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Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Bonified Ween
 


There are a few questions circulating on the internet. When did Kenya become a country? 1963. So on Obama's birth certificate, it states his father was born in Kenya, East Africa. He was 25 years old at the time of Barack's birth. How is one born in a country that didn't exist?


Fun question for you. Can you tell us what Kenya was called before 1963? The answer should be fun for you.


Also, there are questions about the name of the hospital where he was allegedly born, Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Some are saying that back in 1961 that was not the name. It was Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi'olani Maternity Home. The two hospitals merged in 1978, hence, Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.


Some are wrong because it has been posted on ATS already.

Concerned about the welfare of Hawaii's mothers, Queen Kapi‘olani held luau and bazaars to raise the $8,000 needed to open Kapi‘olani Maternity Home in 1890. She endowed her legacy with “Kulia i ka nu‘u” or “Strive for the highest.”

In 1908, Albert and Emma Kauikeolani Wilcox donated $50,000 to start a children's hospital. The community, concerned that two of every seven infants in Hawai‘i did not live to see their first birthday, rallied to match the Wilcox's gift. A year later, Kauikeolani Children's Hospital opened.

The two hospitals joined in 1978 to become Kapi‘olani Medical Center for Women & Children. Staying true to its mission, the non-profit hospital has played a vital role in the health of Hawaii's women, children and adolescents. It is staffed with highly skilled, compassionate physicians and nurses, dedicated to providing the finest care for Hawaii's families:
Kapioloni about page


One more thing, the long form "birth certificate" is not a birth certificate. It is another "certificate of live birth", released by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Did you see the name of the Registrar? U.K.L.Lee. Really?


Birth certificates have never been issued by hospitals. They come from the department of health. Birth certificates have titles on them such as "Certificate of live birth." Google them and look. Ask the state of Hawaii. Call your local Dept. of health.

0 for 3!

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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 05:04 PM
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There is no need for sarcasm. If I am wrong, I shall stand corrected. These questions are being asked in many places. Kenya was known as British East Africia Protectorate. I've believed this forum is to exchange ideas, not insults.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Ummm no actually, I didn't create a halo layer... The halo wass created when the cropped letters are pasted over the backround. You fail there sorry... To recreate what is on the BC that was released, all you have to do is make sure all the black text is on one layer, which was not even done in that case.... There was a few different layers with different bits of black text on it. I can do the same thing on a whole BC in a day or two, and I am an amateur. It was done this way on purpose IMO, to give people just enough evidence to keep the debate going, but not enough damning evidence to prove it is a total fake. If he wants to put an end to it, he releases an unaltered copy, not this layered crap....

But who cares I guess, hes got his diehard people that will always take any criticism on him as a personal attack, and fight it tooth and nail. I really don't care anymore, you guys have your idiot president, after the four years are up you will blame all his shortcomings on the reuplican'ts and still try to elect him. Then after that people will elect a republiclan't president, and he will blame all his shortcomings on the democraps..... OVER and OVER like it has been forever now. Have fun with it.
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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


There is no need for sarcasm. If I am wrong, I shall stand corrected. These questions are being asked in many places. Kenya was known as British East Africia Protectorate. I've believed this forum is to exchange ideas, not insults.


The problem is that you just tacked on a "me too" response and are parroting questions that have been debunked in this very thread, which indicates that you haven't read through it. 103 pages are quite a lot, but that's no excuse for ignorance. Kenya has been around since the 20's. That hospital has gone by a few names which are valid AND it doesn't really matter what you call a birth certificate, as it's a legal record. Even the short form is a legal record.

If you don't post facts on this site, you'll be able to count on someone to do that for you, and if they have to correct you, they might be a little snippy because you're repeating the same mistakes others are.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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you know what's kinda lame? for the five mill he spent triying to hide it, he could have had a perfect replica of the mona lisa made, nevermind a crappy 60's I.D.
no accounting for smug idiots.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
you know what's kinda lame? for the five mill he spent triying to hide it, he could have had a perfect replica of the mona lisa made, nevermind a crappy 60's I.D.
no accounting for smug idiots.


Proof and documentation of your claim - please.

Anything: bank statement - draft - money trail . . .



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


Ummm no actually, I didn't create a halo layer... The halo wass created when the cropped letters are pasted over the backround. You fail there sorry...


Wow! Talk about a fail.


Um...you did not create ANY LAYERS.
You have no clue what you are talking about. You made on .PNG image. There were NO LAYERS in it.


To recreate what is on the BC that was released, all you have to do is make sure all the black text is on one layer, which was not even done in that case....


Uh...no. If you even remotely read the analysis you would see the halo was on layer one and the text on the other layers matches the halo layer perfectly. No other text will fit. Wow! You really failed here.


There was a few different layers with different bits of black text on it. I can do the same thing on a whole BC in a day or two, and I am an amateur.


Then do it because I do not believe you know what you are talking about and neither did Ivan.

I don’t think they reviewed my report. The report indicates that changes could have been made. But the pattern of changes suggests that the focus was on enhancing the legibility of the text, not in changing the content of the text.

I hope this clarifies.

Ivan


Cannot wait for you to come back in 2 days and mop up the floor with me. Should be amazing.


It was done this way on purpose IMO, to give people just enough evidence to keep the debate going, but not enough damning evidence to prove it is a total fake. If he wants to put an end to it, he releases an unaltered copy, not this layered crap....


You just proved your opinion is solely based on not having a clue what was actually found.


But who cares I guess, hes got his diehard people that will always take any criticism on him as a personal attack, and fight it tooth and nail.


Those people bothering you so much you gotta tell me about it? I dont take any of personally so I do not care.


I really don't care anymore, you guys have your idiot president, after the four years are up you will blame all his shortcomings on the reuplican'ts and still try to elect him. Then after that people will elect a republiclan't president, and he will blame all his shortcomings on the democraps..... OVER and OVER like it has been forever now. Have fun with it.
edit on Tue, 03 May 2011 17:25:58 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


So you give up? K. Good. One more down.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by aero56
There is no need for sarcasm.


There is no need to open a 100+ page thread and ignore all the information in it just to post lame questions that have been answered OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER already.


If I am wrong, I shall stand corrected.


You are but I feel like if you cared, you would have read at least a little bit before joining the birther chorus of ignore, repeat, ignore, repeat. It has gotten soooooo old.

These questions are being asked in many places. Kenya was known as British East Africia Protectorate.

Kenya was known as Kenya and was part of the BEAP. In 1964 Kenya became a republic. The word Kenya was there the whole time.

I've believed this forum is to exchange ideas, not insults.


If you were truly interested in an exchange of ideas, you would have read where these ideas were already exchanged in this thread. before repeating things that have already made as long as it is.

Sorry birthers but if you really want the respect you feel you deserve you need to stop repeating old rumors, dodging direct questions, and claiming to know things because you think you heard something somewhere. Sorry.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by billybob
you know what's kinda lame? for the five mill he spent triying to hide it, he could have had a perfect replica of the mona lisa made, nevermind a crappy 60's I.D.
no accounting for smug idiots.


EXHIBIT A



Now it is 5? I thought it was 1, 1.7, or 2? This number is crazy magic.

Here we have a long time member of ATS jumping into a birther thread to put out a claim that no birther has been able to back up EVER. Does this poster want to be treate as a respected researcher and critical thinker or does this poster just want to make sure that certain lies get said over and over again?

Can anyone tell me why you would assert something such as this as a fact without being able to even pretend to verify it? I am really curious. This is the entire problem. This claim is old and never shown to be true. Yet, here it is, again, unbacked.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by Stratus9
 


Obama is 50/50 Black/White.

So, your point is what?


I am old and traveled enough to know that half and halfs are generally despised much more than one of common racial birth. I very well remember people in Alabama calling someone a 'f(*&K(&*ng zebra N.....

So don't give me this 'I'm not racist cause he is half white!' bull#. Seriously.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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You are really annoying, you know that. Yes, I did create layers when I did it, anytime you paste in PS, you create a new layer. At the end, I flattened it and saved as PNG, to make the file smaller....

To create the halo you keep referring to, all I would have to do is cut or erase the halos in the security paper layer, even easier than what I did with the flattened downloaded image. It is really hard to understand for you it seems..... They should have just hired someone who knew WTF he was doing, instead of letting an intern or something do it I guess.

That's it, I am done with this topic. It is useless talking to people like you, so bye.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
That's it, I am done with this topic. It is useless talking to people like you, so bye.



Why?

Because they don't agree with you?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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IMPORTANT!!

So this is the link from the white house on Obama's "Live birth certificate". What I found extremely disturbing was that when I scrolled up and down rapidly, all the letters seemed to become white (as in removed). Is this the actual pdf the White house is making available or is possibly hacked? Because there is no question about it that it is a fake!



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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Do birthers even read the birther threads they post in?
If 103 pages is too much to read, then you are not really that interested in learning anything.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you are saying..



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


You are really annoying, you know that. Yes, I did create layers when I did it, anytime you paste in PS, you create a new layer. At the end, I flattened it and saved as PNG, to make the file smaller....


I am quite familiar with PS, thank you. You do not seem to be nor can you keep your story straight.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


Ummm no actually, I didn't create a halo layer...


So did you or didn't you?
What you PRODUCED had no layers in it. Unlike the .PDF file you are claiming is fake. All you did was photoshop a picture and again, according to the WND expert who reviewed your photoshop...

I don’t think they reviewed my report. The report indicates that changes could have been made. But the pattern of changes suggests that the focus was on enhancing the legibility of the text, not in changing the content of the text.

I hope this clarifies.

Ivan


You did not create anything remotely close to the BC .PDF file you claim to have debunked. All you did was photoshop a picture and produce a one layer image file. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Photoshopping a fake pic is easy.


Recreating the actual layers you think are so suspect would be a feat. You say you can. Then you say you are done, twice.



To create the halo you keep referring to, all I would have to do is cut or erase the halos in the security paper layer, even easier than what I did with the flattened downloaded image.


You really need to actually look at the analysis of the BC because you are missing it by sooooo much. I know how YOU created the halos. What you are missing is the the halos were already on layer 1. The text on the other layers is the ONLY TEXT that fits those halos. Where are your .PDF layers showing this?


It is really hard to understand for you it seems..... They should have just hired someone who knew WTF he was doing, instead of letting an intern or something do it I guess.


So now WND's expert is an intern?


That's it, I am done with this topic. It is useless talking to people like you, so bye.


You already said goodbye once. You also said this.


Originally posted by TKDRL
To recreate what is on the BC that was released, all you have to do is make sure all the black text is on one layer, which was not even done in that case.... There was a few different layers with different bits of black text on it. I can do the same thing on a whole BC in a day or two, and I am an amateur.


I am going to call BS on you here. No you cannot. That is why you are pouting and running. Ivan even said he would be happy to compare your result to the Obama .PDF file.

GO FOR IT! You can send it to him yourself. You do not even have to trust me. I will be waiting.
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posted on May, 4 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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So lemme get this straight, all that it would take to shut you up about it is what? For me to change text, and leave it with layers intact and upload that? It cannot be that easy....

All that matters to people like me is that it could have been changed. As I said, I believe they did it on purpose, counting on people like me, and real experts that have gone on record, saying it could be a forgery. I can't believe whoever released it didn't know it would be scrutinized, and didn't have a document expert check it out before releasing it.... Unless they are really stupid.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:26 AM
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I am not nor ever have been a "birther". It would be a good idea for you to ask me before you assume that I am a birther.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:31 AM
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I am not a birther. That is an assumption made by you. So it appears that you, too, need to gather your facts before posting.



posted on May, 4 2011 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


So lemme get this straight, all that it would take to shut you up about it is what? For me to change text, and leave it with layers intact and upload that? It cannot be that easy....


Because it is not. Unless you can create exactly what you all claim is the smoking gun on Obama's then you are just pissing in the wind. Create all the layers and halos you want. You do not seem to remotely understand what was found.


All that matters to people like me is that it could have been changed.

Now what exactly was changed, how, or why? Some critical thinking you got there. The same people the verify that is was changed are the same ones who cannot show any text was ever changed. NONE.


As I said, I believe they did it on purpose, counting on people like me, and real experts that have gone on record, saying it could be a forgery. I can't believe whoever released it didn't know it would be scrutinized, and didn't have a document expert check it out before releasing it.... Unless they are really stupid.


Good. Now see if you can honor your stomping off like you have done twice already. Get that BC ready. Will be waiting.



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