Sorry guys, the game is up.

I know some of you are real, and have sadly been duped by the very people you despise.

But it's very clear now that at best, you are being used by the Obama administration for their own purposes.

They released this document because they knew you would not accept it. They know that no matter what, the more you protest, the crazier you look and the easier you are to discredit.

At the same time, they know this nonsense will create a huge, noisy distraction from the realities of the evils they are perpetrating.

Some of you actually work for them, so you knew this already, of course. But if you truly dislike this administration, then you need to start focusing on what it is actually doing wrong. Which is plenty.

Otherwise you are just continuing to prove that many of you secretly support it, because what you are doing could only possibly help it.

The rest are sadly being manipulated into working for the very thing they set out to oppose.

Originally posted by sepermeru
Sorry guys, the game is up.
I know some of you are real, and have sadly been duped by the very people you despise.
But it's very clear now that at best, you are being used by the Obama administration for their own purposes.
They released this document because they knew you would not accept it. They know that no matter what, the more you protest, the crazier you look and the easier you are to discredit.
At the same time, they know this nonsense will create a huge, noisy distraction from the realities of the evils they are perpetrating.
Some of you actually work for them, so you knew this already, of course. But if you truly dislike this administration, then you need to start focusing on what it is actually doing wrong. Which is plenty.
Otherwise you are just continuing to prove that many of you secretly support it, because what you are doing could only possibly help it.
The rest are sadly being manipulated into working for the very thing they set out to oppose.

Maybe you could help me locate something.
Where is the part that is proof?
I see lots of opinion, but having trouble locating the proof.

So is this just your theory or do you have anything to back up the claim? Not saying it wouldn't be possible, but I was expecting some evidence when I read the title of your thread.

....else, maybe the obama administration is making you look crazy.

Or maybe the OP just "proved" that he is actually working for Obama to demoralize the birthers...

This could get complicated...

Originally posted by sepermeru
...or you don't realize you're doing it.

Exactly. So, maybe your title and theory should be 'Birthers ignorance proven to help Obama"

But don't forget to add some proof as to how it's helped them. And what you might deem obvious is just opinion, keep that in mind.

Am I some type of rare human being, capable of scrutiny of multiple topics at the same time? Are the rest of you so bombarded by chemicals you can only muster the mental capacity to only discuss one topic?

Sorry OP, I'm pretty sure most of us are capable of multiple grievances with our government, the birther topic is just one of many, and doesn't hamper our disgust of other usurpations.

Questioning and scrutinizing our government is never in their interest, no matter what backwards logic you want to try and use to justify such a theory.

I agree with the OP that the whole birther movement, if not entirely created by them, was co-opted and used as a ploy for a long time. Much like the straw man "holographic planes on 911" crap, put out there to discredit and distract.

I've been saying this all along, while the birthers waste their time arguing over a stupid birth certificate, they've completely ignored doing ANYTHING to remove the SOB from office. There are ample reasons to dislike Obama as president, and they knew that going in, no one including Obama expected a free ride, he took over with several wars already in progress and an economic crash being engineered.

I've said this right off the bat, if there were ANY validity to any of the birther claims, the rabbid dogs that are the republicans would have had a field day with it. Obama could have simply released all the information up front, but how would that help demonize his opponents?

I think that is the vague notion the OP was hinting at. i agree, no proof what so ever has been presented on this, but I tend to agree that at the very least (like 911) this was used to their advantage.

This whole birther garbage hasn't hurt Obama at all. What it has done is make it easy to label anyone who doesn't like Obama as a racist idiot, pointing at the birth certificate fiasco as evidence of this.

A cleverly orchestrated diversion and it's worked lock stock and barrel on most.

I don't care where he was born, he's a douche and hasn't helped the US at all, he didn't cause the problems he inherited but he sure did make them worse. If I were an american i wouldn't spend any time on this BC nonsense, I'd be out at the grass roots level education people on why Obama is a bad president, presenting FACTS and INFORMATION.

I see a flaw in your logic. If what you say is true, then Obama wasn't very smart to issue the birth certificate now. He should have waited until closerto the election. Now all focus is on his failed policies.

Sorry, but fail.

Originally posted by sepermeru
I'm not saying I don't have to show proof. I'm saying that for the claim I am making, evidence of outcome is sufficient. If I throw a pie at the wall, do you have to prove that I either wanted to make a mess or didn't know it would make a mess?

Your examples are irrelevant.

All I was saying is that if you are going to use the word "prove," then maybe you should have some sort of proof. All you have expressed is opinion. Whether or not your opinion is correct, is beside the point. It is still an opinion, and proves nothing.

That one little word in your title, is the only reason I opened this thread. I wanted to see this proof. I have yet to see it.