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Obama's NEW Birth Certificate proven to be fake hours after release

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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


Here, in like 20 minutes, honolulu changed to kenya, halo and all.....
Step 4, take the K from above clone and resize a bit. Here you have it, honolulu to kenya, halo effect and all.

Keep in mind this took me a wopping 20 minutes... They had how long to slap this together?


Cute photoshop job. Where is the PDF? Maybe we should have Ivan see if yours contains the same layers or just a 20 minute photoshop job?




The difference in opinion is here I guess. You assume it is number two, I say as long as number one is possible, how can this be taken as viable evidence?

Ivan says that it is most likely 2 as there is no evidence of 1. Not my opinion. That is WND's expert's opinion. Have you read his entire analysis yet?




posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
Again:

Ivan, one of two possible explanation for the pattern of layers--

A) "Someone was changing the content of both the text and the stamps."

Sinnthia--

B) "His (Ivan's) conclusion is that the information remained the same from before the changes to after the changes."


If these two assertions, Aand B, can coexist in the real world, then I must be residing elsewhere.

edit on 2-5-2011 by Elbereth because: typo


Right, that is why in the real world we include context.

An enlargement shows that there is a white halo around most of the printing on the Certificate. It has
been suggested that these “suspicious white borders” indicate that items were pasted into the image.
The pasting of content itself does not necessarily create a white border. A more likely reason for this
Halo effect is that the text was enhanced.

It is a common practice when enhancing a document with text on a dark background to set off black text
with a white border to increase the contrast.
If we look at the base layer, that appears to be exactly
what has occurred. The base layer of the document has a separate white outline for most of the text.




This suggests that the
overlays where created to enhance that content (ie. make the text darker and/or the edges sharper).



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Great news! I am now in ethereal contact with Ivan Zatkovich via the Great Cosmic Melchizedekian Switchboard. He assures me all my arguments are in perfect alignment with his forensic document analysis of Obama's new BC.

If you doubt my claim, I will type out my telepathic communications with Ivan and cut and paste them into a post as unassailable proof of the reality of my communications with him (by "him" I am referring to Ivan Zatkovich).

Thank you over and out.
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Ubama showing a document that has been constructed in layers....spells FAKE !
We have been PUNK'D again!!! and now with Osama fake story to cover his tracks.




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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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This is my post from 4/27. What you are saying Sinnthia, is nothing new. The important issue is that the document has been altered after being certified.


Originally posted by Elbereth
I lean towards BHO politically, but I also believe that the truth is more important and a higher end in and of itself than any political considerations.

That being said, the more I look at this document, the greater the sinking feeling I am getting. This document does look manipulated.The thing I noticed right off the bat, and if others have pointed this out somewhere else on this gigantic thread my apologies, is that all of the text, which has indeed been layered from the background, has a white drop shadow behind it, as if to enhance its readability. I don't believe this is a result of aliasing. This looks like something I would intentionally do to make the text pop a little. It is a very common technique.

I might be able to overlook this if it was on just the parts of this document that I assume were generic and pre-printed, but it is on the field text as well, where BHO's unique info was inserted. What gives?

If this is forged, why the hell didn't they flatten and rasterize the document prior to generating the PDF?
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posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
Great news! I am now in ethereal contact with Ivan Zatkovich via the Great Cosmic Melchizedekian Switchboard. He assures all my arguments are in perfect alignment with his forensic document analysis of Obama's new BC.

If you doubt my claim, I will type out my telepathic communications with Ivan and cut and paste them into a post as unassailable proof of the reality of my communications with him (by "him" I am referring to Ivan Zatkovich).

Thank you over and out.


Haha, I get it. I am lying. Funny funny stuff.

Email 1

I would be happy to discuss any information I provided to ABC and WorldNetDaily that is currently appearing on WND. I did not state that any document was ‘fake’. But I did provide specific evidence that the document was modified /enhanced. I would be happy to provide the same report to you as I did to ABC.

Even though the WND article seems to somewhat sensationalize the information I provided, there is no speculation here. Just simple forensics.

If you have any other questions you may call me directly.

Ivan Zatkovich
Principal Consultant
eComp Consultants
xxx-xxx-xxxx

From: xxx [mailto:xxx]
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 10:32 PM
To: IvanZat@aol.com
Subject: Obama Birth certificate analysis

I am part of a discussion group that has presented a WND article about you and Obama's birth certificate. I was wondering if you could clear up that you found his birth certificate to be a fake, that was created in a photoshop type program as per the WND article. Reason being, WND has come into question as a verifiable source. Thanks for any reply.

I took out the phone number he gave me but he has one on his website and his linkedin page. His email is above and you can confirm that with WND and his own site. Please email him yourself. I am not worried.

email 2

Here’s the report I provided to ABC/ WorldNetDaily. I think you should find it pretty straight forward. After you read the report, if you still have any questions, I’d be happy to answer them.

Ivan

From: xxx[mailto:xxx]
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 11:53 PM
To: ivanzat@ecompconsultants.com
Subject: Re: Obama Birth certificate analysis


Please feel free to call me a liar all you like without bothering to check yourself. It is cute the way you try to frame me as crazy. You are new here. I think I got your number already.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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I am not as new as you may think.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


I am not as new as you may think.


So a previously banned member calls me a liar.

Please contact him yourself.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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I was never banned. My other name is Dirtworshipper. I became a member in 2009, but forgot I had the account when I started posting again recently. I admit mostly lurking on this site for years.



posted on May, 2 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Elbereth
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I am not as new as you may think.


So a previously banned member calls me a liar.

Please contact him yourself.


OK. My bad. I'm sure you don't care, but I accept that you are in contact with him. Apologies. I guess I don't believe much anymore at first glance, and lying has become a national pastime.

Here are some more examples of quick and dirty Photoshop manipulations of the source material.


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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by chris_stibrany
Labelling one third of the entire population of the USA with an epithet as stupid sounding as "Birther" just goes to show you how people will denigrate something they disagree with anyway they can.
Its just as bad as if I called all black people Darkies or all asians Chinks. I really hate the word Birther. Cant we just say something like "people who believe the President may be ineligible?"
These people with these opinions are not uneducated conspiracy theorists they have a valid point. It is merely another hole in the dike that is the corrupt governing system. And even if it subconscious, labelling people you disagree with merely leads to more fragmentation and passive subservience to the system that is not serving you and never will.


Birther is short and easy to use. Blame them if you think they got a bad rep from having such a crazy conspiracy. I hear birther and I think Orly Taitz or those military folk who refused to deploy. Orly is a bag of crazy and she's the defacto leader of the birthers. We use labels all the time. I'm called an apologist and ignorant all the time? Does it bother me? Nope. It's NOT a valid point.

They have a bunch of actual legitimate things they could be upset at the president for and they pick this? It's indefensible for them and they look crazy because of it. Everything they believe is based on a card house of "facts" that rely on one another to make sense.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by xyankee
Well, great!! Now can we all agree and demand an investigation? I mean common no one knows whether they are coming or going now, but one thing I think we should all be able to admit is that there should be some clarification on the whole matter! If you feel that he is legit or not, it is worth finding out for sure, for the sake of our country, don't you think? Would you let a child molester babysit for your daughter or son if they were accused of being a child molester? Even if there was no proof? Would you be comfortable in taking that chance? ANY question of his past should be looked into at this point!!!4


So accusing someone is all it takes to be justified to pry into someone's life and turn it upside down? Don't make me go randomly accusing people around here to make my point of what a bad idea that is. If you accuse someone, then you use FACTS, not conjecture and hearsay. I don't think anyone has identified how the PDF was created, but he has been vetted already by people with more authority on the matter than you or I. The BC is just an image. It's not the real copy. It says that right on the image.

Until you know how it was created and what was originally scanned, you'll go around chasing your tail.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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And you'll NEVER be shown the original long form. If that's your hang-up then you might as well move on. OR, if you have a true belief in your convictions, file a lawsuit... PLEASE... File a lawsuit...

That's what I thought...

Copies of the short form are good enough to be verified as a legal natural born citizen. This thread is a hoax and needs to go in the appropriate area. Or the title should be changed to reflect what the BC image really is.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 03:05 AM
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THAT sounds like a witch hunt. First of all, the BC is an important issue, but then you say that it doesn't matter if it's legitimate or not.

Someone has an agenda and is willing to ignore facts to get what they want...

You don't get to see the original BC. You never will and there's not a thing you can do about it. This is a prime example why the birther label hurts so much. There's no "proof" that the BC is fake. But on a technicality, the BC could be labeled as fake because it's an electronic representation of his BC.

But that would just be another way of getting around the whole "facts" thing to get what you want.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by grahag
reply to post by happykat39
 


THAT sounds like a witch hunt. First of all, the BC is an important issue, but then you say that it doesn't matter if it's legitimate or not.

Someone has an agenda and is willing to ignore facts to get what they want...

You don't get to see the original BC. You never will and there's not a thing you can do about it. This is a prime example why the birther label hurts so much. There's no "proof" that the BC is fake. But on a technicality, the BC could be labeled as fake because it's an electronic representation of his BC.

But that would just be another way of getting around the whole "facts" thing to get what you want.


You are very good at the well known liberal tactic of taking something out of context and twisting it to mean what you want it to mean and then attack on that basis.

Below is the full text of the original post you are questioning. It is obvious to anyone who reads the full text that what I am suggesting is that whether or not the BC is found to be forged, enough credible evidence that it has been has been posted all over the internet to justify an investigation. Law enforcement agencies investigate crimes all the time with far less real solid evidence than has been shown for the BC being a total fake.


No matter what anyone says the issue of the birth certificate is a big deal. Obama has been asked repeatedly for over two years to produce the long form BC. He himself has stated that it does not exist, just the short form cert of live birth he already has shown and is worthless for proving where he was born. And the governor of Hawaii said he would find the long form and settle the matter once and for all. He searched for two weeks and came up empty handed.

Now, on the eve of the release of a damning book he suddenly "finds" a non existent document; that alone smells like a whole barrel full of rotting fish.

Plenty of evidence has been submitted to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the released long form BC was manipulated in Illustrator or a similar compatible program. I am not going to rehash all of that here. Those who can see the evidence don't need more convincing and those who refuse to see will not be convinced.

What I am going to say is that we live in a constitutionally controlled republic with a set of laws. When we abandon the constitution and our laws for the convenience of keeping our heads blissfully in the sand we are abdicating our right and duty to uphold those things.

Right now I am going to state that at this point it does not matter if the BC is legitimate or not. Enough suspicion has been raised that it is indeed a fake to not only justify, but demand, an investigation. If we let this slide off the edge of the page and forget about it we are headed down a slippery slope into a future where the PTB can literally do anything they want without question regardless of the legality of their actions.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


Here, in like 20 minutes, honolulu changed to kenya, halo and all.....


Seems you failed on a couple of levels with your photoshop job. For one, you had to create your own halo "layer." Not present in Obama's You would have to manipulate his halo layer but what do I know. I sent your pick to Ivan and asked him.
To Ivan I wrote.

Please feel free to disregard this but I am so confused by all this technical talk. I was offered this .PNG image of the same BC but with a new alteration showing how easy it is to recreate all that you found with new text. If you can just tell me offhand, great. I am not asking for your time or energy at all. If it takes more than a thought, do not bother. I just had to ask as I am very confused by all this. Thank you.


And I get back


I don’t think they reviewed my report. The report indicates that changes could have been made. But the pattern of changes suggests that the focus was on enhancing the legibility of the text, not in changing the content of the text.

I hope this clarifies.

Ivan


Please please please email your image to him yourself and clarify. Keep harping on about what you did not understand. It can only get more entertaining. Hint: "They" means you.



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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth

Originally posted by maybereal11
You make that painfully clear by not offering any evidence to the contrary besides the silly "read this thread"...what in this thread has not been debunked?


Obviously we will have to disagree. I have no intention of synopsizing the evidence contained on this thread for your convenience. Do a little digging yourself.

...

There is quite a bit of evidence on this thread that the Obama BC is a fake. Buck up and take a look before pompously spouting off.
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Strange you omitted the rest of my post


Originally posted by maybereal11
I have read the entire thread, plus every other birther thread for years. I have researched and researched some more...for years now. There is nothing knee-jerk and uninformed about IamBoon's assesment...it is spot on.


And yet still refused to offer anything that has not been debunked?



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Elbereth
OK. My bad. I'm sure you don't care, but I accept that you are in contact with him. Apologies. I guess I don't believe much anymore at first glance, and lying has become a national pastime.


I would never expect anyone to take my word for it but the man was very easy to contact and I encouraged anyone and everyone to check for themselves. I really hope you see the difference.



posted on May, 3 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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There are a few questions circulating on the internet. When did Kenya become a country? 1963. So on Obama's birth certificate, it states his father was born in Kenya, East Africa. He was 25 years old at the time of Barack's birth. How is one born in a country that didn't exist? Also, there are questions about the name of the hospital where he was allegedly born, Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital. Some are saying that back in 1961 that was not the name. It was Kauikeolani Children's Hospital and Kapi'olani Maternity Home. The two hospitals merged in 1978, hence, Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital.

One more thing, the long form "birth certificate" is not a birth certificate. It is another "certificate of live birth", released by the Department of Health, not the hospital. Did you see the name of the Registrar? U.K.L.Lee. Really?










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posted on May, 3 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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The birth certificate in the following video (which was linked earlier but not embedded) was actually posted back in the thread by me. I would like to know more about how it was obtained, etc. The document looks very authentic, with names of doctors and an official that could be verified by someone with reach. It would be interesting to find out more about Lucas Smith and how he got the document.

Note: Audio quality in the video is variable.





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