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Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

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posted on May, 5 2011 @ 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by grahag
 


Are you serious? If someone accused me of murder and had as much circumstantial evidence as there is against him, I would be in jail already! There have been many many people who have gone to jail with less.


I'd heard that someone with the name of XYankee was actually an illegal immigrant His BC is faked and he had to leave NY because of it...

See how easy that is? Sow the seeds of doubt and then cause the chaos and mistrust with almost no effort from myself.




posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:12 PM
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When I say:

“I wouldn't believe it if someone told me BHO jaywalked or double-parked. The funny business with his BC is happening further down the food chain.”

What I mean is that I don’t believe he is a super-villain in any way, shape, or form. He reminds me of Mr. Rogers on steroids more than anyone else and I think his underlings have poorly served him in this matter.


When I say:

"If the short-form BC can be invalidated by "Any Alterations", why would the recently released certified copy of the original long-form Obama BC be held to a lower standard?”

The point I am trying to make is concerning a criteria for validity, not that I think the short-form BC has been altered. I do not. I am proposing that the criteria for validity is the same for both the long and short-form BCs, and hence “Any Alteration” to either of these forms, for whatever reason, renders that form invalid.

There is a consensus that the long-form BC was altered for readability after leaving the control of the DOH. BHO's new long-form BC is therefore invalid.

And yes, I have brought this up before, but I don’t think anyone has adequately addressed the point I am making.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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You seem to be doing a great job of ignoring the fact that the LFBC was certified again, after it was altered. Now a .PDF file cannot ever be certified. That is not the purpose of it. It is there for conspiracy theorists to play with because it seems you all think that a web image is the same thing as the original document. It is not. His LFBC is not in layers. It is not floating in space in different pieces. It was copied, transfered to safety paper and certified again. What is the issue you are having with this?



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 08:28 PM
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Please explain the re-certification of the LFBC after alteration. Sorry if I missed this earlier.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by Elbereth
 


Now a .PDF file cannot ever be certified.



Certified Document Services (CDS) is the first digital signing solution that allows authors to create Adobe® PDF files that automatically certify to the recipient that the author's identity has been verified by a trusted organisation. Authors of PDFs add digital Certifying Signatures and Approval Signatures to documents they distribute over the Internet.

The process is the virtual equivalent to sealing a document and adding wet-ink signatures and assuring the recipient that the document is authentic, comes from a verified source and the contents have not been tampered with since being published.
my bolding

DocumentSign for Adobe Secure PDF



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


Please explain the re-certification of the LFBC after alteration. Sorry if I missed this earlier.


It was stamped and certified after it was copied out of the book. Unless you think that 4/25/11 stamp was there for 40 years.



posted on May, 5 2011 @ 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth

Originally posted by Sinnthia
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Now a .PDF file cannot ever be certified.



Certified Document Services (CDS) is the first digital signing solution that allows authors to create Adobe® PDF files that automatically certify to the recipient that the author's identity has been verified by a trusted organisation. Authors of PDFs add digital Certifying Signatures and Approval Signatures to documents they distribute over the Internet.

The process is the virtual equivalent to sealing a document and adding wet-ink signatures and assuring the recipient that the document is authentic, comes from a verified source and the contents have not been tampered with since being published.
my bolding

DocumentSign for Adobe Secure PDF




This is golden right here. Really good stuff.

...and when was this done to the .PDF from the WH?



I should have stated it differently. A .PDF file cannot be certified ever the same way the physical document can and was. You cannot just make your own copy of the BC but you can download the .PDF and do anything you like with it. But this is good. I am more than happy to take this correction. Now tell me when this .PDF was "certified" to carry your correcting me all the way through. It is going to be fun for all of us.
edit on 5/5/11 by Sinnthia because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 04:05 AM
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Its obvious to me looking at this, the book is scanned using white as the alpha channel and thrown onto the usual generic green tile background. This is not rocket science, they put it over the tile to make it a little more difficult to edit the data without leaving evidence. More importantly, whether you are a "birther" or not, understand something, if a sitting president wanted a birth certificate forged, he would have one forged.

Making the case that the pdf wasn't flattened is frankly just sad to me. There's no logical reason for anyone to actually care about this, if he was from Mars, it wouldn't matter, he was elected and does the job pretty well. Anything more you read into is just wasting your precious time here on earth.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 04:17 AM
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To the deniers :

Get a hobby and get a life as this obsession you have is borderline dangerous and is a direct threat to this site.

Everytime something y'all claim is wrong is proven as the opposite of what you think.

You sound like a darn broken record devoid of thinking brain and the entire movement has yet to issue one original thought.

This is not my opinion here but is a fact. Your entire group cannot and is totally unable to hit back on facts so keep on sounding dumb and misinformed.

Apparently this is the same group who were convinced that Iraq could hit Washington, DC with a nuke tipped ICBM.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 04:26 AM
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Apparently this is the same group who were convinced that Iraq could hit Washington, DC with a nuke tipped ICBM.


Actually if I remember correctly, the CTers never believed Iraq had WMD's..

It was the Pro Government mob that accepted the lies told by Government as an excuse to invade Iraq and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and then split up the natural resources, oil....



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
To the deniers :

Get a hobby and get a life as this obsession you have is borderline dangerous and is a direct threat to this site.

Everytime something y'all claim is wrong is proven as the opposite of what you think.

You sound like a darn broken record devoid of thinking brain and the entire movement has yet to issue one original thought.

This is not my opinion here but is a fact. Your entire group cannot and is totally unable to hit back on facts so keep on sounding dumb and misinformed.

Apparently this is the same group who were convinced that Iraq could hit Washington, DC with a nuke tipped ICBM.



QUOTED FOR AGREEMENT.

Besides, move over Chicken Noodle there's a new soup in town. The "Birthers" seem to have become "Deathers" in claiming OBL was already dead or not actually killed.

I'm with you Immaculate, I cringe coming on here now. Been playing a lot of on-line scrabble at least the losers are gracious and say "nice game" when you beat them.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Just thinking about the "water pistol" they found at the Bin Laden compound, and I'm thinking, are they making the OBL story so ridiculous that people will stop paying attention to the birth certificate issue? So I decided to once again say the birth certificate is a fake proven hours after release. Congratulations ATS



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Elbereth
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Please explain the re-certification of the LFBC after alteration. Sorry if I missed this earlier.


It was stamped and certified after it was copied out of the book. Unless you think that 4/25/11 stamp was there for 40 years.




Ignore the nonsense in red. Notice how the document is folded on the left edge but next to a larger textured green background? The only logical reason for this is because the signatures at the bottom would be floating and not attached to the document, since the real Hawaii long forms have a smaller box below the larger.

I used this photo to show the straw man arguments the Huffington post is trying to say about "birthers"

Yeah like I really am still mad his middle name is Hussein. Although they do make one good point: WHERE IS THE MAILING ADDRESS?



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Where have you been? Under a rock!
and yes many many people have gone to jail for less.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:05 PM
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With all the issues we are facing, and all the cover ups and lies, I thing that the best practice in everyone's eye's should be to look at EVERY SINGLE allegation, regardless of party, color, or anything else as GUILTY UNTILL THEY CAN PROVE OTHERWISE!

I would like to think that at least we ALL agree they cannot be trusted. ANY of them!!!!!!!



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Wow! I have never encountered a situation where my intentions were so repeatedly and consistently misconstrued than I have in trying to dialogue with you Sinnthia.

Where oh where Sinnthia did I say, imply, infer, or somehow, someway lead you to believe that I am claiming that Obama's electronic PDF long-form BC document was certified?

You stated:


Now a .PDF file cannot ever be certified.


That is what I quoted and disputed in my post. That is all I quoted and disputed in my post. I did so by inserting some external text explaining PDF certification and a link to a vendor that sells software that does indeed certify PDF's.

End of GD story. No extrapolation necessary, desirable, or required. OK!

But you, Sinnthia, by means of unknown and mysterious mental processes were inexplicably transported through hazy realms of illogic to the baffling conclusion that I had also claimed Obama's electronic PDF long-form BC document was certified.

In REALITY, all I am claiming is that you were wrong about whether or not any PDF document can "ever" be certified. Nothing more and nothing less.

Let me reiterate.

three assertions:

1) PDF documents can be electronically certified. (This assertion I agree with and proved)

2) PDF documents cannot ever be certified. (This is your assertion which I disproved)

3) The Obama PDF document was certified. (This assertion I do not agree with and never claimed to agree with)


That seems pretty clear and straightforward to me Sinnthia, but I have a feeling I am not finished banging my . on the keyboard just yet.

God I hate emoticons.
edit on 6-5-2011 by Elbereth because: fruitless attempt at effectively communicating



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by xyankee
I would like to think that at least we ALL agree they cannot be trusted. ANY of them!!!!!!!
I do have a specific topic to mention in relation to that. Does anyone here recall about one month ago, the attorney general of the state of Hawaii was saying that there was no way for Obama to get his long form birth certificate even if he wanted to? Of course, I didn't believe that for a second, but there were plenty of people on ATS quoting him, as though they really believed him, and being an attorney general he should be in a position of authority that we should trust when he says they won't supply the long form birth certificate. Now we see how much we could really trust what he said. Not at all, apparently.

And I ask you, who should know more than the state attorney general? Maybe some judges. But if we can't trust the attorney general, who can we trust?

While we don't know the reasons for the edit, and it could have been for legibility, or for other reasons, I was kind of hoping to see an unedited version. If all they did was edit for legibility, I think they would have been better off releasing it without the edits, and if the R in Barack is kind of hard to read, I think we could get over that.



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by xyankee
With all the issues we are facing, and all the cover ups and lies, I thing that the best practice in everyone's eye's should be to look at EVERY SINGLE allegation, regardless of party, color, or anything else as GUILTY UNTILL THEY CAN PROVE OTHERWISE!

I would like to think that at least we ALL agree they cannot be trusted. ANY of them!!!!!!!


Hmmmm. That concept seems to contradict the basic tenant of the American legal system, "Innocent until proven guilty." But I'll give it a go. Someone told me you served time in prison for child molestation. Can you kindly PROVE otherwise?



posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Elbereth
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Please explain the re-certification of the LFBC after alteration. Sorry if I missed this earlier.


It was stamped and certified after it was copied out of the book. Unless you think that 4/25/11 stamp was there for 40 years.




Ignore the nonsense in red. Notice how the document is folded on the left edge but next to a larger textured green background? The only logical reason for this is because the signatures at the bottom would be floating and not attached to the document, since the real Hawaii long forms have a smaller box below the larger.

I used this photo to show the straw man arguments the Huffington post is trying to say about "birthers"

Yeah like I really am still mad his middle name is Hussein. Although they do make one good point: WHERE IS THE MAILING ADDRESS?


The date stamp is nothing more then when it was released as the date to pay attention to is the Aug 08 1961 date as that is when it was filed.

Hawai'i was accepted and admitted into Statehood as the nations 50th State on Aug 21 1959. GOT IT? HAWAI'I HAS BEEN A STATE FOR 52 YRS THIS AUGUST!

Stanley Dunham is his MOTHER'S NAME!

Mr. Obama, Sr. HELD NO EXTREMIST VIEWS.

Registrant was someone by the name of U. Kaylee.

Every single lie and mistruth you have attempted to spew has just been set ablaze so get real. Go away you troill!

TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT!

POTENTIAL THREAT TO ATS IDENTIFIED!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!
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posted on May, 6 2011 @ 03:34 PM
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Enough already, leave the guy alone. He was Born In The USA (shout out to Adobe) and can be proud of all the things which Bruce sings about in the following tune:




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