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"Don't Be Alarmed. We're Martians"

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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky

Simonton was accused of lying or hoaxing by outsiders and who can blame them? Spacemen with pancakes? It’s too absurd to be true...


Might just be too absurd to have been made up.




posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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When they said 'we're from Mars,' we assume that Wilcox was ill-informed about Mars being barren. When other contactees (not the BS artists), said they'd been told Venus was lively, or that there were 10 planets in the solar system, we conclude that the 'contactee' was making stuff up.


Or the beings were smart enough not to give away their real homeplanet and making it easier for a simple man to remember.Instead of saying "We are from the planet Ylidiomph" they said a planet that the contactee was already aware of.If this was an experiment they would want to keep things simple.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Or the beings were smart enough not to give away their real homeplanet and making it easier for a simple man to remember.Instead of saying "We are from the planet Ylidiomph" they said a planet that the contactee was already aware of.If this was an experiment they would want to keep things simple.


It seems to at least be something worth considering; deception is an apparent theme of the phenomena. Another possibility is that they were studying us from a location much, much closer to home...




posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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That story of the motorist sounds to me like time traveling. The descriptions of the bikes and helmets seem modern. Our chin straps are not visible when we wear a full head helmet and the motorcycles are bigger, think Harley big. Great story!



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
It seems to at least be something worth considering; deception is an apparent theme of the phenomena. Another possibility is that they were studying us from a location much, much closer to home...


Judging from the questions Wilcox reported the Martians asking, the "aliens" knew he wasn't a dumb man and that he was knowledgable. So why would they assume he wouldn't know Mars is lifeless and try to deceive him about their home? However, in the pulp magazines and popular science-fiction of the previous decades, it was common to portray Mars and Venus as inhabited and lush. It is almost as if these beings were playing to expectations, not talking to him about anything outside his areas of expertise, knowing exactly what those areas were.
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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 09:26 AM
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Quite a story. Looks convincing to me, doesn't appear to be a reason for them to be faking it.

It always does in hind sight, or from a third person's perspective with the reality hat on to completely bin stories like these as they don't fit in with their reality.

Any idea if anything came off the pan-cake research the airforce (or who ever) conducted?
And the last one he kept for himself?

Great post, thoroughly enjoyed the read


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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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There's that oft-mentioned element of being sort of 'of the period' like the stories that did the rounds of airship pilots fixing their steampunk-style craft. Variations of the accounts seem to have come from places as far apart as South Africa, New Zealand and the UK.

In this case the 'Martians' were sorta 'of the period' and as 60s modern as the airship guys were 19th Century. It's conceivable...



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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Its taken a while but it if this thread is anything to go by, then the A+U forum is being revived.
what a refreshing thread, something worthwhile reading. I have never heard of these accounts before and boy are they strange pancakes on the lawn and aliens with trays, sounds incredibly bizaar however, how would we treat an alien species? would we not feed it? would we not study its surroundings? would we not converse with it if we so happened to encounter it?

All these things make perfect sense to me but hey I guess I am an alien. I mean considering our temperament as a collective species, what else would an alien do other than keep at arms length (put on the tv and watch the news if you do not know what I am talking about)

Do I believe that aliens landed in a garden and offered pancakes to a stranger - you bet I do, its not the first time pancakes have been mentioned with aliens, take a look below:




An alien is in my garden it landed there last night
Its very round and shiny it did give me a fright
For when I called this morning the door was open wide
and to my great amazement a green man stepped outside
He said hello and welcome and kindly was his plea to come right in and welcome to a cup of martian tea
we had green cakes and biscuits and green jam on our bread
we could have had green pancakes but chose green buns instead
I said "I had better go now" as the time was speeding by
He said "of course by all means, for I too now must fly"
Whilst I watched rather sadly the spaceship flew away
My garden seemed so empty, and suddenly the day!
I have just looked in the mirror its plain where I have been for when I stuck my tongue out I noticed it was green!



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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Great Post. well thought about without all the doom and gloom.
I am happy to see people taking this in a good light, this made people think and reply.
also 1 or two funny jokes too.
keep it up i look forward to reading all comments!.

thank you for bringing a smile to my face OP.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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What I don't understand is many early stories of ufo encounters tend to show genetic sample gathering and the like, along with general information gathering about certain cultural and survival aspects of our civilization (albeit in odd ways by someone whom didn't consider it from that perspective)...along with general psyops experiments (galactic meals on wheels type events) to observe interactions

Now, the psyops type operations I actually have no real problem with (even though those are the stranger / less believable stories) due to that being the whole point...however, the genetic gathering method is the thing that sticks as curious and slightly unbelievable.

If your an advanced race, gathering of such things can be done quite quickly, and the concept of fertilizer is not some obscure notion (plants need nutrents). One of the constants in the universe is that life feeds, and plantlife is no different, be it on earth, or klaatu, or zeta, etc...so the line of questioning makes little sense (unless they were doing a double function of psyops along with genetic sampling.

Now, if the stories were coming from today, the whole fertilizer thing would be met with high skepticism, not because of the debate on whether or not the fertilizer info would be of actual importance to them, but thinking like an alien, the easiest thing to do would be to simply tap into the net and simply download every scrap of information about it to begin with...why ask joe the farmer about his thoughts.

As far as psyops operations of today, well, I imagine they still would go on now and then, however, due to the immersion of alien contact as a almost norm, a global audience at your fingertips, and television dulling the senses...the test subjects (us) are not as "pure" as before and only would serve to show the evolution of psychological impact in a world already bombarding the average person...aka, our idea of weird has jumped many notches since the 60s.

Are these chaps talking insane stuff truely crazy? meh, I wouldn't say that. I would try to understand the actual intent of such an encounter and weigh the plausability (as best possible given the alien nature) of the encounters intent and see what the true motivation was beyond what the non-objective observer seen. Funny how if you step back for a minute, the truely weird makes more sense than the semi normal concepts when you look through the eyes of a possible alien agenda.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by franspeakfree
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Do I believe that aliens landed in a garden and offered pancakes to a stranger - you bet I do, its not the first time pancakes have been mentioned with aliens, take a look below:


So, the IHOP (International house of pancakes) may have to change its name to intergalactic house of pancakes then.

I am very disturbed that there was no offering if space syrup and butter however...the poor primitive spacemen



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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On one level, Wilcox' interaction and conversation with these guys seems to me like a possible distraction technique. It's like being kept on the front doorstep by a conman while the others are going through your bedrooms for jewelry and cash...

Asking a farmer about fertiliser is likely like asking a conspiracy-theorist who's mostly in charge of the planet...guaranteed to keep them there all day.


I could speculate all day about his account lol



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by letmeDANz
Any idea if anything came off the pan-cake research the airforce (or who ever) conducted?


Yes, it was determined to be a run-of-the-mill pancake.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Cheers for the kind words; I'm glad the thread's been taken the right way



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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The pancake encounter has some interesting parallels with stories of fairies from centuries back. Check it out in Jacques Vallee's book Dimensions. There are other interesting accounts that are similar to the fairy lore of long ago I won't go into, but it's a great research project for any nuts and bolts Ufologist.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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These encounters are bizarre and non-sensical on purpose.
For what particular purpose, is up for debate.
If you are even aware of the details of a handful of UFO-type reports by the everyday person, then one thing begins to become apparent: It's almost as if "they" are TRYING to not make sense.

Why?
Why are some of the reports that are considered most credible, some of the most contrary to reason and utterly absurd and ridiculous?
It almost makes it seem like it is, indeed, some sort of "candid camera" game.

I highly recommend Jaques Vallee's, "Messengers of Deception" for anyone wishing for the most palatable theory based on credible, solid research.
Frankly, anything by Vallee I highly recommend, but "Messengers of Deception" was a game-changer for me.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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right
the easy answer is crazy hoax..however, (not to sound profoundly nieve), but who would do that.
I mean, pancakes from space...

I took some mean drugs back when I was in my teens. stuff that literally eliminated reality and sent me into a different dimension kinda thing, and once it was over, I knew it was just a 'dream"...not just because of knowing that I took what I took, but because the whole sensation, perception, and else felt dreamlike and unreal from a clarity standpoint
(moral message interruption: Kids, don't do drugs...its like coating your existance in plastic...totally fake illusions..will make you feel good, but synthetically and only for a bit...hell, a tickle or hug has better long term effects)

So, the excuse of psychotropic drug experiments could account if they were giving the report while still tripping, however, the moment your back to normal, you know the differences and fakeness of the drug induced illusions and the dream state you fly into.

Crazy could be a answer also, although they would have to remain crazy forever, and ultimately these people go on to have a normal, albeit boring, life.

Liars? For what purpose? most of these people haven't written books, and only dealt with very negative consequences for speaking up, losing business, sometimes losing entire familys over their coming forward...and if your going to lie, at least make it a plausable lie (see: Billy Meirs)

Disinfo, or legit seems the only two real options here. since it could be either equally, its far more interesting to simply contemplate the point of the encounter moreso than face value to see if there is logic behind it beyond the firsthand account.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Hear, Hear! Does a species of entities exist who's pastime is to blow our minds and play malicious tricks on us?
The more you get into UFO research, it seems very possible, especially when you compare modern UFO encounters with fairy (not gay) encounters in the past.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by letmeDANz
Any idea if anything came off the pan-cake research the airforce (or who ever) conducted?


Yes, it was determined to be a run-of-the-mill pancake.


lmao...so "they" want us to believe that "they" traveled all the way to our planet from who-knows-where, possibly thousands or millions of light-years away at the most, or accross our solar system at the least, to..........

.......flip some flapjacks.

I'm sorry, as we say here in Texas: "That dog ain't gonna hunt."

And as far as the "medical harvesting" aspect of the whole alien-schtick, I also don't believe that "they" would have to continually subject a miscellaneous and random portion of the human population to a medical sampling ritual that borders on medieval torture.

Theoretically speaking, If they are such an advanced civilization, they would be able to do much more "research" with much less "sample", for starters.

No, I think the abduction/probing/sampling aspect is purely theatrics. Period.

IMO, the only thing they really want to harvest is fear, terror and confusion.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Everything was fine and dandy until you decided to demean people over prophecies/predictions...


Most anyone with an ounce of intelligence and the ability to search the internet will know that prophecies are BS and never come true. When they supposedy come true, it’s after the fact…’Yeah, well I said that would happen.’ We’re not talking about predicting the score-line or that old Uncle Jebediah won’t see another winter. Prophecies are big predictions.


I can link several prophecies/predictions which have been made BEFORE the fact and came true, but like always some people have to make false claims either because of their religious beliefs, or because they are not as intellgent as they think they are, since almost anyone this day and age can have access to the internet...

Seriously people should learn to grow the hell up.




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