Need to get a rifle, and a couple of hand guns - Educate Me, page 2


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reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:15 AM by pcrobotwolf
Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
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post by wasco2



The pistols are for home/self defense. I would like to get more than one because trying to find something my wife can even HOLD right is gonna be hard. She's super small and has super extra small hands.
Makes you feel like a big man huh lol wife extra small hands.



reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:19 AM by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by TraptInTheSystem
reply to
post by Subjective Truth



I agree with you that AK's aren't as accurate as an AR when compared, but they always shoot, atleast mine has.





Dont get me wrong they are reliable. But so are potatoe guns. I have found Aks to be very inaccurate over 100 yards.


If you do not have the money to buy a AR then a Saiga is a good solution.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:22 AM by wasco2
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Well, then your first priority should be getting her something she can shoot. I wouldn't go smaller than 9mm. Maybe one of the smaller S&W revolvers in .357 Magnum. You can load it up with .38 Special if the .357 recoil is too much for her. Best advice is take her around to a few gunstores and see what's comfortable in her hand. If you look for stores with ranges you might be able to rent one of any gun she likes. Glocks have fairly thick grips because of the double stack magazine. I have big hands anyway so it's never been an issue for me.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:36 AM by RickyD
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Honestly I had a S&W Sigma (it was the later version and didn't have the first gen. feed issues) the SD is the Sigma with a new name to get away from their early model feed issues. It's pretty much a glock copy but it's all made in the US not China like the glocks...in fact they're so close to the glock design they actually sued S&W and they settled outta court and with a tag of around 300$ and rebates for extra free clips it is a great deal. But the XDM is bout the nicest thing on the market right now. Just type XDM reviews in google and read up on the blogs you'll see. About the Rifle it all comes down to you. Do you know how heavy 200 7.62 rounds is...it's not light at all I can tell you that much. Now the 5.56 is light but that would mean an AR and with a direct gas blow back they get dirty real fast so unless you can keep it clean then what's the point it has to fire to be effective. The M14 fires the heavier round is good for long range the fact that people like AKs and SKSs means you'll still find plenty of 7.62 rounds. Also it isn't a direct gas blow back so it won't need as much cleaning. Really it's down to what type of person you are and what situation it would be used in. Also don't forget if money isn't an option go buy like 5-10,000 rounds cause that's gonna be the big thing. A .22 seems silly and not too effective until the guy with the .308 or whatever runs out of ammo and I'm still holdin 200+ rounds ya know.

ETA: if she has small hands the S&W SD is the gun for her it is thin mine fit in my hand so nicely and I don't have really big hands or anything. It was a 14rnd clip too and it was a .40 but if she needs something a little lighter on the recoil then they also make a 9mm SD as well.
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reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:42 AM by Subjective Truth
Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to
post by Subjective Truth



You mean like this one?

Saiga





Yep, I owned one in .308 they make them in .223----410 shotgun----12 gauge---7.62x39



It was a OK gun for the money I upgraded the stock to one like in your link. You have to be careful what mags you buy for them some dont work.



If you want a good .308 a Springfield M1A fits the bill. Also a Remington 700 is a great gun.



As far as handguns go Glock and Springfield make great guns. And they also both make compact guns for small hands and conceal.
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reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:45 AM by My.mind.is.mine
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I'm definitely gonna read a few reviews on the sigma. Nice recommendation.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 12:55 AM by tooo many pills
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine



If price is not an issue get:

Desert Eagle .50 for show and power
Glock 9mm for reliability
M4 Carbine rifle with a suppressor and scope for silent and accurate protection/destruction
Arctic Warfare Magnum to snipe large game with one shot kills
Maybe, a crossbow or a less powerful sniper for smaller game

That's my plan anyway
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reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 01:00 AM by brilab45
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Yeah....well ya gotta be able to shoot to be worth anything. Think about it. You can have a boat load of weapons, but if you can't aim straight............they ain't worth nothing. When it comes to times where we kill for food and others provisions, your fire power means nothing. There are people that will not fire a shot and take your stash.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 01:04 AM by tooo many pills
reply to post by brilab45



True, but the only way how to learn to shoot with those weapons is to buy them and practice.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 01:05 AM by brilab45
reply to post by survivalstation



Star to that post. Things are not what we think they will be in the advent of having to utilize such life saving procedures. Yea....shotguns will fire. The smart ones will be underground with their food and family.


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 01:07 AM by brilab45
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Certainly.....but how much can you practice under martial law?


reply posted on 27-4-2011 @ 03:13 AM by projectvxn
Ok...Lots of advice has been given here and I don't want to make you feel crowded OP. But there's a lot more discussion about AR vs. AK than there is actually giving you advice on the matter.

Things to consider when picking out a rifle for serious defense:

1. Your level of experience

2. What you are comfortable with as far as recoil

3. How much ammo you want to carry

4. What ammo is most readily available

5. What rifle parts are most readily available.

AK 47 rifles are, in fact, reliable and true to their legend. You can abuse the hell out of them and they will keep on going. BUT should something go wrong with the rifle it is much harder to quickly field strip and replace parts in a pinch. Not many gun stores will carry AK parts on the ready as many have to be imported and there are restrictions on that kind of thing. Secondly in a SHTF scenario the most common weapon you will find in the US is NOT going to be the AK 47 or any of it's offshoots. While 7.62x39 ammo is relatively easy to find anywhere, rifles chambered in it are not.

The AR 15 is a highly accurate and dependable rifle. It's parts are very readily available in the US and is a very modular weapon. Meaning if you have an AR lower assembly you can attach an upper to it in nearly any caliber configuration. It's design(straight line gas tube) make the recoil much more manageable and more accurate follow up shots can be made. The AR 15 has evolved a lot in the 40+ years it's been around. The problems of the past are no longer seen or have been greatly minimized as new design techniques, materials, and accessories have improved the overall functionality of this weapon.

The 5.56x45 round(and it's lower pressured twin the .223 Remington) are VERY common in the US and in a pinch you are guaranteed to be able to find some. It is so plentiful, as a matter of fact, that the military regularly sells off surplus of this ammo because they cannot use it all realistically. And that is with 2 ground wars going on.

I am not someone who gets down on the AK 47. I like the rifle just fine and if I were living in the ME or in Russia I would recommend it over the AR 15. But we are not in the ME or in Russia.

Pistols have been covered here pretty well.

But I would recommend you buy new, and here are the brands I would buy in your position:

XD45, Glock 23, Ruger SR9, and anything by S&W.

I hope I've helped a little.
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