Originally posted by ViperChili

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane



Well I beg to differ.
A well regulated militia is formed by citizen who, when part of the militia, has every right to keep and bear arms.

All the text says is that there must be a militia and that any free man can be part of it and then have the right to bear arms.

Wrong again.

"I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. - George Mason, Founding Father"

You seem to enjoy adding words to established historical fact. The 2nd Amendment says nothing about the need to be in the militia in order to keep and bear arms. The people were the militia. Plain and simple.

"The great object is that every man be armed - Patrick Henry

Are you implying, as a Dane, that you know the Constitution better than 2 of Americas founding fathers?

Any text can be refuted by learned people and people who have an agenda.
You are just standing on the shoulders on those who agree with you.

You choose to ignore historical fact, because you have an agenda.

Well - we might be heavily taxed, but that is partly because we don't have to have health insurance. When we get ill or have an accident it is all paid for.

Also we have very few toll roads. It's all paid for.

We enter an old peoples home absolutely gratis. It's all paid for.

We get a state pension. It's all paid for.

All paid for by other people. I'm sure Denmark is paradise for the parasites who refuse to provide for themselves.

Perhaps if the citizens of Denmark were armed (like all free people should be), the Danes would have lasted longer than 2 hours when Hitler decided to invade. Instead, they relied on other people with guns to liberate them.

It seems it is a Danish tradition to not do for yourself and instead rely on others.

Guns don't kill people. People do. Bah Humbug.
It is so much easier with a gun isn't it?

Actually its easier with a car.

A gun is designed to kill. People buy a mere object that is designed to kill. It's probably that.

Are you ever correct about anything? A gun has but one purpose: To fire a projectile.

Where that projectile goes is determined entirely by the human operator.

My guns have never killed anyone. Are they defective?

Please quote the correct person. Some of your comments to me are responses to text quted from somebody else.

Originally posted by ViperChili
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Are you implying, as a Dane, that you know the Constitution better than 2 of Americas founding fathers?

No I'm not. I'm stating a fact that just because it is part of an old historical document it doesn't have to be right. Times have changed. In your society guns seem to be more important than compassion.

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I'm sure Denmark is paradise for the parasites who refuse to provide for themselves.

And you would be right. But know also that many of the people who don't pay for themselves are out of work because of the greed of multinational companies who are more than happy to have a branch in Denmark where they can "run in the red" and then use that as a reason for not paying taxes in Denmark, because they pay back on loans from their investors who for some odd reason demand huge interest rates - way beyond normal intrest rates.
Same companies sell their products in Denmark but have their goods produced in countries where they don't have to pay so high wages.
And for some odd reason the majority of those companies are part of American companies.

But most of us are happy with the system because we get medical care even if we are unemployed and can't afford an insurrance like you have in America. And we don't get a bill if we are transported by ambulance.

Perhaps if the citizens of Denmark were armed (like all free people should be), the Danes would have lasted longer than 2 hours when Hitler decided to invade. Instead, they relied on other people with guns to liberate them.

You should take a history lesson before you talk through your back side.
Denmark had a population of less than 4.5 million and a rather small army NOT based on aggression but defense. Against the might of the German army we would have had a large number of dead soldiers and civilians but we would still have been occupied. Our government decided that living Danes were better than dead ones.
We relied on nobody and had our resistance movement as other countries also had.

Also note that America only entered the World War when their own interests were threatened. As per usual.
Great Brittain took the brunt of that war. Not you. You just like to pretend you did.

It seems it is a Danish tradition to not do for yourself and instead rely on others.

Insults will get you cheap laughs and that's about it. But you are of course right. That's why we are doing business in Libya while you wait until we have almost finished. And as per usual you will wait untill it is almost finished and then you guys will come running with your Semper Fi crap.

Are you laughing yet?

I like America, just as everyone else. I love MERICA, but america will be judged

Exactly, its about expressing your humanity, or re-finding it!
If you listen to your inner self you will know whether a choice, whether a pay-cheque, or whether the filth coming out of the media is good for you. If you choose to do what you feel is right, and not what a pastor, priest, politician, boss tells you is right, you will be alright.
This is for everyone on this earth. Dont play the dirty game they want you to. Don't be controllable by putting crap in yourself.
Its like the old computer troubleshooting maxim Garbage In : Garbage Out.

The more people live personally right lives, and don't give money, time or support to the System in any way, the quicker things will get fixed.

Originally posted by VariableConstant
Vomit-worthy quote of the day (courtesy of WRH):

"Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do." -- NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani

....words escape me. Did he really say that?? How is that not setting off alarms in everyone's heads?

Originally posted by lostanima
I'd like to point out that there has never been any REAL opposition to the government (we can't do that, or we are terrorists!); even this tea party bull# is not even grassroots: IT'S FUNDED BY OIL BILLIONAIRES.

I see this being said by quite a few people. Koch Brothers, minions of the dark god Fossilfuelz, are funder/founders of the Tea Party!!

How do they fund it? Who gets the money? I've never gotten paid for attending a Tea Party. Why would they fund it? Nothing I saw or heard at any Tea Party changed my thinking in any way. I just saw a general agreement in government fiscal policy that can be summarized with two words: Less everything.

Less spending, less taxes, less withholdings, less credits, less loopholes, less taxcode, less bailouts, less welfare, less unemployment, less bureaucracies, less bureaucrats, less administrations, less administrators, less endowments, less grants, less loans, less regulations, less corruption.....and so on and so forth, all the way down the line, including less of the reviled and fearsome Temple of the Industrial/Military Complex. You get the idea.

So please, explain to me the thinking behind this. I am genuinely interested, but please don't respond with a link to a 40 page ATS thread.

Originally posted by Anon404
I want to add a separate post that's more concrete. Here are the areas that I feel the US needs the most work:
Criminal defense. Fact over 90% of all criminals in the US never see trial. While the US states pump tons of money to prosecutors public defenders get hardly any attention. Many public defenders don't even know who their clients are since the state overloads them with so many so they tell most to just plea bargain...

This could be fixed somewhat by: 1) Getting rid of the DEA and the ridiculous "War on Drugs" which, as we should have learned from the Prohibition experiment, does nothing but supply career criminals with money and power...and 2) Getting rid of the BATFE, or ATF. "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" should be a convenience store, not a government agency. These guys started out as a small crew of IRS agents--friggin' tax guys!!--charged with tracking down moonshiners. When prohibition was dropped, they didn't want to be shut down and lose their Gov't jobbies, so the Admins told them to start chasing down illegal weapons dealers/owners. That seemed pretty dangerous to these IRS accountant boys, so they got around it by entrapping private collectors at Gun Shows. Very annoying.

Housing. US housing has become too high. Buying a home should not cost much more than a years wage. These prices also trickle down to those who pay rent. Soon homelessness will be rife if these prices cannot fall. Homes should be homes not money market speculative investments.

Not sure what you mean by homes being "money market speculative investments" unless you are talking about investments in the company or lender corp itself. Private assets like homes are not available for purchase as stock in the exchange, but sometimes stock in a lending company specializing in homeowner loans may be purchased.
But it seems to me that excessive government subsidies, funneled through the Fannie and Freddie Fraudhouses to lending corporations in return for large bundles of sub-prime loans issued by the lending corps as per gov't regs, was pretty much the reason for the entire housing market thing. It was way too easy to get loans, so lots and lots of people got 'em and bought houses, which drove the prices up because that's how markets operate. The "Affordable Housing" crap legislation, in a beautiful display of so-called "unintended consequences", launched the price of housing way into the stratosphere. So much for "affordable". When Fan and Fred finally failed, the bubble popped, lending corps were stuck with stacks of sub-prime paper issued at government orders but which Fan and Fred could not purchase, leaving the lending corps with less-than-empty funding accounts. So the pop of that bubble started bringing the whole house of cards down. The politickers got "emergency" legislation passed which allowed them to use public funding to keep afloat anything they had a financial connection with("too big to fail" means "politicians own stock here"), everything else that was going down was blamed, CEOs perpwalked, etc. And here we are. Yay for government intervention.

Corporatism. Corporations have far too much power. I do not mean the small corp. I am talking the multi million corporations. These entities strangle small businesses, pervert political discourse, and move our jobs overseas while minimizing job growth domestically.

I agree with this too...but usually the reason a company can get so creaking huge is through supportive legislation. This would be one of the reasons for being wary of "industrial/military" type companies; the government has a vested interest in making sure that company has a clear path to work, which can result in some nasty entanglements of corporations and governments, resulting in an entity structured to compete for profits but with the power to enact laws in its favor. No fun. Keeping the government out of this would keep corps on an even playing field, where they would effectively keep each other down to a manageable size.

Finally using the tax code to effect policy. While I do not believe in a flat tax per se, a simple progressive taxation % on net income needs to be established so we can know how much everyone pays in taxes.

Yah, the tax code sucks. No one understands it, and I'm sure you've all heard how three different IRS agents, given the same account documents, will produce three different answers to what that account owes in taxes. Retarded.
I would really like a consumption rather than income based tax. That, it seems to me, would be the most fair. All taxes an individual pays is dependent upon how much that person spends. Rich folks, naturally, would pay a lot more per capita than poor folks or "middle class". And since the tax number--a percentage--would be the same for everyone, we would not have situations where one group is trying to raise the taxes of the others. If the tax got too high, everyone would stand up and give the Gov't a unified stare-down.

The problem is, none of this is any good for padding pockets of public officials! They must, after all, think about their livelihoods!!

Originally posted by lost artistic
And i should know. I live in a country you call socialistic but its still the greatest country to live in. Not said by us, but by the world! We pay 25 % tax to food and i pay 33% in income tax.The Gasoline cost around 9 dollar per gallon!! But we have healthcare. REAL healthcare. And we all have a roof on 470 dollars we pay for the doctor in total before we get a free card wich means we don't have to pay for doctor, perscription (Blue Perscription pills like Asthma related and ssri) or the shrink.

This system works and i know its badly comparable to your country since my coyntry is smaller than Texas. But you have the ability if you just let the taxes grow. Then your income will to and the country thereafter. EASY

Wow. "Let the taxes grow?" The countries you mentioned which are failing--a failure you somehow connected to Free Markets--have done just that. Their taxes grew, the "dependent class" grew, and now no one is making money to pay the taxes to funnel to the dependents. Fail.

Originally posted by TiberianPurifier
everyone knows obama sucks ..... he is the reason millions in US as well as all over the world lost jobs ...... and yet he won a peace prize !!! and that bush just wanted oil so he invaded the gulf

Well...the first statement above may be true now...or nearly. There is still a dedicated core of Obamabots remaining.

As for the second, well....I'm not defending Bush by any means, but I'm really tired of hearing this. If we went to the Gulf for oil, WHERE THE HELL IS IT?? Seems like we would have cheaper prices for petroleum products.

Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
No I'm not. I'm stating a fact that just because it is part of an old historical document it doesn't have to be right. Times have changed. In your society guns seem to be more important than compassion.

So...does that mean you think a person who owns guns is incapable of compassion?
I don't think that's what you mean...care to explain?
For the record, I own guns, and have a license to carry a handgun. Concealed or not. All of my family and many of my friends have the same.
None of us has ever been involved in any kind of gun violence. Ever. We don't have these guns--guns we followed all the laws to get, filled out paperwork, took tests, paid fees, etc--so that we can go strutting around, pulling iron on people and robbing them or something. We have them because, despite what some people may prefer to think, there are people out there who do get guns to do just that. But gun laws don't stop them...what's a stupid gun regulation, when you are prepared to kill a person? Sheesh. Complete gun control would achieve one of its desired effects...all "gun related accidents", such as a child being injured or killed playing with a carelessly stored gun, would be stopped. The problem, though, is that only lawful people follow the laws. So complete gun control here would result in the disarmament of myself and all of my loved ones. The criminals, who already break laws and thus don't give a shyte, will still have guns. And guess what! They will know I don't! How convenient for them!!
Plus, these days it looks like I might be happy to have them vs. my own dang government.

...but know also that many of the people who don't pay for themselves are out of work because of the greed of multinational companies who are more than happy to have a branch in Denmark where they can "run in the red" and then use that as a reason for not paying taxes in Denmark, because they pay back on loans from their investors who for some odd reason demand huge interest rates - way beyond normal intrest rates.
Same companies sell their products in Denmark but have their goods produced in countries where they don't have to pay so high wages.
And for some odd reason the majority of those companies are part of American companies.

In a global market, you are going to have companies moving around to get the best position financially. When there are localized regulations in place, they are often advantages to external companies, who then crush internal companies stifled by said regs. Unless you manage to take over every country and all peoples, consolidate their governments, and regulate the planet....wait, that sounds familiar....

But most of us are happy with the system because we get medical care even if we are unemployed and can't afford an insurrance like you have in America. And we don't get a bill if we are transported by ambulance.

This seems like....well...boring to me. You're happy with...medical care? That's all you guys want? I mean, with no job, what do you do all day, every day? Sit around waiting to get a neat disease?

Totally agree, we will not surrender meekly, the biggest menace to civilization though at this time is Islam, Never surrender, stand tall and take 20 of them with you.