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.Gator in Woman's Bathroom....are we violating the rights of animals with overpopulation?

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Treating animals with human rights is not treating animals with animal rights. Animals do things differently from humans?

You don't treat the Irish with German rights, do you?




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Treating animals with human rights is not treating animals with animal rights. Animals do things differently from humans? You don't treat the Irish with German rights, do you?

I surely hope that basic Human rights apply to Irish and Germans alike. Because they are Human beings. As for animals - there are no rights in animal kingdom, it is governed by different forces.
We have rights due to ages of civilization and due to guys who thought too much about morals and society and other things that do not mean anything to duck or gator.
We should respect animals. It is integral part of our habitat. But those animal rights are basically human ideas applied on unsuspecting and unaware animal kingdom.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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As long as we eat them we seem to have other moral problems.


ps. I don't.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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You imply that existentialism is the same for the human as it is for the alligator. As though humans and alligators perceive angst and happiness the same. Well, one is a reptile, the other is a mammal. Based on genetics alone, exitentialist thought is not the same in alligators as it is in humans. Neither is the existential definition of alligator rights the same as human rights.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Believe it or not, alligators have eaten humans.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by ccponzi
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Believe it or not, alligators have eaten humans.


Correct, but they didn't bred them to kill.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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I don't understand.
So many people believe one way or other they have a right to live by displacing (killing) other species.

just cos we have the tactical advantage & fire power we can do this?
is this survival of the fittest at its best?

do we know that animals do not have right, per say?
does anyone understand how each species survives and lives?
we have seen major advancements in the study of all non-human lives where they have displayed major social skills and the ability to live.
probably a million years later, they would have the capacity to have 'rights' of their own.

it really is sad that as humans we think way.
this i believe is the problem to the lives we live today



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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should we respect animals? yes

should we give them rights? no

how many animals are going to be able to file a grievance against a human in a court of law?


seriously though, 99% of all species on this planet are already extinct due to other factors besides human overpopulation. but thats the beauty of an evolving planet.
edit on 25-4-2011 by BlesUTP because: spelling



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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If there is only one percent of animal life left on this planet....as you hypothesize.....then overpopulation will eliminate the last of them.

Except the insects. The insects looks as though they will outlast the humans.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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There you go with that convoluted form of existentialism of yours, you think you know what an alligator is thinking.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by ccponzi
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There you go with that convoluted form of existentialism of yours, you think you know what an alligator is thinking.


I know it, you are correct. It doesn't hate, he it isn't greedy - it's just hunger. Peace Out.
edit on 25-4-2011 by cushycrux because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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im talking about 99% of all species ever. most species that evolved over the course of time are already gone. but without those extinctions, humans would never have been. just as other organisms may never be without extinctions. its of my opinion that extinctions, while they can be human induced, are quite a naturally occuring phenomenon.

this nat geo article lays it out pretty well.

science.nationalgeographic.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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What a disgrace humans are to the world and to themselves.
Those alligators have been there for millions of years longer than these morons, and they consider it a 'nuisance' because it is over 4 ft long. I believe these gators find them to be quite a nuisance as well.

Pepper spraying squirrel? WTF

If depopulation is on the elite's agenda, then clearly, they have thought this over much more than the people who protest it.

edit on 25-4-2011 by laiguana because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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you also belong to the group known as humans you so eagerly demonize and lump under one umbrella.


advocating for depopulation. well done



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:43 PM
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Over population isn't the problem, it's population density.

Look at the prairies, deserts and tundras and tell me we're violating the rights of rattlesnakes and caribou. If the animal can be caught by the animal control officers it should be released away from populated areas, the only time it should be destroyed is if the homeowner kills it him or herself and preferably eats it so as not to waste.

Our impact demands greater consideration but a handful of gators getting into people's bathrooms when they live near a swamp isn't proof of overpopulation so much as proof of people living too damn close to a swamp.

If it was 15 gators in 5 bathrooms a day then we might have a serious issue, but animals encroach on our habitats just as we encroach on theirs, so unless we start locking each other up in people jail and animal jail for trespassing there's no violation of animal rights.

not in this story anyway.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by BlesUTP
should we respect animals? yes

should we give them rights? no


Rights are not given, they simply are.

When we kill something, we are infringing on its right to life. This goes for people, animals, plants, fungi, etc..

It is legal to infringe on the rights of some beings. I can legally pull up all the weeds in my garden; I can not legally beat my dog. This does not mean plants have no rights, just that the justice system is human centric; however it does acknowledge some rights of other species in the animal kingdom.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Much, if not most of earth is uninhabitable.

As the comedian Sam Kinison said about the starving Africans in the Sahara: Don't send them food. Send them U Hauls. Tell them to move. They are living in a desert. Tell them to go where there is food.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Alligator hide is high on the market today. Alligator shoes, suitcases, belts, cowboy boots. You name it. Alligator farms are found all over Florida, for harvesting. Alligators are thriving in the wilderness because of moratoriums on hunting. Now, hunting is not only allowed, it is encouraged. Any creature that can survive as cunningly as the gator deserves respect....and rights. We all should learn to survive like the gators. Gators are routinely killed when they become overpopulated. That's the way it is with every species, including humans.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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We probably still haven't identified half the species that existed during the Jurassic period.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Know what the alligator and the great white shark have in common: if you roll them over onto their backs, they'll go into a trance.

This was learned about the great white shark by watching Orcas kill them. Somehow the Orca knew that by rolling the great white over on its back, it went comatic.



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