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Originally posted by Aggie Man
Originally posted by filosophia
so show me where in the federal code of regulations it defines natural born? All you defined was nationals and citizens. And sorry, the "code of federal regulations" is not good enough. You have to look at the definitions used at the time of adoption of the constitution, not hundreds of years later.
Show me a definition of "natural born citizen" used at the time of the drafting of the constitution then. Preferably a dictionary, perhaps some contemporary government documents. Don't forget to source it.
No person shall be eligible to the office of President of the United States unless he be now a Citizen of one of the States, or hereafter be born a Citizen of the United States.
Originally posted by relyt
Another thing to look at when comparing these certs. Take a look at the address of the hospital. They both have different addresses. Just throwing another observation in there.
‘Loyalty,’ of course, in the citizenship context centuries ago meant what we now would call jurisdiction. But it is obvious that this distinction, to Vattelists like 2ndFUTURE, are too far away to grasp, so he can claim absurd things like “Obama naturally has loyalties to Kenya” for having visited the place, with a straight face.
Originally posted by 2ndFUTURE
try to keep up....Obama was born with DUAL citizenships and thus DUAL loyalties. ... Obama naturally has loyalties to Kenya. Obama is case in point why the founding fathers wrote this into the constitution.
Citizens can not be defined by British common law as it's apples and oranges. British subjects can never be King. Therefore everyone and their brother could be counted as a "natural born subject". But because we elect Presidents among the people of this country, the founding fathers wanted a stricter provision for President and Commander and Chief of our armies. Only someone "natural born" with no parental loyalties to other countries could be trusted to act in the best interest of the United States and the United States alone.
Originally posted by Rocky Black
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Even I can tell that is a forge job look at his name up close see the whiting under his name look down at the lower text it is not the same this is a forged document and I cannot wait for a real forensics expert to come out and tear that piece of phony crap apart.
I call fraud right here
New-York, 25th July, 1787.
Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of foreigners into the administration of our national government ; and to declare expressly that the command in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.
I remain, dear sir,
Your faithful friend and servant,
It’s explained on the White House page where the long form certificate was posted.
Originally posted by ViperChili
I haven't read all 7 pages of this thread so far, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned but how did Obama get this after Dr. Fukino recently said the long form is not available to citizens, it is for the records department only?
Originally posted by SonicInfinity
reply to post by ClintK
No, you are justified for attacking the birther's ridiculous positions and beliefs. To attack them on a personal level is sad and pathetic. Their arguments are so full of holes that attacking them on a personal level is completely unnecessary and only detracts from an intelligent conversation.
Originally posted by TheAmused
Where is the footprint?
The raised seal?
his fathers race is African? thats like saying mothers race american. seems odd to me.
coupled with the fact it says void if document is altered in any way at he bottom.
and it clearly has.
So idk what to think.