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White House Releases Obama's Long-Form Birth Certificate

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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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"However, the original Constitution has been amended many times. The Fourteen[th] Amendment, ratified July 9, 1868 after the Civil War, states in part: “[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” In 1898 the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 that the Fourteenth Amendment applies to children born in the United States to parents who are not citizens of the United States such that the children automatically become citizens upon birth."

naturalborncitizen.com...

Not sure of the current status/merit of the argument, but this ruling appears to suggest that it doesn't matter what "nationality" either of the parents are, so long as the child is born in the United States. Therefore, if Obama was born in Hawaii, the nationality of Obama's father is irrelevant.




posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't have time to read the entire thread so I must have missed that. If this IS his real BC then i'm happy. Now we can put this issue to rest and focus on the real issues. Like how to get Ron Paul in the whitehouse.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
BH...we should really just give up. Some people will never listen to reason or facts. Some can't admit to themselves that they have been wrong and spreading lies for over 3 years.


Agreed. We've been fighting this willful ignorance for years.

If we stop feeding the machine, it will grind to a halt.



We are as guilty of perpetuating this insanity as the birthers themselves. As long as we keep trying to show the truth, they will keep making ridiculous assertions without sources and they will remain immersed in willful ignorance. They are a smaller percentage now and their argument will die of neglect.

Let's join together and DROP this issue.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.


Children of CITIZENS (plual) his father was never a citizen This clause talks about two citizens who have a child on foreign land. Obama's father was not a resident according to law but that's hardly relevant considering this clause isn't applicable in this situation. The word "Provided" means that the second sentence is a provision on the first sentence.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by NAeagle89

Trump won against Obama. ]


Well if you consider being exposed for the batsh&^ crazy, lieing, attention whore you are as a victory, then yah I guess Trump won.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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This "new" document clearly cites Kapi o Lani medical center as the birthplace. Clearly. So, why the confusion back on the 2008 regarding the hospital? Back then, Obama's own campaign site had listed Queens medical center as well as other news sources then they sought to obfuscate that little fact by changing the story to Kapi....

I've always known which hospital I was born in and every time we drove by that hospital when I was a kid my parents pointed it out as where I was born. Then I pointed it out by the time I was 4.

OOPS!!! Nice cover!!



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Box 21 - signature of registrar - "Ukulele" - ?



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Let's join together and DROP this issue


Agreed. When I see a thread entitled "the earth is flat" or some such, I tend to not click on it. I shall do the same with these ridiculous assertions.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Obama could qualify as citizen

just not a Natural Born Citizen



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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What follows is only my opinion and is not intended to offend or attack anyone. It is also not an assertion of fact. It is only my personal, subjective opinion, and consists to a large extent of speculation. All respect to those who disagree.

1) Unless some people personally see and touch his birth certificate and can prove that it has a raised seal, etc. they will not believe that he is a natural born American citizen no matter what he says or does.

2) Regardless of whether a Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Communist, Independent, Green Party, or Tea Partier is elected president, the same agendas will continue to be advanced. Wealth will still be transferred from the poor and middle class to the wealthy. The same social, political, corporate, and military agendas will be pursued in one form or another. The same corruption, cronyism, and special interest cow towing we have witnessed through the Bush (I,) Clinton, Bush (II,) and Obama administrations (and long before them,) will not disappear if Obama is found to not be an American citizen and then somehow impeached.

3) The only power the president has is via executive orders, vetoes, and as Commander in Chief. The power of legislation rests with the legislature, and they - like the executive branch - are beholden to special interests who enable them to be elected. Today, it is impossible for anyone to be elected to public office without massive financial expenditure, expenditure that lobbyists and special interests help them cover. These special interests often represent multi-national corporations, with no loyalty or agenda toward any one nation, but rather to themselves, and the expansion of their own power and wealth. Impeaching Obama will not rectify this paradigm. It is endemic to our political and financial systems.

I am not defending Obama, mind you. I disagree with much that he has done and said. But that isn't the point. In my opinion there is a much larger, much more insidious problem at the heart of our systems of governance, and eliminating one person will not solve it. (Anymore than impeaching Bush would solve the problem after he was caught lying to us on multiple occasions.) This isn't about a single individual. If anything, I suspect having a single person who we perceive as being "in power" allows lightning rods both for support, and for criticism, to capture our attention, rather than seeing the larger overall picture.

We have become a nation of corrupt, endemically deceitful leaders (regardless of how well-meaning many of them may be initially, and I'm sure there are some.) The system simply doesn't allow them to be politically and financially successful while also being altruistic and honest. It is a system which rewards corruption and ruthlessness (which makes sense, because that mirrors the corporate world the special interests originate from.) Eliminating any one of them from office will, sadly, not resolve this anymore in my opinion.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by filosophia
Not sure if this will silence the birthers, it may just add more fuel to the fire

It says his father was born in Kenya, so unless he gained citizenship in some way, Obama is still not natural born


A Natural Born Citizen is one who is born of citizen parents. A child born abroad to two US citizen parents is a natural-born citizen: Provided, That at least one citizen parent had a prior residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions. U.S. Code: Title 8, 1401.


www.scribd.com...



The above applies to being a "Natural Born Citizen" a requirement for becoming president....

How about you post the entire code, rather than cherry pick something that isn't even applicable to Obama.


The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person
(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or
(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and
(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.


www.law.cornell.edu...


The above applies to being a citizen, allowed to vote, get benefits etc... The above definition does NOT give the right to become POTUS....

Jaden
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
BH...we should really just give up. Some people will never listen to reason or facts. Some can't admit to themselves that they have been wrong and spreading lies for over 3 years.


Agreed. We've been fighting this willful ignorance for years.

If we stop feeding the machine, it will grind to a halt.



We are as guilty of perpetuating this insanity as the birthers themselves. As long as we keep trying to show the truth, they will keep making ridiculous assertions without sources and they will remain immersed in willful ignorance. They are a smaller percentage now and their argument will die of neglect.

Let's join together and DROP this issue.


Please do!! Perhaps you can spread this sage advice in the 9/11 threads and the JFK threads too!! While your at hit the UFO and 2012 circuit as well. Have you forgotten which site you have chosen as your roost??



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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source for what? Be specific.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Odessy
reply to post by xavi1000
 

This may or may not be real, but it has been photoshopped.
The writing etc is on a multiply layer to show that silly green background... which makes me wonder...
Why didn't they just show an undoctered version?


good grief.

Just give it up.


Give what up?
I'm not a birther, just pointing out a fact.
Why would they leave any doubt in anyone's mind?



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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I bet there's a visual information specialist (graphic artist type) in the AIC (reverse that for the actual agency name) who is proud to have done great work on this. He/she is either in the AIC or some other un-named non-governmental agency. Why two years? Probably because it could be ignored until Trump had a huge cow over the issue. So, really, it didn't take two years to make this forgery, it just too a few weeks of Trump's attention-calling to the subject.

Charlie Sheen brought attention to 9-11, and the media pounced on him as soon as he made a mis-step. They had to wait for him to eventually make that mis-step, and that's why it took about a year for them to act. In this situation, --another celebrity calling attention to a conspiracy-- they acted only weeks afterward because Trump didn't technically take a mis-step. Now, because this has been released, the forgery, Trump has egg on his face.

So, is it a forgery or not? Maybe, then again, it could be completely legit. I sure wouldn't want to the be graphics guy/gal who performed the job, though. He/she might not be around for too long.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by jibeho
This "new" document clearly cites Kapi o Lani medical center as the birthplace. Clearly. So, why the confusion back on the 2008 regarding the hospital? Back then, Obama's own campaign site had listed Queens medical center as well as other news sources then they sought to obfuscate that little fact by changing the story to Kapi....


It obviously takes time to get a lie straight. The fact is Hawaii didn't have a record of his COLB so where the hell this thing came from is a mystery. I have a feeling this is going to blow back on Obama. I don't think he was behind its release I think it was done and he had to catch up. As someone said - if they actually had this then it would have been far better to release it in September or October of next year to get a poll bounce. Now the bounce will be gone.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 



Let's join together and DROP this issue


Agreed. When I see a thread entitled "the earth is flat" or some such, I tend to not click on it. I shall do the same with these ridiculous assertions.


I'd say at this stage of the game anyone that was capable of reasoned thought has been satisfied and those that are left are hopelessly wed to thier vitriolic fiction.

No one left to educate...no reason left to play "fetch the evidence" with rabid dogs.



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Just shut up already! Is there ever an end to the delusion? Like the white house would release a fake that your "trained" eyes could pick out of a line up?

You "birthers" are a bunch of bored fools, that need to find a hobby!

You want it, you get it, now its fake... Or why so long..... or this or that...

As some mental midget wrote "It takes 2 years for a good fake" really? Can you please point that line item out in the "Deep Dark Conspiracy Book" you read it in?

Get over it, YOUR PRESIDENT IS A Black, Democrat, with an odd middle name... Get over it!!!



posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by drmeola
You all are clueless, first of all it matters not where he was born the rules and regulations for eligibility for the office of president of the US, clearly states that both parents must be US Citizens period, his father clearly on the long form shows is 25 years old and is from Kenya, his father was not a natural citizen born on US soil, there for making the current President Obama, holding office illegally.

The media is blinding you all with this whole so called birther thing, the rules of office are clear, this is what they do not want the general public to know about period. It’s called a duel alliance, father of one country mother of another, so the commitment of the child is compromised, end of story.


Actually, even if both his parents were not born in the US (and frankly, I don't understand how that makes you more eligible or would be a 'better' president), how many other presidents had at least one parent who was not born in America or American citizens at the time this rule came into place? I think the answer may surprise, does that mean any laws or other statutes they put in place are now null and void?

Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) is the only president born of two immigrants, both Irish.

Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809), whose mother was born in England,

James Buchanan (1857-1861) and Chester Arthur (1881-1885), both of whom had Irish fathers,

Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) whose mother was born in England.

Herbert Hoover (1929-1933),mother were born respectively Canada.

So even if you believe your current president should not be in place - because you follow the birther faith - should the distinguished gentlemen above be struck off the list of former presidents?
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posted on Apr, 27 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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Roost?

Ya, a site that states "Deny Ignorance" as its motto...

Maybe you and the other birthers should lobby for

"Propagate Stupidity"


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