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Sony being sued. Could loose Billions.

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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 10:32 PM
reply to post by JBA2848

Why would hackers have there chat logs left available to the public like that? If they were able to hack one of the most secure networks on the planet I doubt they would be communicating over unsecure feeds to avoid being caught. Its obviously a set up this whole thing and whoever did it probably thought they could use anon as a decoy. The 128bit encryption on psn isn't easy t hack either in fact it has been dubbed many times impossible, so it seems to me that it was someone on the inside or someone with access to a super computer or a large network at there finger tips.

And that someone would be the best hacker on the planet or another corporation Suspects: LG, Nintendo, Microsoft, or someone in anon who thought they should play 'god' and go ahead with operation Sony, disregarding the opinions of the rest of the group.

Its also weird to me that some small law firm in California that no one has heard of would just stand up and decide to take on a multi-billion dollar, multi industry corporation within hours after the breach was confirmed without any evidence that any cash was lost or that the network security was faulty.

The question is, where did they get the info that Sony had a weak network encryption, who is telling them this?
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 10:41 PM

Originally posted by shikori
reply to post by JBA2848

Its also weird to me that some small law firm in California that no one has heard of would just stand up and decide to take on a multi-billion dollar, multi industry corporation within hours after the breach was confirmed without any evidence that any cash was lost or that the network security was faulty.

The question is, where did they get the info that Sony had a weak network encryption, who is telling them this?
edit on 27-4-2011 by shikori because: (no reason given)

usual californian action ?
this starts to sound all set up maybe there is a plan to totally eradicate japan?

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 10:56 PM
reply to post by P-M-H

Thats another idea after all Sony has much of japans market shares along with toyota who has recently been under the attack of America. As I said whoever did this has the intention of taking down Sony and if they succeed may God help the world economy.

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 10:57 PM
Heres a article from 2 months ago talking about the credit card problems with Sony.

Original story: Sony has officially stated that anyone using hacked firmware or any sort of circumvention technology will have their console banned for life from the PlayStation Network, but how does the company know when such a console logs in? One person claims to have broken into the PlayStation Network, and what he has found is rather shocking. If his findings are accurate, your credit card information is being sent to Sony as an unencrypted text file, and Sony is watching every single thing you do with your system, keeping detailed records all the while.

"Sony is the biggest spy ever... they collect so much data. All connected devices return values sent to Sony's servers," the hacker said. He claims that Sony knows what controllers you're using, what USB devices are plugged in, what sort of television you're using—everything. Here's another section of the chat log:

user2: another funny function i found is regarding psn downloads
user2: its when a pkg game is requested from the store
user2: in the url itself you can define if you get the game free or not. requires some modification in hashes and so on tho
user3: ..
user2: is like

user3: my god
user2: drm
That's not all: your credit card information is apparently being sent as an unencrypted text file. This is how the code is being sent to Sony:

creditCard.paymentMethodId=VISA&creditCard.holderName=Max&creditCard.cardNumber=45581234567812345678&creditCard.expireYear=2012&creditCard.expireMonth =2&creditCard.securityCode=214&creditCard.address.address1=example street%2024%20&

And heres the chat log from February 16.

So how long has Sony been hacked?
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:01 PM
I have a PSP & today I got an e-mail from Sony saying my account security has been breached, yadda-yadda, gave me 3 links to different free credit scores & 3 liks for free "fraud-alert" companies & information on the lawsuit they are filing against the hacker/hackers. Thankfully I'm not stupid enough to buy games on their network & I didn't enter any credit/debit card numbers. All the info they got was my screen name & mailing address, which isn't my new address, & my password.
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:06 PM

Valued PlayStation(R)Network/Qriocity Customer:

We have discovered that between April 17 and April 19, 2011,
certain PlayStation Network and Qriocity service user account
information was compromised in connection with an illegal and
unauthorized intrusion into our network. In response to this
intrusion, we have:

1) Temporarily turned off PlayStation Network and Qriocity services;

2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full
and complete investigation into what happened; and

3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our
network infrastructure by rebuilding our system to provide you
with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill
as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and
efficiently as practicable.

Although we are still investigating the details of this incident,
we believe that an unauthorized person has obtained the following
information that you provided: name, address (city, state, zip), country,
email address, birthdate, PlayStation Network/Qriocity password and login,
and handle/PSN online ID. It is also possible that your profile data,
including purchase history and billing address (city, state, zip),
and your PlayStation Network/Qriocity password security answers may
have been obtained. If you have authorized a sub-account for your
dependent, the same data with respect to your dependent may have
been obtained. While there is no evidence at this time that credit
card data was taken, we cannot rule out the possibility. If you have
provided your credit card data through PlayStation Network or Qriocity,
out of an abundance of caution we are advising you that your credit
card number (excluding security code) and expiration date may have
been obtained.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email,
telephone and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive
information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email,
asking for your credit card number, social security number or other
personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information,
you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation
Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that
you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation
Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or
accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we
encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and
to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the following information
for those who wish to consider it:
- U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit report annually
from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order your free credit report,
visit or call toll-free (877) 322-8228.

- We have also provided names and contact information for the three major U.S.
credit bureaus below. At no charge, U.S. residents can have these credit bureaus
place a "fraud alert" on your file that alerts creditors to take additional steps
to verify your identity prior to granting credit in your name. This service can
make it more difficult for someone to get credit in your name. Note, however,
that because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect you,
it also may delay your ability to obtain credit while the agency verifies your
identity. As soon as one credit bureau confirms your fraud alert, the others
are notified to place fraud alerts on your file. Should you wish to place a
fraud alert, or should you have any questions regarding your credit report,
please contact any one of the agencies listed below:

Experian: 888-397-3742;; P.O. Box 9532, Allen, TX 75013
Equifax: 800-525-6285;; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta, GA 30374-0241
TransUnion: 800-680-7289;; Fraud Victim Assistance Division,
P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790

- You may wish to visit the website of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission at or reach the FTC at 1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania
Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580 for further information about how to protect
yourself from identity theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice
on preventing identity theft, and you should report instances of known or
suspected identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General,
and the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be
contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001; telephone
(877) 566-7226; or For Maryland residents, the Attorney
General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202;
telephone: (888) 743-0023; or

We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this
incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the
clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes
information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that
additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information.
Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is
our utmost priority. Please contact us at 1-800-345-7669 should you have any
additional questions.


Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Network Entertainment

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:07 PM
Sony is considering compensation it seems.

'I want my money back (subscription fee, content) since the PSN/Qriocity was not available.

While we are still assessing the impact of this incident, we recognize that this may have had financial impact on our loyal customers. We are currently reviewing options and will update you when the service is restored.'

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:09 PM
reply to post by AnitaCigarette

Thats a pretty large e-mail.

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:16 PM
I'm at a loss that when COD online was hacked - months ago - they (Sony) didn't think, "Hmmm.....what else isn't secure?"

They should be financially responsible to anyone who lost any money due to their negligence. Simple as that. I don't care what it says in their acres of "Terms & Conditions." People trusted them, and that trust turned out to be folly.

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:16 PM
They definitely are going to get banged on this one. I've read 77 million accounts compromised. If half had credit cards on file thats 38.5 million accounts that have to be changed, new cards issued etc. Not counting if any fraud is committed and can be attributed to the breach. Lawsuits etc. It's going to be a pretty big number.

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:27 PM
So if they get sued from these guys are they going to distribute the money to the people it's affected? I could see there being a class action suit if funds were stolen or people had money actually deducted from their CC's... I think it's still kind of early to even get all the facts straightened out to even present a lawsuit, they should at least wait until the aftermath.....

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:29 PM
We must remember that it is not confirmed that our bank accounts are compromised but are rather at risk. Sony was also very arrogant about there network being the most secure, so I think that means they thought they did everything possible to secure the information, but as with ever computer code there was a hole in the structure. I don't think they should be blamed and put up for hanging, but I think an apology and some sort of compensation for there complacency and for the fact they failed to protect there users which was there duty. Also psn+ users would require some re-embersment of cash.

I am not in support of this law suit, as its implications could affect the Japanese economy and gamers worldwide, besides these lawyers are just seeing the proverbial green. I also don't trust the situation, I need to see who is responsible for this breach.
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:30 PM
reply to post by jheated5

I really don't think thats the case. Thats also my point why are they suing when it hasn't been confirmed anyone loss money.One would think they would consider this espeacially when going after an entity like Sony being a small firm. So I am thinking they have assurance from someone that the money is gone; and that someone must be linked to this in some shape or form.
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:33 PM
Do people not realize this isn't really Sony's fault? I mean, if this group hacked any other system they probably would've obtained people's information just like they did out of PSN. Sony does not need anything making them look worse than they already do. There are a lot of morons out there who are jacked at Sony. They should be more angry at the hackers.

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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:43 PM
reply to post by philosearcher

And it was the damn drivers not hitting the brakes that crashed all those Toyotas? Come on do you think big corporations care about thier customers?

posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:52 PM
Reply to post by JBA2848

You're right...corporations do not care about their customers much (if at all). However, the race for consoles is pretty tough. Sony just doesn't need this. Microsoft already has money out the butt from not only their Xbox systems but all their windows stuff and more. My perspective is pretty much just from the gamer side of it. Would better security make it impossible to hack? I was under the impression that hackers (if good enough) could make it into almost anything. Or is this displaying my naivety? I don't like that customers are in trouble with their info (myself included) I just think folks who are barking at Sony should redirect their complaints to the hackers.

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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 12:01 AM
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No they shouldn't. The "hackers" are doing what they do.Sony cut corners and pushed ps3 out the door to compete with microsoft.If you want to blame someone blame master chief.

posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 12:10 AM
"Could lose billons" huh?

* Sony is getting sued. Their defense costs money.
* They are pretty much remaking their whole system from the ground up. And they expect it to be done in a week. Hiring staff members and make them work that much is going to cost a bit too much as well.
* They hired a security consultant company to investigate. That can't be cheap.

It looks to me they will be right at the border of bankruptcy. Who knows what else they are doing up to this point to try to fix the damage? Not to mention it's assured a good bunch of people won't be coming back.

I could say this was done by some Anonymous, but last I checked the Anonymous philosophy wasn't exactly cracking security to steal private information, but rather they would do the dead opposite. I really don't think we point fingers to the Anonymous out there, but the timing is just a little bit too perfect.
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posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 03:42 AM

Originally posted by Cricious
It looks to me they will be right at the border of bankruptcy. Who knows what else they are doing up to this point to try to fix the damage? Not to mention it's assured a good bunch of people won't be coming back.

Don't forget they have THIS to deal with as well...

Press Release
Sony Group Operations Affected by Pacific Coast of Tohoku Earthquake, Tsunami and Related Power Outages

Tokyo, March 14, 2011 - Operations at several Sony Corporation and Sony Group sites and facilities have been affected by the Pacific Coast of Tohoku Earthquake and tsunami, and Sony is monitoring the status of each of these sites on an on-going basis, while also considering the most effective recovery measures. Sony also has responded to reports of widespread power outages by voluntarily suspending operations at several sites. No significant injuries have been reported to employees working at any of these sites when the earthquake or tsunami occurred.

The company is currently evaluating the full impact of the earthquake, tsunami and related power outages on Sony's businesses and consolidated financial results.

As of 11:00 am, March 14 (JST), manufacturing operations have been suspended at the following affected production sites:  

* Sony Chemical & Information Device Corporation,
*   Tagajyo Plant (Miyagi Prefecture)
*   Tome Plant, Nakada/Toyosato Sites (Miyagi Prefecture) < Optical devices, IC cards etc.>
*  Sony Shiroishi Semiconductor Inc. (Miyagi Prefecture)
*  Sony Energy Devices Corporation, Koriyama Plant (Fukushima Prefecture)
*  Sony Energy Devices Corporation, Motomiya Plant (Fukushima Prefecture)
*  Sony Manufacturing Systems Corporation, Kuki Plant (Saitama Prefecture) [Surface mounting equipment etc.]
* Sony DADC Japan Inc., Ibaraki Facility (Ibaraki Prefecture)

In addition to these manufacturing sites, Sony Corporation Sendai Technology Center (Tagajyo, Miyagi) has ceased operation due to earthquake damage. While certain production sites in Japan other than those listed above have been moderately affected, there has been no report of employee injury or facility damage, and operations continue. Possible damage at other Sony Group companies in Japan is currently being reviewed. Additionally, Sony Chemical & Information Devices Corporation, Kanuma Plant (Tochigi Prefecture), Sony Energy Devices Corporation, Tochigi Plant (Tochigi Prefecture) and Sony Corporation Atsugi Technology Center (Atsugi, Kanagawa) temporarily suspended operations on a voluntary basis, to assist with the alleviation of widespread power outages.

posted on Apr, 28 2011 @ 04:20 AM
I can't help but wonder why sony decided against pre paid cards for ff14.Instead they demanded debit or credit cards, why?If you can't see how this is their fault then understand they demanded you put sensitive info over an un-secure network just to play.Thank god ff14 sucks or it might be me canceling my cards.
This has hit people I know hard here is a snip from an older chat concerning the lack of pre pay options.

I'd just simply prefer direct debit myself, I'd trust their system to be secure and it is the easiest method of payment.
Poor guy he "trusted their system" and got let down.

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