terrible that it should happen anywhere else.



Sadly, from the Australian Food Safety Authority...
"The Codex Alimentarius is the internationally recognised set of food standards and guidelines. All food law in all countries is developed based on these requirements, as well as the specific needs of each country."

I know even in NZ we have an official Codex website so I know full well that there are lobbies and ngo's pushing it's agenda. It's only a matter of time before one of the main policies gets presented to parliament and everyone starts saying "wtf?!"
What about the TPP agreement? That's something scary both you and I should be able to relate to...

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