Originally posted by Mogget
You are absolutely correct, Skewed. If a brown dwarf (or any other massive object) was approaching the planetary region of the solar system, it would have been detected a long time ago. We can calculate the positions of the planets very, VERY accurately these days, and the gravitational perturbations caused by a brown dwarf would be noticed almost immediately.

It's also worth noting that this idea that a brown dwarf would be invisible is absolute nonsense. If it was too cool to emit much light of its own, it would reflect the light of the Sun!

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Who is we exactly? There is no...... We, there is....... Them and Us. Nemesis is reported to currently be behind our sun currently, difficult to see, that is why they are watching it from the South Pole. With the distance it is estimated and given nobody knows the exact mass or size of the object, it is impossible to speculate if it's effects currently would have more effect on the Earth at this time greater than we are experiencing right now.

The article states that so far they have found NOTHING, including anything between Mars and Jupiter.

It's an article about a telescope that COULD find such a thing, IF it existed.

I'm kind of interested in knowing why there is this camp of people who are hoping for impending doom and the end of their lives. I can really only conclude that playing that card must be a purposeful attempt at spreading disinformation in the hopes of stimulating shock reactions, gathering attention, while under the cover of pretending to be uneducated to appear sincere, as a bit of amusement like trowing raspberries at grandma while hiding behind the couch.

Originally posted by Helious


Who is we exactly? There is no...... We, there is....... Them and Us. Nemesis is reported to currently be behind our sun currently, difficult to see, that is why they are watching it from the South Pole. With the distance it is estimated and given nobody knows the exact mass or size of the object, it is impossible to speculate if it's effects currently would have more effect on the Earth at this time greater than we are experiencing right now.

Ok, I can accept that "it" could be out of view and hiding behind sun. Is this the only time we try to study it, when we cant see it? We are moving, in a circle even and we will come around and there will be a point we would or should have line of sight on it. Even then, this thing has been heading this way for years and I cannot help but to think even then, other planets would have anomalies well before Earth would feel them. I am not intentionally trying to debunk any claims here, things just do not seem to be adding up, but I could be wrong, it has happened before.

How can something be behind the sun but visible from the south pole that neither of the two STEREO spacecrafts can detect?

Originally posted by 30_seconds
The article states that so far they have found NOTHING, including anything between Mars and Jupiter.

It's an article about a telescope that COULD find such a thing, IF it existed.

actually you're incredibly wrong. if you had read even the first two paragraphs of the article you'd know that. here's one sentence in particular directly from it

So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

WISE's mission and extended mission are over. it took a lot of data and now that's being sorted through. so far they've found a lot of things.

Originally posted by Illustronic
I'm kind of interested in knowing why there is this camp of people who are hoping for impending doom and the end of their lives. I can really only conclude that playing that card must be a purposeful attempt at spreading disinformation in the hopes of stimulating shock reactions, gathering attention, while under the cover of pretending to be uneducated to appear sincere, as a bit of amusement like trowing raspberries at grandma while hiding behind the couch.

Illustronic, it is a bit odd, but I can understand it. I think with all the crazy crap going on, some people feel that being incinerated by an asteroid or something along those lines would prevent a perceived notion that we may head into a one world government, be poisoned or get zombie raped in a Mad Max world (not necessarily in that order).

To me, that seems more the likely card to play, than disinfo or pretentiousness. But, it doesn't really matter.

Originally posted by optimus primal

Originally posted by 30_seconds
The article states that so far they have found NOTHING, including anything between Mars and Jupiter.

It's an article about a telescope that COULD find such a thing, IF it existed.

actually you're incredibly wrong. if you had read even the first two paragraphs of the article you'd know that. here's one sentence in particular directly from it

So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

WISE's mission and extended mission are over. it took a lot of data and now that's being sorted through. so far they've found a lot of things.

Lets look at the sentence before the one you quoted and combined the two.


"Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter."


They are telling us of all the findings so far. They found "more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter." Not a brown dwarf between Mars and Jupiter.

If they had found a brown dwarf in between Mars and Jupiter it would have read like this, "more than 33,000 asteroids and a brown dwarf were located in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter." That is not what was wrote so stop trying to misquote the article.

Well a little misleading but not really I guess. I mean NASA did just release information regarding the hypothetical star.

The article states that more than 33,000 asteroids are in the belt between Mars and Jupiter, NOT A BROWN DWARF!!

an ultra cold star?????...no need to worry then...

you see the way they calmly snuck that in.....an ultra cold STAR... ultra cold could mean anything when talking about a star......

by the way...these are the same claims that hitler made....

They nothing about finding Tyche....

It says WISE has discovered new stars but not where..

If there were a star of any magnitude between Mars and Jupitur, we would know it right quick. It would be fling asteroids out of the main belt like a machine gun.

Your finding what you want to find but it's not there.

"NASA uses WISE data to search for Tyche" would have been a more realitic title.

The problem is not The Brown Dwarf or Dark Star.

The problem is its planetary system.

And the big problem is its biggest planet... and its eccentric orbit...

WISE is a NASA mission, launched in December 2009, which scanned the entire celestial sky at four infrared wavelengths about 1.5 times. It captured more than 2.7 million images of objects in space, ranging from faraway galaxies to asteroids and comets relatively close to Earth. Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

yes it is very cool what WISE has found

but you are taking it out of context...33,000+ asteriods in the asteriod belt...134 NEO's which mean that they are closer then 28 million miles to earth far closer then the asteriod belt, the ultra-cold star or brown dwarf that it talks about was found when it scanned the universe, it doesn't say anywhere that it is in the asteriod belt because that would mean everything that WISE has found is located in the asteriod belt which is not true

& there were actually a total of 94 brown dwarf stars discovered i think...in the original WISE article, so this 1 must be in a certain locale to be highlighted

Originally posted by caf1550
WISE is a NASA mission, launched in December 2009, which scanned the entire celestial sky at four infrared wavelengths about 1.5 times. It captured more than 2.7 million images of objects in space, ranging from faraway galaxies to asteroids and comets relatively close to Earth. Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

yes it is very cool what WISE has found

but you are taking it out of context...33,000+ asteriods in the asteriod belt...134 NEO's which mean that they are closer then 28 million miles to earth far closer then the asteriod belt, the ultra-cold star or brown dwarf that it talks about was found when it scanned the universe, it doesn't say anywhere that it is in the asteriod belt because that would mean everything that WISE has found is located in the asteriod belt which is not true

It doesn't actually state where this Ultra Cold Star is located. Why do they not state this? Is it because it is too far off to actually determine the distance or it's locale?

I agree with many most posts on here that if it was close and therefore presenting any danger, then it would be visible by now. Nice find though.