Obama is now the victim, good job birthers...

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by backinblack

 

Which they wouldn't have needed to do if not for idiotic birthers.

Funny how the very same people that whine about the race card are the ones that pull it out on their own with their actions.

Aww, so you need the race card too ??
Is there no other option to defend Obama on??
I guess not...

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by TETRA.X

 

Calling Obama a victim is going too far. The citizens of the U.S. are victims. Race card? Really? Can we not judge the man based on his actions alone without going there?

Thats the issue, harping on his birth certificate is not judging him by his actions. It is based on fear of another ethnicity, irrational.

I hope he continues to use it to expose the far right fringe that will ensure his re-election in 2012.

They may think him dumb, but he is briiliant in his tactics. Don't underestimate yoiur opponents. It is a fatal flaw to the birther movement.

Actually, wanting answers to the questions IS questioning his actions. It is his own actions/lack of action which have led to the suspicions which have arisen. The way he has stonewalled the questions and the way every legal attempt to get the question answered are ACTIONS which MUST be scrutinised and evaluated.

People suspect he and his puppeteers may have lied in order for him to become President. These are ACTIONS and it's absolutely vital that they be questioned and answered in a manner which leaves absolutely no doubt.



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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by violence=answer
i would not care had the "man" been as Aryan as possible... Asian, or even Kentucky born american... HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IN AND SHOULD BE OUT!

RACE IS NOT THE ISSUE!
we should just have more than enough on him, his policies, his word, HIS WIFE, etc., to kick deport him.

As if, everytime one of us is able to hit back on facts you revert to the failsafes of "He's a muslim/socialist/marxist" so do not dare tell me this has nothing to do with race.

Who is the misinformation/disinformation agent here?

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE.
RACE IS A EXCUSE NOW.
GET OVER YOURSELF.
we have WAY more info on him than what you just listed.
hell without that stuff we should still have more than enough to get him out.




as if i would be lucky enough to get paid to lie to you people... on a website... i so wish.

reply to post by wcitizen

Actually, wanting answers to the questions IS questioning his actions. It is his own actions/lack of action which have led to the suspicions which have arisen

And so it also brings into question the actions of the past 40-something presidents, all of whom did not release their birth certificates.

Ah, but their actions are not suspicious to ones who shares their skin color. This is the base, the root. If Pres. Obama has to account for his actions, these former presidents and any with aspirations for office should be held to the same standard.

Originally posted by ErEhWoN
reply to post by wcitizen

 

Actually, wanting answers to the questions IS questioning his actions. It is his own actions/lack of action which have led to the suspicions which have arisen

And so it also brings into question the actions of the past 40-something presidents, all of whom did not release their birth certificates.

Ah, but their actions are not suspicious to ones who shares their skin color. This is the base, the root. If Pres. Obama has to account for his actions, these former presidents and any with aspirations for office should be held to the same standard.

In order to play the facile race card, you have to be able to prove that NO black people are asking for his birth certificate to be verified. Can you do that?

You also have to prove that none of the other Presidents' eligibility was scrutinised before they launched their Presidential campaign. Are you able to do that?

If not, trying to whine and whimper that it's racist is utterly pathetic.

reply to post by wcitizen

You also have to prove that none of the other Presidents' eligibility was scrutinised before they launched their Presidential campaign. Are you able to do that?

All Presidential candidates eligibility for office is scrutinized. Do you think any Republican party candidate would not have jummped at this if it even had the slightest hint of legitimacy? Is Faux news incompetent, or complicit?

In order to play the facile race card, you have to be able to prove that NO black people are asking for his birth certificate to be verified. Can you do that?

I do not have to prove anything. There are ignorant (and racist) African Americans too. But if we were to look at the faces of those behind the birther movement, they would be 95 percent white, just like the Repblican party convention. Or the makeup of the teabaggers.

You are right, it is utterly pathetic that people deny they are racist. Some don't even know, for them, ignorance is bliss. But I have more respect for someone that airs their views proudly, beleive in who you are. Do not hide behind the cowardice of the birther movement. Recognized and admit to who and what you are. Only then can we move forward.

Racism is like masterbation, done best alone in the shadows. for in the light you will be ridiculed.

Reply to ErEhWoN




To accuse everyone who questions the birth as racist is simply to expose that you have no better argument to fall back on.

I'm afraid you do have to show that ALL birthers are white if you are to make the accusation of racism against them.

Personally, I believe that your accusation of racism is in itself a racist statememtn.

Originally posted by wcitizen

I'm afraid you do have to show that ALL birthers are white if you are to make the accusation of racism against them.

The problem with this argument is that you can have non-whites who are racist to others. Besides, having non whites in a group does not mean some of it's members are not racists.

Sure you might be able to say that it's not a racist organization with non white members, but that doesn't mean it's not a organization of racists. It just means the goals of the organization are not racist. It's very possible that the reason why they goals were chosen and pursued were initially due to racism.

Originally posted by Kaploink

Originally posted by wcitizen

I'm afraid you do have to show that ALL birthers are white if you are to make the accusation of racism against them.

The problem with this argument is that you can have non-whites who are racist to others. Besides, having non whites in a group does not mean some of it's members are not racists.

Sure you might be able to say that it's not a racist organization with non white members, but that doesn't mean it's not a organization of racists. It just means the goals of the organization are not racist. It's very possible that the reason why they goals were chosen and pursued were initially due to racism.

edit on 17-5-2011 by Kaploink because: (no reason given)

The implication that those who are questioning the birth certificate of Obama are racist, is that they are only questioning it because he is black. In order for this criticism to be valid, it would have to be shown that only white people are questioning his birth certificate.

I agree that there may be some racism in the motives of some white people who are questioning his bc, but to extrapolate that to say that all those who question the bc are racist is a stupid and unsustainable argument, and is actually racist in itself.....the implication being that if you are questioning the bc you are white and you you are racist.

I am well aware what racism means. My response is specifically in reply to the spurious accusation that all those who question the bc are racists.

Originally posted by wcitizen
I agree that there may be some racism in the motives of some white people who are questioning his bc, but to extrapolate that to say that all those who question the bc are racist is a stupid and unsustainable argument

I agree that to claim that all birthers are racist is not tenable. But let me run this statement by you to see if you agree: not all birthers are racist, but if you’re racist you’re most likely a birther.

and is actually racist in itself...

I don‘t see why it would be racist to conclude that. Why isn’t it just an erroneous conclusion? Why does it have to be wrong and racist?

Originally posted by aptness

Originally posted by wcitizen
I agree that there may be some racism in the motives of some white people who are questioning his bc, but to extrapolate that to say that all those who question the bc are racist is a stupid and unsustainable argument

I agree that to claim that all birthers are racist is not tenable. But let me run this statement by you to see if you agree: not all birthers are racist, but if you’re racist you’re most likely a birther.

That is completely irrelevant to the point being discussed.

and is actually racist in itself...

I don‘t see why it would be racist to conclude that. Why isn’t it just an erroneous conclusion? Why does it have to be wrong and racist?

Because it labels all white birthers as racist, simply because they are white.