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Originally posted by thebestusername
-- The background hash pattern would be separate from the other objects (text, halos, etc. - people are calling these layers, but in CS5, there only shows one layer, with several objects, but the difference is probably mere terminology...). In other words, you would expect to be able to move the text, and any other objects off and see a contiguous hash background, even in areas which would have been covered up by text. This is not the case. This file as-is would not be easily modified because the white "halos" would have to be cloned out - doable, but defeats the purpose of the "layers." They could delete a word or change a date, but they'd have to touch up and redo the halo area.
It already was proven as false.
Originally posted by DigitalSea
Arguments such as the hospital not being called what is printed on the birth certificate can be proven true or false by someone else born the same year/same hospital showing a birth certificate.
Originally posted by LosLobos
reply to post by Byteman
This is for the mods. I'm out for tonight as I am getting really really upset. Even I know my limitations unlike the birthers.
I just want to say this. If anyone thinks this is not about race then you are either naive or blind to the facts. I am not race baiting. The bait has been thrown by the birthers. I'm just biting on the bait. And they don't like what they are hauling in. So they try to throw it back but the fish keep biting. Now they want to derail the thread. I want no part of that.
Stop throwing the bait if you don't like the type of fish it snags!
I'm out guys. PS...I love every American because I think it takes a nation to raise a world. We are that nation if we can just get rid of the lunatics.
Originally posted by Newbomb Turk
Not sure if this has been addressed yet or not but while listening to Michael Savage on the radio this afternoon on my way home from work, this guy called in to say that apparently the name of the hospital on the released birth certificate wasn't named that until like some years later...I think 1965, yet there it was on THAT birth certificate in the year 1961
"Obama described his birth at Queen's Medical Center in Hawaii Aug. 4, 1961,."
Originally posted by welshbeliever
i can see what you mean dude, good work!
just out of interest how long would it take an ats member to knock up a dodgy birth certificate simular to this one?
McCain never disclosed his birth certificate.
The purported McCain birth certificates floating around on the internet were disclosed by private parties that had nothing to do with McCain. In fact, the alleged McCain long form birth certificate was disclosed by Fred Hollander when he annexed the birth certificate in his lawsuit against McCain (Hollander v. McCain).
These McCain birth certificates were never vouched by US or Panamanian authorities. Nor by fact checking organizations.
But I’m willing to change my mind if you have the sources to back up your claims. I have to back up mine.
Your insinuation was that McCain did something that Obama didn’t, when actually, it was only Obama that publicly disclosed his birth certificate.
Originally posted by Byteman
I never actually said anything about Mccain getting vetted, so you are going off the reservation.
It’s incredible how the high standards of the birthers suddenly get lax when applied to someone other than Obama.
However the senate did pass a non-binding resolution that he could be president, so he was vetted.
You can wonder, just like you have demonstrated that you can conjure up these fictional scenarios about Obama and his birth certificate, but, just like in those cases, you would be wrong.
So show your source. I can only wonder why you did not just do it in the first place.
Plaintiff respectfully submits this Sur-Reply in order to address new arguments presented in defendants' Reply and to submit Senator John McCain's ("McCain") birth certificate in support of plaintiffs claim that McCain is not a natural born citizen of the United States.
The McCain campaign has declined to publicly release his birth certificate, but a senior campaign official showed me a copy.