Syria launches bloody new crackdown as U.S. threatens sanctions

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'Let Israel come and take Syria'

As Syrian security forces step up crackdown against demonstrators, desperate citizens plead for international intervention. 'Let the Jews come – anything is better than Bashar Assad,' says Daraa resident

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I don't think Israel is going to want anything to do with the mess in Syria.

The Turks might like to rebuild their empire though, they should ask them.

I would very much doubt that much will be done, apart from foot soldiers and tanks to a country on Israel's borders, in fact the location virtually guarantees they won't dare deploy depleted uranium weapons or anything to stir up war debris that would spread contamination over the border.

Its obvious all those different countries have been stirred up by some outside influence. This is purely about the insiduous change in currency reserves and oil reserves which affects the USA's economy. If the USA looses its worldly financial dominance of the US$ for reserves and oil purchasing, its economy will totally collapse as more and more countries exchange their US$ for currencies such as Euros, which the countries it is currently targeting have.

There has been much postering about invading Iran, but with her allies, the Russians and Chinese I suspect she is quite safe. When you have money to spare such as China has, she can afford to dump just enough US$ to turn a slip into a fast slide, which is probably the leverage that keeps Iran's oil flowing her way and the USA sulking.

China is partially behind this because it wants to ditch its $ reserves and is probably encouraging countries like Saudi to sell her oil for Euros. I suspect as every day goes by the US itself still has to pay for the weapons it fires and rockets ain't cheap like soldiers lives. Bet they wish they had not given so much tax payers $ to the banks who have already turned the USA's reserves into candy floss. .

Lets see how this will play out ..

I predict that before the 10 May .. UN/US will impose sanctions on Syria
and around the 20 May if Syria continu to kill protesters
UN will again impose a no fly zone that will be implemented by the US for the first air strikes

everything is ready for the 21 May
before the year end .. Iran will also get attacked

2011 is not even finish and things are getting worse on a level never see before in human history
now imagine 2012 ...

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Never seen in human history?

The 14th century was hands down the worst period in recorded human history.

The global population may have been as high as 450 million when it started.
The Mongol Conquests killed at least 30 million.
The Little Ice Age famine killed at least another 10 million.
The Black Death possibly killed 200 million.

Half the planet's human population died that century. By the end of that century Europe and China both had lost half of its population.

Originally posted by Maslo
This:
'Let Israel come and take Syria'

As Syrian security forces step up crackdown against demonstrators, desperate citizens plead for international intervention. 'Let the Jews come – anything is better than Bashar Assad,' says Daraa resident

Begging for the Jews over Iranian/Assad puppet rule is golden.

No, in fact it is absolutely remarkable and unheard of. Just shows the truth comes out in the end. Israel is the only tolerant country in the region, with Arabs, Jews, christians all living together with a decent standard of living.

Looks like the Arab League is now condeming Syria, but they dont say it directly at Syria.

blogs.aljazeera.net...

2:30pm The Arab League has condemned the use of force against pro-democracy protesters in several Arab countries, saying they "deserve support, not bullets".
In a rare statement on the unrest sweeping across the Middle East, the 22-member Arab League said it would ask foreign ministers to discuss this "serious situation" during a meeting scheduled for next month.

6:12pm Reuters - Members of the Syrian opposition meeting in Istanbul plead for international help to persuade president Bashar al-Assad to halt the brutal crackdown.
"Our friends in the West, in Turkey, in the Arab world, if they want to help us, then they can do that by... putting the clearest possible pressure on the Syrian regime to stop targeting civilians," said Anas Abdah, the British-based chairman of the Movement for Justice and Development.

9:58pm Rights group Amnesty International has urged the UN Security Council to refer Syria to the International Criminal Court.
“The Syrian government is clearly trying to shatter the will of those peacefully expressing dissent by shelling them, firing on them and locking them up,” Salil Shetty, Amnesty secretary-general, said in a statement.
“President al-Assad and those around him have to understand that their actions will have consequences, namely that if they gun down their own citizens the international community will hold them individually criminally responsible before the ICC or national courts of states exercising universal jurisdiction.”

Me thinks this is starting to go nearly exactly the same as the buildup to Libya went.

The despots are murdering their citizens, just like in Libya.
You'd think they would have learned after what happened to Egypt and Libya, but they calculate and conspired with their allies that the same couldn't happen to them. That is the conspiracy here. Assad has miscalculated along with his supporter Iran.
They are nowhere near powerful enough to get away with it like the Saudi Bahrain alliance is, US backing for the win.
When Egypt lost US backing Mubarak fell, when Kaddafi lost US backing he got blasted. Those that never had US backing fell easily.
Soon Iran will be isolated and all alone. When Iran citizens see the rest of the Arab world revolted and freed themselves of their tyranny, Iran will fall too from within. This is brilliant if you examine it all.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
The despots are murdering their citizens, just like in Libya.
You'd think they would have learned after what happened to Egypt and Libya, but they calculate and conspired with their allies that the same couldn't happen to them. That is the conspiracy here. Assad has miscalculated along with his supporter Iran.
They are nowhere near powerful enough to get away with it like the Saudi Bahrain alliance is, US backing for the win.
When Egypt lost US backing Mubarak fell, when Kaddafi lost US backing he got blasted. Those that never had US backing fell easily.
Soon Iran will be isolated and all alone. When Iran citizens see the rest of the Arab world revolted and freed themselves of their tyranny, Iran will fall too from within. This is brilliant if you examine it all.

The conspiracy against Libya is because Libya sells its oil for euros not US$ and the USA and probably GB doesn't like that. The second conspiracy is that the rebels, according to RT today were armed with French weapons before the fighting even started. This isn't a so called glorious spontaneous revolt its all coldly contrived, despite the knowledge that this action will kill fathers, mothers and children who have done nothing wrong.

The Iraqi war in 2003, wasn't over weapons of mass destruction it was because Sadam had from November 2000 sold his oil for Euros and stopped using the US$ as the world reserve currency. This one act caused 1 million deaths, has polluted Iraq with depleted uranium etc.

You make the point about 'despots' murdering their citizens yet infer, if I read you right, that its OK for the Saudi Bahrain alliance," US backing to win. Do you honestly think that its OK for the Bahraini Royal Family to arrest Doctors and nurses who helped the people wounded by either their own despotic actions or the Saudi despots? Those who have contrived this current state of unrest, which isn't finished yet and could still backfire are taking a huge gamble. Some of these countries such as Egypt could fall to the Muslim Brotherhood. This would create a Muslim barrier surrounding Israel on all sides. Do you think they would make nice despite Israel being such a tolerant and wonderful country you said it was in an earlier post?

Iran and Syria, as well as Yemen all hold their reserves in otherr currency than the US$. By having the dollar as the world reserve currency, this gives the USA a huge subsidy to its economy. All the countries of the world have to hold US$ in reserve so they must supply the US with goods and services in return for those $. This creates more and more credit for the USA. The more $ circulating outside the USA means more goods and services the USA can import virtually for free.

This is how the USA manages to run a huge trade deficit, which up till now has had no major consequences. By forcing countries to agree to the US$ as the only world reserve currency it get a huge free loan from the rest of the world. The USA's pressing problem is that if other countries convert to another currency for their reserves, it will have to start paying its debts, which it can't.

If you bring China, Japan, Russia, Brazil etc who want another currency to be used for the reserve, its going to be an interesting conundrum for the Fed and BOE.

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Sadddam was sanctioned since 1991 after the first gulf war, his oil sales were negligable and controlled for the exclusive use of purchasing humanitarian necessities (which he bypassed in the black market) so he did not effect the world markets in the least bit.

Another FAILED attempt at a conspiracy. With that, your whole other parts of the story are null and void, completely unraveled.

"Hopefully that will change with the Internet, but as long as vocal minorities, bots, and DOD operatives scour it in coordinated efforts to create a confusing majority in support of these things, it's not going to be easy to wake up enough Americans in time to wise up and stop the process." (quote)

unfortunately not to many americans have even awoken to the truth of 911 and still buy the official story. a lot of aussies and poms likewise.

I think its is comical the Arab League is condeming Syria when the biggest players in it are murdering their own citizens for the same reason, and even detaining medical staff attempting to treat the dissidents.

And I do apologize, but your claim of Israel being the most tolrant nation in that region is just, well its just plain wrong. The following videos are only a sample of how arabs are treated in Israel. Please dont make incorrect statements. What is a fact as that many MANY people outside the Arab world are perplexed as to why America and Europe support and turn a blind eye to the crimes of Israel.






Not to sidetrack the thread though, I dont believe there will be any kind of physical reasponse to Syria. The Security Council members will be unable to vote unanimously.

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Out of context videos mean nothing. The facts are that there are arabs who live in Israel of their own free will, they do not pack up and leave to go live in poverty and despair in the neighboring arab states.

I wont derail this thread any further about Israel, you were the one that brought it up after all. I just wanted you to be aware that I and most people on ATS will not believe your lies about how tolerant and Israel is towards its non-Jewish arab citizens. There is quite enough witness account, video documentation and news articles to disprove that myth.

In regards to Syria, you want to honestly tell me that there will a unanimous Security Council vote for any real action against them? At best, they will agree to universally condemn the actions of Syria and nothing more. Because they sure wont get a vote from Russia on unilateral force or flight restrictions after the displeasure they have shown in response to the Libya mission. I would doubt they will even vote on the sanctions.

However, I can agree that the US and some European countries will place their own individual sanctions on specific organizations, Assad and his family within Syria. There certainly will not be UN sanctions however.

Syria is quite different from Libya or Eqypt. These people have very valid concerns about their government and have done the only thing they can do, take to the streets to protest.

The Alawite tribes have seized the opportunity to sow confusion by throwing their hats into the ring, and have been attacking protesters and security forces alike.

You can give people guns, but they are not going to use them if they are happy. Syrian citizens are not the same as the opposition in Libya, and they truly want more freedom from the repressive Assad Syrian regime.

Hell, if Canada was ruled by one party with no chance of fair elections, that's the only reason I'd need to take up arms to overthrow.

Now they are askin for Israeli help? I don't know the source of that information, but if it's true, I think that's very telling. The Jews have the only real democracy in the middle east. And they treat their own people with respect unlike most Arab. "governments".

Yea its pretty messed up whats happening there. I doubt Israel or the US or even Europe will get involved. In fact, Israel and Europes involvement typicallly consists of asking or begging the US to take action! WTF!? Then they decide to scapegoat us when we do? Its no wonder Obama did not want to take command of the Libya operation.

Lets let Europe do all the damn work for once. Always askin us to do stuff, forget it. We got our interests in Afghan and Iraq to maintain for right now, and thats plenty good enough.

An why dont we let the citizens of said nations do on their own what many here on ATS has been demanding for years. For years people been going on about oh" they will revolt soon, they will revolt and overthrow their regimes" and now thats not good enough. Now The West has to get involved to. forget it, my vote is to let them be.

Cuz we sure allow Yemen and Bahrain murder their citizens during the protests. Let Europe deal with it. They are right next door anyways.

reply to post by DYepes


Russia will abstain from voting just like they did for Libya. They can't stop anything by abstaining on the council.
Russia is a non factor. If they see Syria fall after abstaining, they won't even criticize because they will want to get in good with the new leadership. Right now they are going to be on the sheetlist of the Rebels in Libya for vocally coming out on Kaddafi's side when he finally falls. They miscalculated early on and factored in that he was going to survive and stay in power. They won't make that mistake again.

Thats probably why they are going to vote no this time, due to their prior miscalculation. Contrary to popular belief, some people do learn from their mistakes. Your probably all excited that the entire middle east is being bombed out right now, but the only ones falling on Syria this year will be the ones they drop themselves.

Editing now to remind the community that Russia does have a naval facility in Syria(since 1971), which it has been modernizing to accomodate warships and possibly aircraft carriers. The first phase of those upgrades were expected to be complete in 2012.
This is an article from a year ago

Anyone who believes the Russians intend to just lose out on that investment are surely mistaken. China is already losing out on hundreds of millions of dollars in investments it had in the energy sector in eastern Libya, coincidently where the ARMED rebllion began.

Analysts have concluded these instigated rebellions are CIA attempts to push China and Russia out of the Mediterranian in order to solidify Western hegemony.

Thats is quite a hand to play, and I am of the opinion that the West would not be taking such risks unless something truly catastrophic outside anyones control will unfold in the immediate future, as in 1-2 years from now.

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No, they'll still abstain but afterwards instead of denouncing the operations, they will stay silent.