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Originally posted by technical difficulties
You don't magically get respect from having an opinion. However, if your opinion actually makes some sense, then yes, it does deserve respect.
You start a thread that is nothing but politcal trolling at the very least and then get upset when people respond to this?
by even saying "Obama's failures" you are already headed away from the true issues.
You are inviting partisan trolling, and I refuse to be a part of it.
It almost makes one think that they published a fake BC on purpose.
Originally posted by Skerrako
It almost makes one think that they published a fake BC on purpose.
Now you're starting to get it.
Continue down that road, you'll find some interesting answers
Originally posted by xavi1000
The Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital of Honolulu announces three new residents to their resident staff: Dr. Charles M. Van Duyne, of Wilmington, Illinois, graduate of University of Illinois in 1947
Originally posted by SaturnFX
From the source several weeks ago:
On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...
Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, and repeat yet once again not a general purpose PDF file editor. Opening any arbitrary PDF file in Adobe Illustrator other than PDF files saved in that version of later of Adobe Illustrator with the editability option (which saves the Illustrator document editing data as private data within the PDF file) may result in content loss or corruption.
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PDF layers are part of an overall feature known as optional content in PDF and are conceptually very different than Illustrator layers. Since PDF optional content features in general are very much a superset of Illustrator layers (PDFMaker for PowerPoint uses optional content to handle certain slide build features, for example), there would be no easy way for Illustrator to readily pick and choose what optional content features to support and translate. As such, don't expect this to be "rectified" in any way in future Illustrator releases.
(To make things even more interesting, both PDF and Illustrator layers are very different than Photoshop layers which allow for defined interactions between layers such as masking!)
Dov Isaacs
From the adobe forums.
Basically, scanning in PDF = immediate wonkification and pseudo-layers if opened in illustrator if I am grasping what this is saying.
Which means the whole open in illustrator or use illustrator in general at any step of the process = wonkyness abound.
Take it for what you will.
add: Source of that clipedit on 27-4-2011 by SaturnFX because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nataylor
reply to post by boondock-saint
It looks like they had the short form birth certificate behind the long form when they made photo copies. It all lines up, so you're just seeing bleed-through.
Click through to view the whole thing if the forum is cutting off the left edge:
All I did was open this image of the long-form certificate in Photoshop, then invert the colors and apply a curve to it to increase the contrast. I then took this image of the short-form certificate, resized, moved, and very slightly rotated it and laid it on top.
It all lines up. the supposed "CIA-61" is "OAHU." You can see other bits line up, like "Island of Birth," "Sex," and the black box at the bottom of the short form that says "ANY ALTERATION INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE."
I notice that you have opted to respond to the posts that aren't actually showing the factual issues with the new "birth certificate."
So you admit the new "birth certificate" is a fraud?
Originally posted by Hijaqd
Ok, here's a link that is even used on the thread you are referencing: Source
Shows:
The Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital of Honolulu announces three new residents to their resident staff: Dr. Charles M. Van Duyne, of Wilmington, Illinois, graduate of University of Illinois in 1947
As far as the PDF layering:
Originally posted by SaturnFX
From the source several weeks ago:
On behalf of Adobe Systems Incorporated ...
Adobe Illustrator is not, repeat not, and repeat yet once again not a general purpose PDF file editor. Opening any arbitrary PDF file in Adobe Illustrator other than PDF files saved in that version of later of Adobe Illustrator with the editability option (which saves the Illustrator document editing data as private data within the PDF file) may result in content loss or corruption.
___
PDF layers are part of an overall feature known as optional content in PDF and are conceptually very different than Illustrator layers. Since PDF optional content features in general are very much a superset of Illustrator layers (PDFMaker for PowerPoint uses optional content to handle certain slide build features, for example), there would be no easy way for Illustrator to readily pick and choose what optional content features to support and translate. As such, don't expect this to be "rectified" in any way in future Illustrator releases.
(To make things even more interesting, both PDF and Illustrator layers are very different than Photoshop layers which allow for defined interactions between layers such as masking!)
Dov Isaacs
Basically, scanning in PDF = immediate wonkification and pseudo-layers if opened in illustrator if I am grasping what this is saying.
Originally posted by Skerrako
I notice that you have opted to respond to the posts that aren't actually showing the factual issues with the new "birth certificate."
I actually don't bother trying to delve into the issue as I think it is just a MSM distraction for real issues.
This is the only thread on this I have commented on, only because I am attempting to get those on ATS to see past the distraction propaganda (which is proving to be exceedingly hard). Some people just can't see past things
This strange coincidence has has pretty much confirmed my suspicions that this may be some kind of psy-op on the American people.
Another reason leading me to that conclusion is that this is one of the only conspiracies the MSM has picked up on. Why not 9/11 truth? Why not the NWO? because those have truth behind them. Birtherism doesn't
Originally posted by AwakeinNM
I am in the same profession. I have CS5, use it daily. I do almost all my work in CS5. I opened it and saw a whole bunch of debauchery going on. There's even a file in there of some white specks that are there to perhaps make the document look a little more worn? Not sure what that is but it is useless.
I am not a birther, and would love this issue to be resolved without a reasonable doubt. But doubt I have, and like you, I don't see that document as a satisfactory response to the demand for a long form birth certificate.
By the way, didn't a Senator from Hawaii (?) just say that he was not revealing the long form because he doesn't want to reveal his father's nationality? Wha?? Isn't it right there on the form? Is it different on the form that's not a forgery? Please explain that, dude.
Source
It is true that the PDF birth certificate released by the WH today is not a single image doc, but is a layered construction. Here’s what I mean by that...The problem is, it’s not too hard to figure out what’s going on. If you scan a doc with Optical Character Recognition (OCR) turned on, Adobe Acrobat is capable of taking a scanned doc and breaking it out into layers automatically. That’s what seems to have happened here. There are still one or two funky anomalies, like the text in box 17a getting split into two separate layers and the date in 20 getting its own, but OCR is an imperfect beast and stuff like that happens. The larger question seems to be settled on how the cert got broken out into layers: Adobe did it.
Source
The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.
UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.
Originally posted by Aristophrenia
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
The ONLY way for Obama to truly prove his American citizenship, is to be drowned in a pool of baby tears (of course, for legitimate American babies).
However, if he floats and survives -- he is a witch and would require the normal anti-Witching treatments.
I hope that settles it; as soon as Obama submits to drowning in those tears, we can finally get about the other important things like giving tax subsidies to billionaires and whisking away reporters with questions that have not been submitted in writing.
/sarcasm.
WASHINGTON–In the continuing controversy surrounding the president's U.S. citizenship, a new fringe group informally known as "Afterbirthers" demanded Monday the authentication of Barack Obama's placenta from his time inside his mother's womb. "All we are asking is that the president produce a sample of his fetal membranes and vessels—preferably along with a photo of the crowning and delivery—and this will all be over," said former presidential candidate and Afterbirthers spokesman Alan Keyes, later adding that his organization would be willing to settle for a half-liter of maternal cord plasma. "To this day, the American people have not seen a cervical mucus plug, let alone one that has been signed and notarized by a state-certified Hawaiian health official. If the president was indeed born in the manner in which he claims, then where is his gestation sac?" Keyes said that if Obama did not soon produce at least a bloody bedsheet from his conception, Afterbirthers would push forward with efforts to exhume the president's deceased mother and inspect the corpse's pelvic bone and birth canal
From the Onion
www.theonion.com...
Originally posted by Skerrako
reply to post by mal1970
*sigh*.
Once again I didn't say anything about race except that some people on this vendetta may be racially motivated.
Which is true, some are, and some are not.
I'm playing the truth card if anything, and the truth is race has been a factor in the country for hundreds of yeah, with many on all sides being susceptible to it.
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But you posted this thread, and you were just harassing someone for allegedly being unable to counter your arguments that "birthers" are unjustified in their concerns.
The "double conspiracy" thing isn't really flying for me. Why would they want Obama out of office by making it look as if he wasn't born here? If "they" didn't want him in office, he never would have been. Period.
The other things you mention have surfaced on MSM, and are almost always ridiculed. Similarly are "birthers" ridiculed on MSM. The difference is that while 9/11 is not brought up on a daily basis, and the MSM can ignore the concept of the NWO entirely, they can't ignore that president of the US and the fact that many more people do not believe Obama was born here, than the number of people who believe in a NWO or that 9/11 was an inside job.