It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

page: 89
299
<< 86  87  88    90  91  92 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 04:57 PM
link   

Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy

Originally posted by Opspeculate
reply to post by ZeroPointEnergy
 

He is wrong!

Did you not even check the work of the both those guys you just replied to...?



Hang on. I am confused. I have already seen that video I think we agree with each other.
The document is fake. I already know that.


I have tried to replicate it in Illustrator and have been unable to find the links they claim are there.



My copy of Adobe Illustrator is at work, but I can download a demo (I think). SInce you are having trouble I will give it a go ASAP. I have to go out now though. I might get a chance tomorrow. I will let you know.
I will think about your other comments later. I did not bloody sleep. My brain is dead at the moment.


I would suggest while you are at it to take a composite doc with different forms of text...written and typed and scan it and then save as PDF then open with adobe illustrator...examine it for layers and other generated anomolies.

That might help as well...




posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 05:54 PM
link   

Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy
This video proves that the document was edited with software.
You can see that text is inserted and positioned using commands. OCR does not produce this sought of thing.


89 pages of debate and counter debate and have we "proven" the birth certificate to be fake, as the thread title suggests...........nope.

But what we have proven is that "African" is considered as a "race" classification that is accepted on documents.

and we have proven that Kenya.....did in fact exist as far back as 1920.

The only ongoing debate that is unresolved is the layering issue........but as has been pointed out....layered or not........it is still a big leap to suggest the birth certificate is fake.
edit on 29-4-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:03 PM
link   

Originally posted by Shadowalker

Originally posted by ZeroPointEnergy
This absolutely prooves it. Do you understand what is being said. It proves software was used to insert text. It was not due to OCR scanning




Well this obviously proves its a fraud beyond any reasonable doubt.

There is absolutely no way separate elements could have come in with some turned 90degrees right and some 90 degrees left. The lights would have to be flickering and windows would be folding up lol.


Any ideas what NON might recovering up? Looking at what the video says was altered doesn't make sense.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:10 PM
link   

Originally posted by 2ndFUTURE
Another OCR debunking video that shows hidden numbers that were clipped as well as mysterious white spots that can't be scanned in OCR.



This was clarified in another thread. They had the short form underneath the long form and some text was showing through.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:22 PM
link   
reply to post by Logical one
 


Where has it been proven that African is a race?



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:38 PM
link   

Originally posted by WildWorld
reply to post by Logical one
 


Where has it been proven that African is a race?


Look it it this way:

It's the 60's and you're from another country. Someone asks you what your race is and you state African. Being the 60's there are no databases with dropdowns for selections of racial types, so the clerk/nurse/doctor puts African in there. It's simple and likely. It was a different time and you can't apply your train of thought from now, to the time back then. They probably didn't care as people would figure out he was black by looking at his skin.

If you make things more complicated you can definitely make a conspiracy out of it. Make it simple and the conspiracy goes away and the focus goes back to the real issues like government/political reform and the economy.

The powers that be COUNT on the birthers to only have enough bandwidth to handle the single controversy that taps into their fears/psyche/id. If there's any conspiracy it's the one about making this stupid topic the focus of media and the ignorant so they can't wonder why gas prices are going up, and why their country's finances are a shamble, and why most politicians aren't really about representing the people, but themselves...

I guess some people are just easier to manipulate than others... I might even be one of the people I'm talking about just because I can't let this thing keep going on...



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:39 PM
link   
Did not have the time and the right mind set to go through 89 pages of post.

I have a question and I do also apologize if this has been brought up and answered in the past pages.

So, out of curiosity, you're proposing that the BC is faked. Immediately a lot of things comes to mind.

1. Why fake it by using simple technology accessible for commercial use? Is a BC harder to fake than a Passport? You can probably purchase a perfectly undetectable faked U.S. passport for about 10k to 15k USD. That is if my understanding of how this works in the black market is still correct.

2. Are you telling me that the United States of America does not have the high tech to make a perfectly faked BC?

3. Are you implying that this BC PDF was faked by an amateur?

If I described your implications correctly, then I find this whole thing really silly and amusing in many ways.

Say TPTB wants to protect their investment (Barrack H. Obama), there is no way in hell they'd allow him to use some amateur to fake this thing in a few minutes.

It doesn't make sense to me.

If our government is indeed involved in this cover up (if this is a cover up at all), they can spend a couple of million dollars to fake this BC. Using high tech devices that are inaccessible to civilians, so you cannot use
"Adobe Illustrator"
to dissect it.

In any case, my personal opinion is that if the government really wanted to keep this under wraps, they would not hire an amateur to fake Obama's BC. But since obviously this thing was taken apart by regular Joe's in a few minutes, there is a message here in itself.

Just my own 8 pennies, due to inflation .



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by WildWorld
reply to post by Logical one
 


Where has it been proven that African is a race?


Kenyan Census 1962 instructions on how to fill in the document:

5) "Race.- Write European, Arab, Somali, or African, etc. Asians must write Indian or Pakistan."

www.hist.umn.edu...

So like I said "African" can be classified as a "Race".

There is no strict standard as how "race" can be classified....it can be by skin colour, by continent, or even by country, and indeed it changes over time from country to country.

Given that in Hawaii they ask the parents to classify what they see as their own "race" .....it's no surprise to see a Kenyan born man to classify himself as "African".....especially as the census of that country specifically classifies "African" as a race.

edit on 29-4-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by truthseeker84
Did not have the time and the right mind set to go through 89 pages of post.

I have a question and I do also apologize if this has been brought up and answered in the past pages.

So, out of curiosity, you're proposing that the BC is faked. Immediately a lot of things comes to mind.

1. Why fake it by using simple technology accessible for commercial use? Is a BC harder to fake than a Passport? You can probably purchase a perfectly undetectable faked U.S. passport for about 10k to 15k USD. That is if my understanding of how this works in the black market is still correct.

2. Are you telling me that the United States of America does not have the high tech to make a perfectly faked BC?

3. Are you implying that this BC PDF was faked by an amateur?

If I described your implications correctly, then I find this whole thing really silly and amusing in many ways.

Say TPTB wants to protect their investment (Barrack H. Obama), there is no way in hell they'd allow him to use some amateur to fake this thing in a few minutes.

It doesn't make sense to me.

If our government is indeed involved in this cover up (if this is a cover up at all), they can spend a couple of million dollars to fake this BC. Using high tech devices that are inaccessible to civilians, so you cannot use
"Adobe Illustrator"
to dissect it.

In any case, my personal opinion is that if the government really wanted to keep this under wraps, they would not hire an amateur to fake Obama's BC. But since obviously this thing was taken apart by regular Joe's in a few minutes, there is a message here in itself.

Just my own 8 pennies, due to inflation .


Now you're just making sense. Stop it. We'll have none of that here...


In reality, they wouldn't have to pay someone. I can guarantee you they have people on staff or can get people to do this for almost no cost and have it pass any level of scrutiny. People are investigating an image, that is a scan, of a printout, of a scan, of a copy. They don't want to accept any details which make sense. Only those which make sense to their conspiracy theory! They just can't handle that Barack Obama is president and he needs to bring them personally back in time to see the birth and collect samples for analysis. And even then, they'd rationalize some sort of excuse because their closed little minds can't accept that a man of color is in the most powerful office on the planet.

It's the only thing that makes sense! (Using birther logic) In the end. He's been vetted and he doesn't have to prove to anyone who he is or if he belongs because in America, you don't have to show your papers to anyone who asks. The second you have to do that, you're not in a country that's worthy of being called America anymore.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:57 PM
link   
Those that call these layers are mistaken. They are links to external graphics that were imported into the "artwork". Anything that is "saved as" in an Adobe document from illustrator, photoshop, etc. into a PDF file is automatically flattened (the layers are all merged) unless the artist says not to. the "artist" most likely did have the layers flattened but neglected to realize that the links would still be visible when opened. (open the downloaded PDF from the white house link in illustrator, then select windows from the tool bar and then links.) The actual links are broken because the documents the fragments were copied from only reside on the original artists computer, but they are still there to see. A simple scan of a document into PDF format from ANY scanner will never contain information like this. I invite anyone to download and view the proof themselves before the white house changes the posted document to one that does not contain the embedded links. (they will print, scan normally and then re-post.)

Also....In 1961 America the "race" of Obama's father would most likely have been listed as "negro".

"Fair winds and following seas to all constitutionalists"



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 06:59 PM
link   
It might be possible that the "Artist" who created this document "wanted" the truth to be known?



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 07:31 PM
link   
There are guidelines that are followed for race on birth certificates. Please see this post and link below for 1961.

Originally posted by Opspeculate
reply to post by aptness
 


What is it you want to see...?

Go to any of these places and ask to see whatever it is you are looking for.

The term for the period for all these examples was such.

1961 Vital Statistics of the United States;
U. S. Dept. of Health Education, and Welfare;
Public Health Service;
National Center for Health Statistics;
National Vital Statistics Division;

Check this pdf scan ... there may be clips and layers of all this text.... NOT... LOL

www.nber.org...

Everyone else legally CLASSIFIED the term.

Isn't that the point of the term usage question for the period ?

Classified in these terms means arranged or distributed in classes or according to class.

How is that even a keyword when the point is to discern the classes of race ?

It's just a sentence.

In 1961, the U.S. Department of Health, Education, and Welfare classified non-Whites, who were not Asian, Eskimo, Aleut, Hawaiian, part-Hawaiian, or other "non-White," as "Negro." The U.S. Census Bureau also used the term "Asian and other Pacific Islander" in 1961, which included Filipino, Hawaiian, and part-Hawaiian. The Census Bureau, like HEW, used the term "Negro" to describe blacks and those of black descent. The term "mulatto," used to describe those of mixed white and black ancestry, ceased being used by the U.S. Census Bureau in 1918.

1961 Vital Statistics of the United States;
U. S. Dept. of Health Education, and Welfare;
Public Health Service;
National Center for Health Statistics;
National Vital Statistics Division;

Race and color

Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white, Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-Hawaiian (combined), and "other nonwhite."

The category "white" includes, in addition to persons reported as "white," those reported as Mexican or Puerto Rican. With one exception, a reported mixture of Negro with any other race is included in the Negro group; other mixed parentage is classified according to the race of the nonwhite parent and mixtures of nonwhite races to the race of the father. The exception refers to a mixture of Hawaiian and any other race, which is classified as Part-Hawaiian. In most tables a less detailed classification of "white" and "nonwhite" is used.

In the United Kingdom, the terms "black" and "Asian" were used in the 1961 census to describe those who were "non-white British" nationals. Barack Obama, Sr., as a citizen of the British Colony of Kenya, would have known that his British racial designation was "black" in 1961. The term "African" was not used as a racial designation in either the colony of Kenya or on the British mainland. In South Africa and other British colonies in Africa, "Coloured" was used to describe those of mixed white-black descent.

The consensus among intelligence agency experts is that the Obama long form Certificate of Live Birth was hastily manufactured by an amateur who never thought of using the standard race designation of Negro in Barack Obama, Sr.'s racial designation block on the form either due to ignorance or an attempt to be politically correct in 2011 by refusing to use an accepted term from 1961.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 07:50 PM
link   

Originally posted by WildWorld

In the United Kingdom, the terms "black" and "Asian" were used in the 1961 census to describe those who were "non-white British" nationals. Barack Obama, Sr., as a citizen of the British Colony of Kenya, would have known that his British racial designation was "black" in 1961. The term "African" was not used as a racial designation in either the colony of Kenya or on the British mainland. In South Africa and other British colonies in Africa, "Coloured" was used to describe those of mixed white-black descent.


A few points which have already been addressed.

1) Africans from Africa in the 1960s generally called themselves "Africans".....not "black"
2) The Kenyan Census shows that "African" was used to describe race in Kenya.
3) Obama snr's self determination of race was recorded....not what was the racial "designation" in America...or Britain for that matter.
edit on 29-4-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:12 PM
link   

Originally posted by ShipM8
It might be possible that the "Artist" who created this document "wanted" the truth to be known?


This is quite true. There is a precedent for this in how some of the more embarassing Flight Data Recorder info related to the Pentagon incident on 9/11 was handled by people at the FAA.

Sometimes its hard to find traitors in the civil service.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:23 PM
link   
I had put the BC away a year ago and watched as people kept beating the dead horse. . Then this new BC came out . here we are beating a dead horse again.

But this crappy excuse of a government document has put new life to the dead horse again .

A good forger can make a document that takes a team of experts weeks to be sure its a fake and we have this amateurish crap of a governmental document waved in our face as it is in fact a scan from the original .

Documents are scanned and email all the time and for someone in the white house to send out a document in a condition like this leaves me flabbergasted . Here above all places they should understand the security issues with a un flattened document or a PDF published in which it could be disassembled like this one can.

With all the political connections and people in the government and soft money floating around he could have had a real forger do it or a CIA spook do it and get a high quality job done . Is this the best forgery that our President can come up with or is this a indication of the people working under him to release a document like this .

To me the real question here is not is it a fake.

But why is it such a crappy job ?

I think this was put up like this for a reason . To keep the birth-er issue alive so at a later date he can use the issue to smear a candidate or possibly to ridicule a Obama book coming out .

Or like a good magician waves his right hand around and with his left pulls the bird out of his pocket . Whats he pulling out of his pocket ?

Real or fake the way it was put out make me think he is trying to keep the issue alive . Or keep us looking in one direction when something else is more important is there.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:27 PM
link   
reply to post by Logical one
 


I didn't know that Kenyan census form protocol, applies to Hawaiian birth certificates.

By what legal mechanism is that?



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:31 PM
link   

Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
To me the real question here is not is it a fake.

But why is it such a crappy job ?


I think it is just that the job was kept within a very narrow circle on a need to know basis. The people around Obama would know that they might not be able to count on cooperation from the real pros within the clandestine services. Look at Kennedy and the "secret service stand down". Who can the President trust?

Who can the President trust to circumvent the constitution? Was the governor of Hawaii or some other functionary promised something to cook up a fake? What else could the people around Obama have realistically done?
edit on 29-4-2011 by ipsedixit because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:43 PM
link   
reply to post by ipsedixit
 


I have to wonder if a snarky draft altered document wasn't accidentally released instead of the vetted final version and now the Administration has no choice other than to slime anyone exhibiting raised eyebrows, persistent head scratching, or a dislike of ukuleles.
edit on 29-4-2011 by Elbereth because: forgot something



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:48 PM
link   
reply to post by Elbereth
 


I am hoping it was released like that on purpose, and the administration is just too stupid to have caught it before it was released. That would be the best case scenario in my book. People starting to wake up to the farce and rebel.



posted on Apr, 29 2011 @ 08:48 PM
link   
reply to post by Elbereth
 

Maybe.

I'll be interested to see what Jerome Corsi has come up with on May 17 and also what Trump has to say. Anyway, I am off to work. I'll rejoin the thread later.



new topics

top topics



 
299
<< 86  87  88    90  91  92 >>

log in

join