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Opinions needed about demonic forces regarding my son who is only 7.

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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 08:22 PM
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Please approach a Tibetan Buddhist monk (a good one) in your area if possible. Their unique spiritual training allows them to treat such issues with ease. And their service is free, especially when it comes to life threatening situations.

A skilled monk will know right away if your son is being troubled mentally or spiritually by simply looking at him.

In the meantime, your son needs to have a strong mind. It is usually a weak and fearful mind that allows external forces to influence or even possess oneself. A strong mind is one that is calm, happy and mindful.




posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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First off you should go talk to a catholic priest in your area! Talk to him and let him know what is happening. Also see if you can get some holy water from the catholic church. That is the best advice I can give.




You can contact these people Paranormal research society

The Person you want to get ahold of is Ryan Buell or chip coffey.
Chip Coffey, psychic, medium and spiritual councilor



Hope this helps in any way!
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Stand in the room with your son and say out loud in a firm voice "spirits and demons leave my son and my family and my house right now, you are no longer welcome here, the power of the lord and Jesus Christ is with us and you cannot and will not continue to haunt my family, my house and my son. You are not welcome. Leave now.

Tell them that they are no longer allowed in your life or your families life. Please try this. And tell you son to say the same thing.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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This thread interests me because I personally suffer from a somewhat similar situation. I also believe in demons/entities/ghosts both benevolent and malevolent, however I don't believe they are related to your son,s situation. I have done extensive research and been involved with paranormal studies for a large portion of my life and I don't believe anything of that nature is affecting him off of what you described.

Since last year i've been having a lot of strange medical things happening to myself, mainly the entire left side of my body going numb on numerous occasions. Losing feeling in the left side of my face, my left arm and left leg. The left side of my mouth getting droopy and not being able to bend my wrist. On the first occasion I went to the ER and they thought I was having a stroke, I was hospitalized for a week and they ran multiple EKGs, CT scans, MRIs and MRAs on my head and neck, they tested for diabetes, lyme's disease, Bell's Palsy and other viruses. Pretty much all the things your son was tested for and everything came up normal. They basically ruled out everything including stroke. I was seen by dozens of neurologists, they even had an entire case study with medical students on my particular situation because it was so unusal. Anyway they all believe they are just extreme and unusual symptons or pretenses of a migraine. It took me a while to accept that because the situations were so extreme and i've never heard or seen that happen to anybody before and they seemed to be puzzled as well. But they said it is possible for migraines to cause all types of crazy symptoms very much like the ones i've had.

Since then it has happened a few more times but I've begun to figure out certain personal triggers of them and have been able to cut them out almost completely. I do believe your son is just having very unusual and extreme symptoms of migraines much like myself. You should definitely see more neurologists for their opinions and takes on it, don't expect to be 100% satisfied with their findings or thoughts though. There is preventative medication you can be put on to stop the symptoms before they even occur, that may be something worth looking into.

I hope I was of some help, just wanted to let you know that migraines can cause a lot of crazy things to happen to the body.
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Try placing a cross behind his head when he starts acting up, get holy water. Go to shadowlands, they sell these items. Contact Chip Coffey he can help, great guy.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Your brain is a chemistry set filled with electrical wiring. Mix the chemicals in the wrong proportions or miswire the grid, and you have problems. Modern psycho-pharmaceuticals are guesswork at best - like trying to mix a perfect batch of pudding using a garden house. The drugs work with side-effects or do the opposite of what they are supposed to do in some. The point is that your personality and your whole perception of the world is based in your brain. Your brain is a biochemical machine. You can fix minor problems with psychosomatic placebos like religion but serious problems can't be dealt with effectively with optimistic and childish delusions like God and the Devil. If you want to help your kids, you need to stop looking at the world with a child's eyes. It's hypocritical to embrace and utilize scientific innovations like the internet and technology but still cling to santa clause, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, and God. If you were in Japan in March and saw a giant flood wave about to wipe you out, would you run to high ground or pray for God to save you? You would run because no matter how many irrational thoughts dominate your mind on a Sunday morning, your animal brain still has rational instincts that take over when they are needed. Choose not to be a "religious nut" and get professional help from the medical field.

There's no god. There's no devil. Deal with it and grow up.
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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My point was mundane help may be sent her way, don't reject it while waiting for something else to happen.

Even if she's broke, mundane help can still come and the mudane help can be divine intervention.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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I like how logical possible solutions to this ATSrs problems are ignored outright and the most outrageous are given a spirited debate.

My previous post for instance: www.abovetopsecret.com...

backed up with citations no less.

Give this unfortunate person a little less of your crazy and try and be a bit more critical in your thinking.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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The lights and auras you describe are common with migraines and often migraines involve no pain at all. I get painless migraines myself and worried myself sick about them until I went to a competent person who found the problem. Your child would describe light area's interfering with his vision and what looks like a pattern of sort's interfering with his vision. I thought I had a brain tumor or something and was glad to find out it was just migraines.

The cause of the migraines are often never found and I still don't know what causes mine.

Hearing voices is a sign of Schizophrenia.

ATS is the exact wrong place to bring a medical issue as the advice you will get here will likely do more harm than good. Take that kid to a qualified person to ask these questions.


Yes I've read about these lights and interference with vision resulting from migraines. I would talk to MD who specializes in migraines. what if it was a tumor or something.
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Here is a link to the Pfeiffer Inst. They work with ADHD patients and others, work with nutition in a wholistic way.
www.hriptc.org...



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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I have a 7 year old daughter and she is gifted with seeing and hearing spirits. Very rarely does she feel bothered by something, but when she does, we smudge with cedar and sage. I burn sage often throughout my house just to cleanse the energies, because I tend to be sensitive as well. You can try using some frankincense and myrrh in the house and see if that helps. Burn white candles. And in your religion use some imagery (icon) in his room for protection.

Other than this, just to cover all your bases, have him evaluated if you feel that nothing helps.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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Seriously, ignore the idiots. Any time someone posts a thread about their child on here, they crawl out of the woodwork with their cps comments. Just ignore it. Take what advice that appeals to you. I hope things get better.

I don't know what I believe about "demons" but I believe that there are darker negative energies that manifest in different ways. I've seen things and experienced things coming in my house.

One other thing I forgot to ask you is, are you recently doing any renovation work or construction? Are your neighbors? I remember one time, I was living next door to an apt building and when they began doing some heavy renovation work, all kinds of things started up.
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:41 PM
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I would suggest getting ahold of George N. of coast to coast am you can emile lex his web person. George knows many a people who could help you get rid of this or these things and he delights in helping people.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
There are times I have suicidal thoughts. I have never acted on them, and what is weird is they are sort of random, and not set off by any stress trigger like losing a job or getting bad health news or being arrested or anything like that.

most of the time its just simply, " I want to kill myself", in a calm voice.

sometimes it's almost random, like I'm driving and I see a big lightpost and I think to myself, " I want to kill myself with a lightpost"

I have to say there are times I wonder if that is a demon whispering in my ear

I told my wife, and she has the genuine faith of a child. she tells me when that happens to tell the demon, " I have god in me and you can't have me"

you know what ? it works



Yah, that sounds like stray thoughts from the astral plane and I think your wife's advice is good.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by wayouttheredude
I like how logical possible solutions to this ATSrs problems are ignored outright and the most outrageous are given a spirited debate.

My previous post for instance: www.abovetopsecret.com...

backed up with citations no less.

Give this unfortunate person a little less of your crazy and try and be a bit more critical in your thinking.


Its a shame, especially after someone of faith (a clergymen) even advised against gong this route and continue building a medical case. Theres been some really good advice here and its been barely responded to. However the ones who are rude and offer no advice receive a reply. And yes, so many odd solutions given without any basis, are given a warm chat.
It appears from outside the box, the OP is wanting for this to be paranormal. Yeah i know the inclination of that is negative, but, its what i see. I have come on here and shared my experience with diagnostic medicine and that yes, it makes you want to give up. Its one of the most frustrating, infuriating, patience testing time of my life but i got through it and we found the answer.
Funny thing was it was genetics (stupid mitochondria are the culprits, MELAS is the disorder) all along and is fairly rare and not something people would look at when diagnosing symptoms that can be found in dozens of other potential more likely illnesses. The disorder shows many symptoms over the entire life time only quickening and doing more severe things in late adult life, which happened to my mother when she went deaf. One doctor had it click, after reading an article and was able to link this diagnosis. Granted its not cured but its found and other illnesses she doesnt have dont need to be needlessly treated.
Yes its a ramble but its an example of what happens in diagnostic medicine with new or rare disorders which get discovered. I didnt give up, me and my mother built a medical case and seen many doctors and specialists until that one doctor came by. Even after 10 specialists, theres always an 11th that has a different idea.
An argument arises about how many tests people, especially children should be subjected to, and how it doesnt do them any good, its better off relying on prayer etc. Well, thing is, some illnesses can be time sensitive.

Please dont get offended at this OP, im genuinely concerned for your situation and can relate to it. It doesnt hurt to just pray while you actively search out specialists with new ideas. Educate yourself along the way and learn about your sons health, because the more you know the less fear and anxiety you have with his symptoms. Its helped me greatly with those problems and im confident i know enough to know a fair bit about how to handle my mothers condition. Im in control of my situation now, its time you were too.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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I've read through several pages of responses and would definitely support SedonaMystic's advice. I've also read your post several times, and some of the follow-ups, not sure I got them all.

As conditions have not gone away, it would be useful to maintain an active diary of what you are observing with your son. Note times of day, environmental issues (lighting, weather), activities, etc. The more detail the better. This is relevant whether it is is medically related or not. An ongoing record is the #1 tool that can help with that, whether rooted in a medical condition or not. This is the #1 most important thing to help establish trends, and to help you be more aware of things that might otherwise go unnoticed.

As you are asking for input from someone with experience on the occult side of things, I'll offer what I can based upon what you've related so far.

From your posts:

1. You've been to several doctors, have tried to factor in all possibilities to reach a root cause without result so far...
2. Your son's father (and his mother) had involvement in the occult at some point -- does have the potential to be passed along "genetically".
3. You've stated that your son is exceptionally sensitive - and that is important in several contexts.
4. You've related that he's seeing things (lights, shadow, etc.), on occasion talking to things.
5. You've sensed an "aura" about him - which I would interpret as a superimposed change of facial features and possibly color of skin.

There's more, but we can go with this. If the doctor's aren't finding anything, there's some basis to question the other side of the equation.

I've studied, trained in and practiced the occult for about 25 years. I've kept a journal of oddities for most of that period. I would say I'm retired now, but some things just don't go away. Some will call me crazy, other's satanic, don't much care. I've got a pretty good sense of humor while also taking it seriously. One of my primary interests was and to some extent still is the "classification of discarnate entities", but not exorcisms or possessions, per se.

Based upon what you have related, but without a record, my recommendation on the "psychic" side of the equation is to stick with things that might help while causing no harm (1 - 5). #6 and 7 are more touchy

As you prefer ---

1. When you see the aura, **mentally** (not verbally) talk to it in a commanding tone that it is not welcome in your home or near your child, that it has no permission to be in or near your home or child, that it would do well to leave - while envisioning yourself as a sword of bright light. Add any prayer or commands from the Bible as you see fit to which you feel strongly and personally attached. Emphasis is you are talking to it, you are not allowing it to talk back... mentally or in any other way.

I'm not certain that things come back three fold if you are not successful in personally persuading/forcing an entity to leave. I've not experienced this - though there have been things I have not been able to banish; they have not manifested any stronger than before. Will note more below. If you feel that you are not strong enough - well, you are both right and wrong - you are strong enough until you believe that you are not. In that case, you can either prove to yourself that you are strong enough or start with #5 - in requesting the aid of something you honestly believe is strong enough. Then ... you will be strong enough, even though you already were - for this specific situation.

2. Establish a basic routine for you and your son to go through each night - whether a prayer, uplifting bedtime story, or just talking about his likes, dislikes and what he thinks about something. Again keep your record for anything odd that may come up. Might ask the same questions a few nights later to see if it changes. Also, consideration may be given to when you sense the "aura" to try to create a totally different positive setting, "I was thinking about what we talked about the other night, about how you said you liked.... can you tell me more about what you like about it?" See if there's an unusual variation to his response.

3. It can help to have a nightlight in the room - again noting whether this has a positive or negative effect. Electricity makes it more difficult for something to manifest from the astral. There is good basis for children wanting the lights on at night. For some adults, too.

4. Fashion a gift for your son - something he likes - maybe a superhero action figure... teddy bears back in my day, something to take on the role of a psychic ward/guardian. Won't hurt if you can get it blessed by a priest. Put some of your own mental energy into it - light, life, love and liberty - and a bit protection too.

5. Prior to sleep, concentrate on reaching out to a religious/spiritual figure you believe in - Christ, an Angel, etc. to help remove the presence from your child and home. Ask directly for help and protection. Whether you can consciously astral travel or not, your mind/spirit will act upon the instructions you give it and given the leeway to do so, can be extraordinarily effective. If you pray, this should be done in addition to prayer.

6. Examine if there is anything meaningful to your son that was at some point meaningful to his father. If so, remove them (all) from your household if at all possible (i.e. possible to have connection to his father's previous practices?). See if this helps or worsens matters. It could do either, but for completely different reasons. If the child is attached to an item that does not worsen things, no harm in letting him keep it... just a matter of isolating whether there is a specific item involved. Otherwise, just keeping something from your son that belonged to his father at some point that he cares about can generate a negative result independent from anything else.

7. A lot more touchy, but talking with your son about what he is seeing and feeling can be useful. This depends heavily upon your own state of mind though and whether or not you desire to validate or invalidate what he is/might be experiencing. That is not easy and either way comes with the strongest of caveats especially to not be angry with him, but simply to listen and assess... I think probably from a very neutral perspective. This can get into belief systems which do not always allow for acknowledging things like this. The main point, from my perspective is that it gets you away from guessing about what he is seeing to getting his first hand account... which ties directly into the journal.

As you noted that your son is very sensitive - picks up on other's emotions, this is probably not going to be easy for either of you - perhaps ever. It may take him a while to understand the difference between his own feelings and what others are feeling. Invalidating his feelings, even if they are someone else's - is, imo, the court of last resort. If he is overwhelmed as an empath, it will be up to you to help him sort things through and to understand why he feels what he feels even though there is no "rational" explanation for it. If you go by the Bible, I believe in Romans and I Corinthians there are lists of "gifts of the spirit", and some others scattered about. Being an empath lends itself to a mercy that others might find difficult to give.

Even the Chief Exorcist of the Roman Catholic Church has noted that it can take him many attempts to exorcise a possessed person.... presuming he is exorcising a possessed person. Even to the extent of my own involvement, I'm pretty skeptical about many (not all) possessions. I've had some experience but I see obsessions much more frequently resulting in changes in personality, extreme irritability, etc.

The vast majority of entities that would attempt a possession or attachment to a person are generally of a pretty weak nature. No harm in calling them demons - which even by Christian/Biblical/even Judaic/Kabalistic references are weak... until they have a name AND demonstrate characteristics corresponding to that name. That spirits lie frequently asserts they've had a past life as a politician...

The uncertainty for you and your son's situation I can imagine is nervewracking. Keeping a record of your observations is the #1 thing I'd recommend. It may be a medical issue, it might be psychological, but as you've stated - you want the perspective of someone on the occult side. So, there's some basic things to try that should not cause any harm - and a couple things to consider. If it is an entity, I think it is within your ability to deal with simply by virtue that your son has been able to resist it a good portion of the time on his own.

I can understand your reluctance to attempt anything on your own, but that does not diminish your ability to seek help from things you believe in. I'm not a prayer and candles-type of person in the least, if you "earnestly" ask for help it will come - maybe not in the form you expect but it will come. There'll be plenty of people to ridicule this... which is cool. The one thing I've learned if nothing else is that Ignorance really is Bliss. The ability to see things in one way simplifies our options. Once options are introduced, it becomes more difficult to make a decision in the absence of someone to tell us what to think and do.

Finally, one last word is to strive to be as happy as you can be in all that you do. Things can always be worse. In Iraq, I remember our bathroom trailer getting hit by a mortarshell. We were all pretty darned happy they didn't hit our babywipes. That is to say, that the more you are able to laugh and be happy demonstrates directly that whatever this thing is, it does not have power over you.

That's my book for the night.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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I have 3 boys, and my youngest is just a year older than yours, I sympathise and wish you luck in finding the solution to your problem. I myself have suffered many migraines, poor kid, Sumatriptan helped me somewhat. We're all here to learn and grow, to find the values necessary within ourselves to overcome our genetic limitations. I don't think it will be helpful for you to use religious or occult explanations, not for you, and certainly not for your child. Kids pickup very quickly on their parents fears, try not to show or discuss yours with him till he's reached emotional maturity. Impose activity, good sleep, and nutrition - common sense parenting. I adivise you make an effort to defend the core values of your faith, and make an issue of them in the education of your child. Not the fear of the devil or hell, but the satisfaction that comes from defending what you know is right and good.
Your boy's at a sensitive age, he needs you to be strong for him now so he can grow up strong. Good luck with that.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Many of the things you have mentioned can also be related to what's called and Occular Migraine. Never heard of 'em till a couple of days ago. I mentioned some of the lights and shapes that I was seeing at the time, and explained how I had these symptoms as a child as well.

My wife explained them to me, and in MY case, they are related to my blood-pressure. Since I know not the "level" at witch, haha, at which she practices. . .hard to say if there's a connection.

However, and this I say most clearly to you. Sometimes nothing is ever hidden. . .and what some phrase as a question is a casual reflection of his or her most inner fear. In THIS "game", however, the faith and/or denomination (see how that works?). . .your, his, or their personal belief MAY not even matter.

Just because Jesus may heal the blind, doesn't mean he bannished all darkness.
edit on 28-4-2011 by Divine Strake because: the crucifix is too damn high!



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
I have a 7 year old daughter and she is gifted with seeing and hearing spirits. Very rarely does she feel bothered by something, but when she does, we smudge with cedar and sage. I burn sage often throughout my house just to cleanse the energies, because I tend to be sensitive as well. You can try using some frankincense and myrrh in the house and see if that helps. Burn white candles. And in your religion use some imagery (icon) in his room for protection.

Other than this, just to cover all your bases, have him evaluated if you feel that nothing helps.



I like your ideas and posting. I would add a rosary and a statue of Mother Mary, Buddha, Christ, Kwan Yin. Crystals too.



posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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Incredible. The amount of religious mumbo jumbo on a site like this is off the charts. How can any sane person take the 'advice' that's being given here.

For the record I used to be a catholic but ever since I got rid of all that religious conditioning and all the rubbish that goes with it my life has never been better. I sleep more peacefully, I rarely fall ill and I do all the things I like to do without having to worry about some space ghost in the sky who's going to zap me into a frying pan.

I'll take Venom and Mercyful Fate over daft christian music any day of the week. At least it makes me feel alive instead of a spazz.

Get your kid medical help and stop listening to most of this junk on ATS. If that doesn't work just take care of him at home and let him have fun. He's SEVEN after all.



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