2011-04-28 WikiLeak: 2005 Canadian Gov Cable Addressing NAU (NAI)

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Excellent response, Dimitri. It's amazing who showed up for this thread: kids who think the Globalist agenda is benign and NAI shills who don't understand what they're supporting/promoting.

I'm American and I'm terrified at what I'm seeing happening in the US.

This NAI, when fully implemented, will be an utter disaster for both Canadians & Americans. (Mexicans have always had an incredible mess to deal with in their country.)

You're bright enough to know that the only reason the Elite want to annex Canada is to exploit/ rape Canada of its natural resources.

They want to annex Mexico to exploit their cheap labor. An open border with Mexico will ensure cheap labor for all, because our economies will be devastated and Canadians & Americans will be working for peanuts to keep from starving to death. Either that or risk life & limb to fill the ranks of the military.

I have no doubt that the US economy has been collapsed intentionally, as well as the USD. I wonder if the scheme to adopt the Amero is also a way to stiff the Chinese -- since they hold the bulk of US debt.

Too bad the majority think this is all "conspiracy nonsense" -- they're in for a rude awakening.

Originally posted by roguetechie
reply to post by misfitofscience

 

An earth without borders would most definitely NOT be FREE!!

I wish people would do their due diligence and research who exactly funds things like open border movements!

Helpful hint: It's the people that benefit from depressing your wages and slowly but surely eroding away your benefits....


As far as the whole Canada NAU thing .... honestly once upon a time I could see how Canada would benefit from integrating with the US... But now Canada has jobs a strong currency and a vibrant economy!

The US, Um.... Well we have the market cornered on debt that couldn't be paid back if we spent every single dollar made in the US for the next two years from every single man woman child and business.

Beyond that we have a crumbling infrastructure, a rapacious defacto new aristocracy who will stop at nothing to accomplish whatever they set out to do, and a failing system that has slowly but surely replaced all the competent people in the public and private sector with those who can be bought and sold.

Canada would do well to Seal it's borders and tread carefully whenever dealing with it's poor, desperate, and VICIOUS neighbor to the south.... (sound familiar guys?) Canada should avoid any serious involvement with the US for the same reason the american public would not want the US to merge with Mexico.

Canada has NOTHING to GAIN and EVERYTHING TO LOSE in the next few years!
Speaking as an American I wish the Canadian Public the best of luck and hope SINCERELY that they will do their best to purge their governments of officials who wish to slowly but surely bind Canada to the falling star of the US government!

Very good. But the "aristocracy" is not new. It's been around for a long, long time -- plotting & manipulating all of us.

What a sad joke on the Americans who thought they would be safe in Canada.

I'm wondering about the timeline of the full implementation. The Globalists have been very patient & smart in doing this in increments. Nothing too sudden or dramatic that would alarm the sheeple.

But with the placement of Obama in the White House, it's obvious the speed of implementing the Globalist agenda has been accelerated.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


I was going to respond point-by-point to you again, but I see you continue to drift way off your initial claims, while continuing to ignore my very simple and specific questions in favor of emotional and sensational persnal attacks.

It's clear you think all American are the root of all evil. I'm sure when you get out and have some experiences outside of college you will understand there is more to life than simple black and white dichotomies.

If you really want to continue yr personal attacks against me for having citizenship in both the US and Canada, then feel free to send me a PM. I will likely not return to this thread anytime soon, as no one here has even attempted at having an informed conversation on the present facts.

Again, feel free to send me a PM if you want to continue the dialogue. I suspect when you realize I am indeed a fellow human you might drop the pretentious anti-american facade a bit.

Originally posted by AuranVector


This NAI, when fully implemented, will be an utter disaster for both Canadians & Americans. (Mexicans have always had an incredible mess to deal with in their country.)

Why? How? Many here keep making these claims yet no one can provide even the most rudimentary homework to back it up.

You're bright enough to know that the only reason the Elite want to annex Canada is to exploit/ rape Canada of its natural resources.

Can you show me what about the NAI, as presented here, would 'annex' Canada?

Of course there are multi-national efforts to consolidate power across the continent. But you are, IMO, conflating separate ideas by trying to bring diverse legislation under a vague "NWO" umbrella. That is typical, vague ATS shorthand for "i'm going to sound more informed by claiming everything I dont like is part of the NWO". Show your homework.

They want to annex Mexico to exploit their cheap labor. An open border with Mexico will ensure cheap labor for all, because our economies will be devastated and Canadians & Americans will be working for peanuts to keep from starving to death. Either that or risk life & limb to fill the ranks of the military.

Umm, hello? They already DO that. They dont need some secret "NAU to do that. Hell, they didnt even need NAFTA to do that. Its been going on for DECADES!!

It's like I'm having a conversation with a bunch of kids who JUST read some naomi kline for the first time.

I have no doubt that the US economy has been collapsed intentionally, as well as the USD. I wonder if the scheme to adopt the Amero is also a way to stiff the Chinese -- since they hold the bulk of US debt.

And if and when the dollar collapses, how do you think Canada will fare, since their economic future is inextricably linked to the dollar?

Too bad the majority think this is all "conspiracy nonsense" -- they're in for a rude awakening.

What makes it sound like 'conspiracy nonsense' is the vague conflation of disparate concepts all crammed under one banner.

Excellent!

Some very stellar posts and debate going on! I'm just enjoying sitting back and reading. I'm glad that most people have actually taken the time to read the entire cable, can decipher the diplomat speak and integrate it (pun intended) into their knowledge base and understanding, to form intelligent, responses.

Remember....this cable is from 2005. How much has changed since, in NA and the world? How much closer are we.......


Just to spice things up and throw something else in the mix, lets take a look at a poll from 29-04-2011 about the upcoming Canadian Federal Elections on Monday, May 02.


EKOS Politics

[Ottawa – April 29, 2011] – In what would have been unthinkable at the outset of this campaign, the Canadian political landscape is being profoundly reshaped in ways that are still unclear. What is clear is that Canadians are opting for dramatic change on May 2nd. The Conservatives remain stuck at 34.5 points, well short of the majority that they insisted was essential to ward off the adventure of an untested coalition. The NDP, who began the campaign at a scant 14 points, have now more than doubled their support and at 29.7% and are breathing down the necks of the stalled Conservative Party. The hapless Liberal Party, meanwhile, is in full collapse having achieved yet another historical nadir at 20.0%. A very soft Green Party is at 6.9% and is available for the picking. The Bloc Quebecois remains stuck at 26.2% in Quebec and will be dramatically humbled in the next Parliament.

Conservatives = Republicans (right-far right- corporatist)
Liberals = Democrats (center-left - corporatist)
NDP = ? (left-far left - democratic socialist)
Green = Green (green- far left anti corporate)
The Bloc = Separatist ( Cultural and territory focused - a French Texas or Alaska, if you will)


To me, this poll is showing that Canadians are very tired with the major 2 party system (i.e. Cons and Libs...Reps and Dems) and are saying FU Bilderbergs, corporations, old system, NAU, etc. This surprise surge from the NDP is unbelievable. Something thing crazy and historic may happen in Canada this Monday, that could be as blinsiding as the ME uprisings, without the violence.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

 

I was going to respond point-by-point to you again, but I see you continue to drift way off your initial claims, while continuing to ignore my very simple and specific questions in favor of emotional and sensational persnal attacks.

It's clear you think all American are the root of all evil. I'm sure when you get out and have some experiences outside of college you will understand there is more to life than simple black and white dichotomies.

If you really want to continue yr personal attacks against me for having citizenship in both the US and Canada, then feel free to send me a PM. I will likely not return to this thread anytime soon, as no one here has even attempted at having an informed conversation on the present facts.

Again, feel free to send me a PM if you want to continue the dialogue. I suspect when you realize I am indeed a fellow human you might drop the pretentious anti-american facade a bit.

Well that's surprising. Unable to properly debate me, you've posted complete garbage with nothing relevant to say. Interesting how you claim I am engaging in personal attacks on you, yet the only person carrying out personal attacks here is you.

And why should I take this to PM? You think I am a coward? I'm not afraid to defend myself or my country in public, but you seem to want to take your unwinnable arguments to somewhere unseen by everyone else.

I want everybody to take notice: This guy and his posts are the typical response of imperialist-thinking people; relics of the past that care not for progress, but rather support the intensification of class struggle and disparity of his people. Instead of engaging in reasonable discussion, he accuses me of doing all the things that he is doing.

People like these hold the cards in today's world, but ultimately, they are morally bankrupt and can be beaten through decisive language, facts and soulful dialogue. When the time comes, fight not with guns but with words; the imperialists will have nothing but money to hide behind.

And yes, the NAI/NAU is all about class disparity; the only people who will benefit are the super-rich while the workers continue to live on sustenence wages while under the fear of communists/terrorists/themselves. Anyone who supports this is either rich or insane.

Originally posted by Connector
Excellent!

Some very stellar posts and debate going on! I'm just enjoying sitting back and reading. I'm glad that most people have actually taken the time to read the entire cable, can decipher the diplomat speak and integrate it (pun intended) into their knowledge base and understanding, to form intelligent, responses.

Remember....this cable is from 2005. How much has changed since, in NA and the world? How much closer are we.......


Just to spice things up and throw something else in the mix, lets take a look at a poll from 29-04-2011 about the upcoming Canadian Federal Elections on Monday, May 02.


EKOS Politics

[Ottawa – April 29, 2011] – In what would have been unthinkable at the outset of this campaign, the Canadian political landscape is being profoundly reshaped in ways that are still unclear. What is clear is that Canadians are opting for dramatic change on May 2nd. The Conservatives remain stuck at 34.5 points, well short of the majority that they insisted was essential to ward off the adventure of an untested coalition. The NDP, who began the campaign at a scant 14 points, have now more than doubled their support and at 29.7% and are breathing down the necks of the stalled Conservative Party. The hapless Liberal Party, meanwhile, is in full collapse having achieved yet another historical nadir at 20.0%. A very soft Green Party is at 6.9% and is available for the picking. The Bloc Quebecois remains stuck at 26.2% in Quebec and will be dramatically humbled in the next Parliament.

Conservatives = Republicans (right-far right- corporatist)
Liberals = Democrats (center-left - corporatist)
NDP = ? (left-far left - democratic socialist)
Green = Green (green- far left anti corporate)
The Bloc = Separatist ( Cultural and territory focused - a French Texas or Alaska, if you will)


To me, this poll is showing that Canadians are very tired with the major 2 party system (i.e. Cons and Libs...Reps and Dems) and are saying FU Bilderbergs, corporations, old system, NAU, etc. This surprise surge from the NDP is unbelievable. Something thing crazy and historic may happen in Canada this Monday, that could be as blinsiding as the ME uprisings, without the violence.

edit on 30-4-2011 by Connector because: (no reason given)

Thank you for the OP -- the msg from the Ottawa Embassy makes it crystal clear that the NAI/NAU is not a hallucination from conspiracy nuts. It spells out their plan for taking over by increments & how to sell this to the public. It is so shocking. This msg from Wikileaks needs widest dissemination. People need to know what is being done to them.

We are so much closer to the NAU/NAI than we were in 2005. So much has happened in the last six years to collapse the US economy & USD and place the majority of Americans in a state of increasing desperation.

I had been hoping that the NAU had been stalled. Not a chance. It's more real now than ever. I have wanted to start a thread on Communitarianism -- the "new" brand of totalitarianism for the NWO. It's very real and I ran across an article on it that all Americans (and Canadians too) need to be aware of. I need to get my info lined up.

This ties in directly with the implementation of the NAI/NAU.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi

Well that's surprising. Unable to properly debate me, you've posted complete garbage with nothing relevant to say. Interesting how you claim I am engaging in personal attacks on you, yet the only person carrying out personal attacks here is you.

And why should I take this to PM? You think I am a coward? I'm not afraid to defend myself or my country in public, but you seem to want to take your unwinnable arguments to somewhere unseen by everyone else.

I want everybody to take notice: This guy and his posts are the typical response of imperialist-thinking people; relics of the past that care not for progress, but rather support the intensification of class struggle and disparity of his people. Instead of engaging in reasonable discussion, he accuses me of doing all the things that he is doing.

People like these hold the cards in today's world, but ultimately, they are morally bankrupt and can be beaten through decisive language, facts and soulful dialogue. When the time comes, fight not with guns but with words; the imperialists will have nothing but money to hide behind.

And yes, the NAI/NAU is all about class disparity; the only people who will benefit are the super-rich while the workers continue to live on sustenence wages while under the fear of communists/terrorists/themselves. Anyone who supports this is either rich or insane.

Well-said, Dimitri. Some people apparently did not understand the Ottawa Embassy msg.

Originally posted by Redwookieaz
You one world government folks have this all wrong. It is absolutely a terrible idea! We've been brainwashed into looking at our governments in the opposite direction they were intended to be in the pecking order.

The individual is supposed to have the most power followed by a city government, then the state, and at the very bottom, the federral government. Think about it.

The people who would be at the top of a world government would have more in common with one another than with any of us peons at the bottom. What laws and customs that may work for a small village in China for example would have very little in common with the social structure and needs of a city in the midwest United States.

These supra governments would benefit the so called elites only, giving them a more efficient method to consolidate and execute their self serving goals.

You folks need to think these things through and realize we are meant to be at the top of the power triangle, not the bottom.

edit on 29-4-2011 by Redwookieaz because: (no reason given)

I just noticed something on ats.


if somebody doesn't agree with you they have to be brain washed.

Why is that?

reply to post by AuranVector


No problem man.....when I came across this, it BLEW my mind. I couldn't believe what I was reading, right there in black and white, from top Canadian government sources. We've all known this, but haven't had verified, concrete evidence.....and it suddenly materialized in front of me. This isn't "secret pics of the Amero coin" crap, this is the real deal. It's a true smoking gun.

I'm surprised more posters aren't as interested or care as much. I guess they've resigned to the inevitable.

Pls pass the link along

Originally posted by Connector
reply to post by AuranVector

 

No problem man.....when I came across this, it BLEW my mind. I couldn't believe what I was reading, right there in black and white, from top Canadian government sources. We've all known this, but haven't had verified, concrete evidence.....and it suddenly materialized in front of me. This isn't "secret pics of the Amero coin" crap, this is the real deal. It's a true smoking gun.

I'm surprised more posters aren't as interested or care as much. I guess they've resigned to the inevitable.

Pls pass the link along

edit on 1-5-2011 by Connector because: (no reason given)

Most definitely I will pass the link along. I think your title did not get people's attention -- not easy to do in any case. Lots of competition.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

If you knew anything about your country's economy.you would know that Canada has a long history of essentially giving away their natural resources (wood, water, fuel) to the US. The US doesn't need a "NAU" to do this. Canada does so freely. Hell, raw wood gets sent to the states to be milled, then shipped BACK to Canada to be old at Home Depot.

Let's see how happy they are to give away resources when the U.S. dollar crashes.

Canada is currently diversifying AWAY from the U.S., expanding trade with China and other European countries, they don't need the U.S. and for there sake I hope they wake up to this.

Their money is worth more than the American dollar right now anyways

And for those who think this would be good, please read the Link!

9. (SBU) There is little basis on which to estimate the size of the "upside" gains from an integration initiative concentrating on non-tariff barriers of the kind contained in NAI. For this reason, we cannot make claims about how large the benefits might be on a national or continental scale. When advocating NAI, it would be better to highlight specific gains to individual firms, industries or travelers, and especially consumers.

Even they admit there is not a lot of upside to any nation or the continent as a whole!!!!

reply to post by Connector


I don't know why you would use an old news post when the elections are over. Conservatives won a majority government. The liberals were basically defeated and barley hold any seats in Canada. The Bloc were also defeated and almost are non-existent (they only hold 4 seats).

Its a Conservative majority Government now with an NDP being second.
The Conservatives and NDP run the show now

And the Conservatives aren't far right, there centre right

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


You have no idea how different we are....
Canada: Free healthcare, Non-Restriction of Food for the needy/poor due to our government making us citizens pay for food-staps so other people can eat, We donate 90% of the food in foodbanks(Not that our government dosent help but they understand that there are enough people willing to donate so they dont have to spend money), We have ALOT better schooling, we have alot better Socialization, and if USA and Canada join we would be the same people in the eyes of others...why would canada a usualy peacefull country join something that has (IN THE PAST) been known for being just as brutal as the tyrants of the past other than they have a Governmential Greed they had a Selfish greed.

Originally posted by Solsthime331
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

You have no idea how different we are

Why wouldn't i have any idea?

Canada: Free healthcare, Non-Restriction of Food for the needy/poor due to our government making us citizens pay for food-staps so other people can eat, We donate 90% of the food in foodbanks(Not that our government dosent help but they understand that there are enough people willing to donate so they dont have to spend money), We have ALOT better schooling, we have alot better Socialization, and if USA and Canada join we would be the same people in the eyes of others...why would canada a usualy peacefull country join something that has (IN THE PAST) been known for being just as brutal as the tyrants of the past other than they have a Governmential Greed they had a Selfish greed.

Yes, you have health care. Although, no, it is not 'free'. Youal py for it, and the time is coming soon when the state will no longer be able to afford to pay for it wihtout massive tax hikes like the HST that most are clamouring against.

The rest of those examples are baseless. You really think people are starving in the streets in the US? AS far as Canada being a 'peaceful country', tell that to the Troops in Afghanistan, tell that to the First Nations folks who were ripped from the families just 30 years ago and placed in state schools. Instead of merely comparing yourself to the worst examples of America, why not admit to your country's own failings? I know why. Because making the US the 'other' is how Canadians avoid looking at their own flaws.

Non of those are significant differences. I have lived extensively in both countries. The only Canadians I know who think there is a vast difference in American and Canadian Society are Canadians who have not spent much time in the states. I've spent more than a decade in both. I feel that gives me pretty good perspective.

Originally posted by Skerrako
And for those who think this would be good, please read the Link!

9. (SBU) There is little basis on which to estimate the size of the "upside" gains from an integration initiative concentrating on non-tariff barriers of the kind contained in NAI. For this reason, we cannot make claims about how large the benefits might be on a national or continental scale. When advocating NAI, it would be better to highlight specific gains to individual firms, industries or travelers, and especially consumers.

Even they admit there is not a lot of upside to any nation or the continent as a whole!!!!

You men the part where it says it would benefit "individual firms, industries or travelers, and especially consumers"

That sounds like a lot of people.

Do you know the difference in prices of real goods int he US vs Canada? DO you know why TONS of Canadians go to the States to buy gas and do major shopping?

Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

If you knew anything about your country's economy.you would know that Canada has a long history of essentially giving away their natural resources (wood, water, fuel) to the US. The US doesn't need a "NAU" to do this. Canada does so freely. Hell, raw wood gets sent to the states to be milled, then shipped BACK to Canada to be old at Home Depot.

Let's see how happy they are to give away resources when the U.S. dollar crashes.

If the dollar crashes, the loony crashes. Canadian exporters are already hurting at the relative rise in the loony compared tot he dollar.

Canada is currently diversifying AWAY from the U.S., expanding trade with China and other European countries, they don't need the U.S. and for there sake I hope they wake up to this.

That's a misnomer. Canadian exporters wouldnt be able to sell to China if the US collapses, because China would collapse, too! And when one considers the significant amount of resources it requires to hip products to asia, vs the US, one can see increased costs.

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Their money is worth more than the American dollar right now anyways

Indeed, and it has been since about 2008. Of course the buying power of their dollar is still relatively low, which is why Canadians still pay more for the same goods in Canada than Americans do in the States.

Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


Well that's surprising. Unable to properly debate me, you've posted complete garbage with nothing relevant to say. Interesting how you claim I am engaging in personal attacks on you, yet the only person carrying out personal attacks here is you.

I did debate you, point for point. Go back and read it.

I gave up when you descended into personal attacks and blind, inaccurate assumptions.I offered references links, facts, and statistics. You called me names. You offered no debate and continue to avoid any substance.

Originally posted by AuranVector


This NAI, when fully implemented, will be an utter disaster for both Canadians & Americans. (Mexicans have always had an incredible mess to deal with in their country.)

People keep saying that. But not one person has been able to explain why or how.

the Elite want to annex Canada is to exploit/ rape Canada of its natural resources.

Why would they need a NAI for that? Canada has been giving away her natural resources for over a century. Did you know most the wood at a Home Depot in Canada is Canadian wood that has been shipped to the US for processing, then shipped back to Canada for sale? Do you know why that is? Because Canada, in the early 20th century decided it would be easier to allow the US to develop more lumber mills. They needed no "NAU" fr that, nor NAFTA>

They want to annex Mexico to exploit their cheap labor. An open border with Mexico will ensure cheap labor for all, because our economies will be devastated and Canadians & Americans will be working for peanuts to keep from starving to death. Either that or risk life & limb to fill the ranks of the military.

Again, you are describing a scenario that ALREADY EXISTS and has for DECADES!. Why would they need a "NAU' to implement a scenario they already have in place?