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posted on Aug, 6 2004 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by theron dunn
or foolish arrogance

we can never even begin to grasp the nature of g-d...


Ah, yes, of course, but there is a commandment against idolatry. If there was a commandment against foolish arrogance, all of humanity would constantly be in a state of dire mortal sin, no?




posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 02:29 AM
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I do not think that attempting, however futily (??) to understand and compass the nature of g-d is futility, for in attempting to understand, we expand our own limited minds... as long as we do not get trapped by what we think we understand, we are not idolizing... right?



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by The Merovingian


This post would only apply and serve to deceive those who take the bible to be anything more than a compilation of fireside stories and general manipulations put together over the centuries for the sole purpose of world domination population control. Otherwise, it is meaningless and your post is nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

The bible is not about GOD who created this world or JESUS who died and will save all of you from eternal hell but a cleverly devised set of stories and intricate secrets that reveal the very truths behind the existence of the earth and its inhabitants. It's all about the Nephilim and the eventual attempts at regaining control over the planet and its people. These I believe are components of the real secrets behind Masonry and other societies dating back over the centuries (Knights Templar, Rosicrucians, Priory of Zion, etc., etc.). All secrets to be closely guarded or risk the unthinkable - loss of control.

Knowledge is power.

Look at it - more people are governed, manipulated, coersced, controlled and killed due to this concept called 'religion' than anything else we experience. Nothing else even comes close! How clever it is and yet we dare not question it.



The Merovingian, I agree heartily with a lot of what you say about religion. It definitely has been used as an effective means of control through the ages by Christians, Jews, Muslims etc.

But Freermasonry isn't a religion, is it? And swearing oaths isn't confined to them either. There's marriage oaths, oaths of allegiance, the Hippocratic oath, to name a few. I didn't see this topic as being about religion per se, but obviously you did.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:22 AM
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You Omitted:

"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths; But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; nor by the earth, for it is his footstool; neither by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay nay: for whatsoever is more than these, cometh of evil" (Matthew 5:33-37).



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:33 AM
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Yes G-D exists, the old testament bares witness to the creation of the world as written the Lords closet prophet of all of created human beings.

There is no hidden meanings here, eg, a secret coded law of secrets protecting the secret societies that exist, only this my dear yearning friends.

G-D loves us, all and if you read the old testament correctly and not become biased or influenced by the outside new age mentality that we have to interpret for ourselves, rather there are ways in which we are supposed to read and interpret the holy Bible, which I can get and send to you all another time, if you wish.

But I feel you all are searching and trying to cleave to something that is real, thats good thats holy and admirable of a soul to do, as this is one of the purposes G-D brought you here to this world for, and thats to fulfill you created purpose.

How do we find our created purpose and know for sure, never stop searching your heart mind and soul, and remember this point .

"Never be sure of yourself all the days of your life, until you die, and G-D forbid we die."

Life is simple, but others have come along and changed the world in order so they may have the power the glory the gold for themselves, and if you think I'm wrong, prove to me who has been for the world.

Just a new thought, if the masons were so pure and true why would they have a secret society, unlike the jewish nation who openly serves the Lord, and does not try to convince other people to join them, they just serve G-D as best they can, and they have been openly slaughtered for thousands of years for it, and yet they remain steadfast in their faith of the Old Tesatament?

Ill tell you all why, because there are two followings in this created World 1 is the jewish faith and the other is the laws for the children of Noah who have 7 laws, its that simple, all other religions secret societies, cults clubs, rites, lodges, whatever else we think is cool to belong to, or be a part of, is for our own ego.

Oh you think I'm wrong, search your heart, study the Old Testament the chapter on Noah, and before you get flustered and just write an answer search your heart and soul and be honest to your self, not even me for who am I just a new idea coming into your head right now.

Then is you feel after true selfless thought and 10 outside opinions tell me your answers, for then I would like to hear your valid responses, not just angry bursts of jokes or sarcasim, or dissagreements.

For then you are living true to Your G-D you so highly talk of.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 03:40 PM
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DetectivePerez, your quote about oaths is off point and not relevant for a couple of reasons. First, to start this thread, I offered over 200 examples of oath, promise and swearings IN THE BIBLE, among them are many by G-d Himself TO mankind.

Second, Masons make a promise to abstain from and to perform certain acts, and ask GOD'S HELP IN MAINTAINING THEIR PROMISE/OATH, not swearing BY anything... in fact, the wording is so help me god and keep me steadfast in the due observance of this my solemn obligation as...

So you are wrong, again, regarding masonry. Before you post any more on this subject, you might want to do a little actual detective work instead of regurgitating falsehoods... ya think?



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 05:50 PM
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Obviously you got offended by what I posted as a thread, which telles me one thing you are trying to justify your own alter ego, and more so, you have not followed what I was telling you, if you are trying to sell me on your rites, by quoting the old testament, and linking it perhaps to this mason society you live by then its just another way of people abusing G-D's holy writings for their own personal use, and by claiming so much that you or your society thinks they know well, sir its just a fad, or a nice partry trik in the scheme of the fabric of this worlds time frame and just as there have been other societies and other kingdoms and great nations under the Lord's words used to create and treat a "new world order" or "society" shame on you for trying to sell, it or convince others its truth, as you are just as corrupt as the very oath that was instituted by your founder, who deceided to to create a blind fold for mans eyes and convince your poor souls who had little purpose or understood purpose shopuld I say, little direction pain, suffering and just to rectify your babble from before as you have not said anything here by taking from a holy sacred scripture your own selfless interpretaions, for a meaning of brainwashing yourself and innocent others.

Oh and show your 33rds this as well and lets sit around a large table when you all come out of your hidding places as men alone to speak your truth and humanitarin rites, to the world instead of hide behind the worlds most trusted truths and sacred holy words of the Lords Work.

Dont kid yourself as to your true pure life, myth man , I watch you kats from far and wide, we see your work on doors of evil and your tongues swipe at innocent blood, may your soul be saved from the breath of the dragons of the depths, for the time is now to leave the lies and purify yourselves, and yes even you babha.

When you come to light darkness only has 1 leg to stand on.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 06:04 PM
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Putting it gently, the previous poster is a misnomer. And having a bad day.




posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 08:27 PM
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As long as there are secrets, there will be people who will try to uncover and reveal them. The deeper the secret the more suspicion generally is aroused, hence, the often negative portrayal of those harbouring the secrets. From my short membership so far with ATS, I find the majority seeks to understand that which they do not know, and each member lends their own bias, good bad or in between, whether through fact, fictition or supposition. We all love a mystery.

Freemasonry has been around for centuries, yet not a single member that I am aware of, has divulged the information so lustfully sought after. It cannot possibly be so that if this society of secrets, for it is not a secret society, were to be hiding anything so insidious in nature, that not one member has ever come forward, or found a way to expose the nature of this fraternity. Granted that, the secrets are revealed to its members as they ascend the ranks of degrees, and from what I understand, only the top 3 ranks, hold the keys to the vault if you will. How likely is it that the millions who have passed through the lower ranks are all, without exception, duped ans effectively silenced?

Were the Freemasons as Satanic or evil as some portray, such an insidious society would not be a major contributor to worldwide charities which heavily supports childrens hospitals, the poor, the needy, the sick, the impoverished, the family, the widows. They do not preach from the pulpit, they do not threaten their followers, they do not protest against other fraternities or any religion, they do not claim to be The Way. As with all walks of society I have met some I did not care for, but most I do hold in high esteem.

So I for one cannot understand why are so many so persistent in uncovering their secrets at any cost, including the extreme use of deleterious propaganda.

I am much more inclined to uncovering the secrets with the sovereign state known as the Vatican, a state protected by law, by sovereign rights, a state which has been behind scandal after scandal, a state behind the parsing of and complete rights to the New Testament, a state behind the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, a state whose purpose is solely religious and which has sole discretion for excising its own laws of justice, a state which supposedly sought to quiet the Freemasons, etc. etc., than in a fraternity which seems to build men of quality while promoting goodwill, and the belief in a superior being.

One day perhaps we will know what the Masons are about, but something tells me that they represent a balance that we can ill afford to have. I am pleased to know many, some before they joined the fraternity, and rare is the one I do not like.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 09:31 PM
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is straying from the swamped lands of insulting others to please his own worth.


And why I say this is as he is ripping into the Old Testament, go look for yourself, masked swamped thing.

But its cool, as you have many more thousand of hours than us new dorks right, and your cool bru
... not ... dude, I think that you and you self opinionated hog washing mask is just a shaded area so you can laugh at G-D and the rest of the world, and hide your face here between these pages of scared souls, too Mr Masky.........

So bro go to the desert take some payote get high find yourself bro, take offf the mask have a beer , nnnooooo not infront of the screen dude, go to the beach, mountains, you know get out , unchain yourself from you desk, put on some suntan lotion as you will get bruned this time of year for no coming out in the world for so long MASK.

Bro.. if you want I can recommend do truth pills , either the red, one hey the blue one might just help you land in atlantis, in a ufo, near a crapped dusted field
...

, ok, for red eyes dont smoke more reifer, or not sleep more, as this may help you get another 23408 points to you ATS bonus, yeah you win , your the man , MASK Mask, your my hero, bro, please can you tell me my fortune.....


Your my hero MASK.... NOT....

BAD day, imagine when I'm really piossed offf, wow, back up everyone mask has predictions, lets see masked kat tell G-D that he is misguided G-D forbid, and I joke only because mask you think the sun shines out your asss or something.....

Bro what do think your achieving by telling me that Im having a bad day...

Bad days, are when 9/11's happen because of fools masked like you do stupid stuff like blow them selves up because, you have an opinion, well, buddy welcome to the world of grow up, masked dork, take yourself out to the world and get your ear to the ground and reveal the truth.. ten you can stand here in my realm and talk you babble , as you can see you neither you mason brotyhers can answer to any of these simple statments other than
, ah hes having a bad day..............
, yeah that will turn the crowd over , mask you got them now bro..... close that line...........




Dont try to kid me man cub, your desire is not for truth or eternal love, bro, its self directed ego laughter, hey mask your funnnnnnnyyyy bro



look im laughing with my bad day, ha ha


No sir your a misnomer. period



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:07 PM
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I am very pleased indeed not to be your hero!

If I did not know better I would suspect a TCA[WyTX] entity. But you're not even good at faking that - even they have good days sometimes!

Estimated life span 48 hours.

www.abovetopsecret.com... refers.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by EternalLeaderof Truth
is straying from the swamped lands of insulting others to please his own worth.


And why I say this is as he is ripping into the Old Testament, go look for yourself, masked swamped thing.

But its cool, as you have many more thousand of hours than us new dorks right, and your cool bru
... not ... dude, I think that you and you self opinionated hog washing mask is just a shaded area so you can laugh at G-D and the rest of the world, and hide your face here between these pages of scared souls, too Mr Masky.........

So bro go to the desert take some payote get high find yourself bro, take offf the mask have a beer , nnnooooo not infront of the screen dude, go to the beach, mountains, you know get out , unchain yourself from you desk, put on some suntan lotion as you will get bruned this time of year for no coming out in the world for so long MASK.

Bro.. if you want I can recommend do truth pills , either the red, one hey the blue one might just help you land in atlantis, in a ufo, near a crapped dusted field
...

, ok, for red eyes dont smoke more reifer, or not sleep more, as this may help you get another 23408 points to you ATS bonus, yeah you win , your the man , MASK Mask, your my hero, bro, please can you tell me my fortune.....


Your my hero MASK.... NOT....

BAD day, imagine when I'm really piossed offf, wow, back up everyone mask has predictions, lets see masked kat tell G-D that he is misguided G-D forbid, and I joke only because mask you think the sun shines out your asss or something.....

Bro what do think your achieving by telling me that Im having a bad day...

Bad days, are when 9/11's happen because of fools masked like you do stupid stuff like blow them selves up because, you have an opinion, well, buddy welcome to the world of grow up, masked dork, take yourself out to the world and get your ear to the ground and reveal the truth.. ten you can stand here in my realm and talk you babble , as you can see you neither you mason brotyhers can answer to any of these simple statments other than
, ah hes having a bad day..............
, yeah that will turn the crowd over , mask you got them now bro..... close that line...........




Dont try to kid me man cub, your desire is not for truth or eternal love, bro, its self directed ego laughter, hey mask your funnnnnnnyyyy bro



look im laughing with my bad day, ha ha


No sir your a misnomer. period


At first I thought one of my simian brethren was doing the "old monkey banging on a typewriter routine", but upon closer inspection I have to say that it's not our work. Yes there have been passages of Shakespeare, and on a bad day, maybe even some Oscar Wilde, even Walt Whitman during our random typewriter flagellations. There was the one time back in the eighties when Magilla the Gorilla was channeling Jim Morrison, and the primate world was on its head every time he went near a Smith-Corona, or IBM. Nope this was definitely human, in a vague, undeveloped, shallow gene pool kind of way... it's a relief to have a sloping forehead at times like this.


Primates, not just for medical testing anymore...



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by EternalLeaderof Truth
is straying from the swamped lands of insulting others to please his own worth.


And why I say this is as he is ripping into the Old Testament, go look for yourself, masked swamped thing.

But its cool, as you have many more thousand of hours than us new dorks right, and your cool bru
... not ... dude, I think that you and you self opinionated hog washing mask is just a shaded area so you can laugh at G-D and the rest of the world, and hide your face here between these pages of scared souls, too Mr Masky.........

So bro go to the desert take some payote get high find yourself bro, take offf the mask have a beer , nnnooooo not infront of the screen dude, go to the beach, mountains, you know get out , unchain yourself from you desk, put on some suntan lotion as you will get bruned this time of year for no coming out in the world for so long MASK.

Bro.. if you want I can recommend do truth pills , either the red, one hey the blue one might just help you land in atlantis, in a ufo, near a crapped dusted field
...

, ok, for red eyes dont smoke more reifer, or not sleep more, as this may help you get another 23408 points to you ATS bonus, yeah you win , your the man , MASK Mask, your my hero, bro, please can you tell me my fortune.....


Your my hero MASK.... NOT....

BAD day, imagine when I'm really piossed offf, wow, back up everyone mask has predictions, lets see masked kat tell G-D that he is misguided G-D forbid, and I joke only because mask you think the sun shines out your asss or something.....

Bro what do think your achieving by telling me that Im having a bad day...

Bad days, are when 9/11's happen because of fools masked like you do stupid stuff like blow them selves up because, you have an opinion, well, buddy welcome to the world of grow up, masked dork, take yourself out to the world and get your ear to the ground and reveal the truth.. ten you can stand here in my realm and talk you babble , as you can see you neither you mason brotyhers can answer to any of these simple statments other than
, ah hes having a bad day..............
, yeah that will turn the crowd over , mask you got them now bro..... close that line...........




Dont try to kid me man cub, your desire is not for truth or eternal love, bro, its self directed ego laughter, hey mask your funnnnnnnyyyy bro



look im laughing with my bad day, ha ha


No sir your a misnomer. period


you've been smokin that $hit havnt you?

[edit on 8/8/04 by Khonsu]



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:37 PM
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All you masons have to read this rule and familiarize yourself with it.

"By using this message board, you agree to the following:

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate."


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
All you masons have to read this rule and familiarize yourself with it.

"By using this message board, you agree to the following:

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate."


www.abovetopsecret.com...


You do realize you just validated everything we've ever stated don't you? Being that this site and its contents are closely monitored by the administrators of this site if we were knowing posting false information as you claim, all of us (and there are many infantile friend) would have gotten kicked off this site. Yet this is not happend, in fact I don't even think any of us have even gotten a warning. Hence we are still here, still actively posting, while you trolls and cowans and cowards systematically get exiled.

I doubt you'll be around here much longer.

*begins to sharpen sword.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
All you masons have to read this rule and familiarize yourself with it.

"By using this message board, you agree to the following:

1.) You will not post any material that is knowingly false, misleading, or inaccurate."


www.abovetopsecret.com...


That is absolutely correct DP, however when we (the evil reptilians) quote your posts, you are responsible for that content, not us. We do however, appreciate your concern, we would never want to be sullied with stigma of your content, I would suggest hours and hours of research, followed by a field study of Freemasonry, correlated with in-depth personal interviews. If that doesn't work, just unplug your computer.



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by Mirthful Me

Originally posted by EternalLeaderof Truth
is straying from the swamped lands of insulting others to please his own worth.


And why I say this is as he is ripping into the Old Testament, go look for yourself, masked swamped thing.

But its cool, as you have many more thousand of hours than us new dorks right, and your cool bru
... not ... dude, I think that you and you self opinionated hog washing mask is just a shaded area so you can laugh at G-D and the rest of the world, and hide your face here between these pages of scared souls, too Mr Masky.........

So bro go to the desert take some payote get high find yourself bro, take offf the mask have a beer , nnnooooo not infront of the screen dude, go to the beach, mountains, you know get out , unchain yourself from you desk, put on some suntan lotion as you will get bruned this time of year for no coming out in the world for so long MASK.

Bro.. if you want I can recommend do truth pills , either the red, one hey the blue one might just help you land in atlantis, in a ufo, near a crapped dusted field
...

, ok, for red eyes dont smoke more reifer, or not sleep more, as this may help you get another 23408 points to you ATS bonus, yeah you win , your the man , MASK Mask, your my hero, bro, please can you tell me my fortune.....


Your my hero MASK.... NOT....

BAD day, imagine when I'm really piossed offf, wow, back up everyone mask has predictions, lets see masked kat tell G-D that he is misguided G-D forbid, and I joke only because mask you think the sun shines out your asss or something.....

Bro what do think your achieving by telling me that Im having a bad day...

Bad days, are when 9/11's happen because of fools masked like you do stupid stuff like blow them selves up because, you have an opinion, well, buddy welcome to the world of grow up, masked dork, take yourself out to the world and get your ear to the ground and reveal the truth.. ten you can stand here in my realm and talk you babble , as you can see you neither you mason brotyhers can answer to any of these simple statments other than
, ah hes having a bad day..............
, yeah that will turn the crowd over , mask you got them now bro..... close that line...........




Dont try to kid me man cub, your desire is not for truth or eternal love, bro, its self directed ego laughter, hey mask your funnnnnnnyyyy bro



look im laughing with my bad day, ha ha


No sir your a misnomer. period


At first I thought one of my simian brethren was doing the "old monkey banging on a typewriter routine", but upon closer inspection I have to say that it's not our work. Yes there have been passages of Shakespeare, and on a bad day, maybe even some Oscar Wilde, even Walt Whitman during our random typewriter flagellations. There was the one time back in the eighties when Magilla the Gorilla was channeling Jim Morrison, and the primate world was on its head every time he went near a Smith-Corona, or IBM. Nope this was definitely human, in a vague, undeveloped, shallow gene pool kind of way... it's a relief to have a sloping forehead at times like this.


Primates, not just for medical testing anymore...


Well you gave me a belly laugh whatever you just said fool
so um I gues that you both have nothing to add to this other than that you are both Fools fooling fools fooling afool like you


So um have fun being a simena dorkus fool bro nice crap being wriitten from your foolish fingers, oh I forgot to ask how you fools managed to find your portraits and put on such fancy clothes , well done fools fooling folleoen uh its the primate side coming thur fool, from you chaneels ing in fooloish thought bro



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:04 PM
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Dude......you have issues



posted on Aug, 8 2004 @ 11:47 PM
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Uh, I gotta tell ya, "truth", that you are making g-d look foolish with your gibberish. You should be looking for lightning bolts right about now.

But really, thanks for playing and providing the comic relief...

Now turn off the nice computer before your mommy or daddy finds out you have been playing with their equipment and being naughty...



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by EternalLeaderof Truth
fooling folleoen uh its the primate side coming thur fool, from you chaneels ing in fooloish thought bro



Ummm.... yeah.

So how about them Oaths and Masonry, eh?



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