Hawaiian Senator said Obama not releasing long-form BC to hide identity or citizenship of his father

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Read the book"The Roots of Obamas Rage" for a ot of insight into a shattered mind




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Byteman
LMAO, a printed computer generated list?
How official.


Can I honestly ask you what you would accept as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:23 PM
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if you go to the site www.nstarzone.com and look at the top"permanent" links,you will see the entire story that I posted and had removed by someone who cant stand the truth about barrys being a drug mule and male prostitute



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Byteman
LMAO, a printed computer generated list?
How official.


Can I honestly ask you what you would accept as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii?
the entire legal birth certificate that he refuses to divulge would help....



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
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Read the book"The Roots of Obamas Rage" for a ot of insight into a shattered mind


It will prove he was born in Indonesia to me?


2. CLAIM: Obama initiated financial, auto industry bailouts

D'Souza twice indicates that Obama initiated the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and the federal bailout of the automobile industry. From page 5 (emphasis added):

As Obama launched his spending spree -- a bailout plan followed by a stimulus plan followed by an automobile industry rescue plan followed by a national health care plan and then new environmental and financial regulations -- I became alarmed.

From pages 17-18 (emphasis added):

At the same time, Obama has transformed the relationship between American citizens and their government. He has passed the most significant raft of laws since the Great Society: the bank rescue plan, the auto industry bailout, the stimulus package, sweeping regulation of Wall Street, a complete remaking of the health care system.

REALITY: Both programs were begun under Bush

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 (commonly known as the bank bailout) was signed into law -- as its name indicates -- on October 3, 2008, by then-president George W. Bush. In December 2008, Bush announced that $13.4 billion of the funds allocated by Congress for the bank bailout would be loaned to General Motors and Chrysler to prevent the companies from collapsing. Bush said at the time: "In the midst of a financial crisis and a recession, allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action. The question is how we can best give it a chance to succeed."



5. CLAIM: Obama "support[ed] the release" of the Lockerbie bomber

D'Souza writes that Obama sometimes "supports the release of terrorists who claim to be fighting wars of liberation against American aggression," citing as evidence a letter the Obama State Department sent to the Scottish government which, according to D'Souza, took the position that releasing Abdel Baset al-Megrahi -- the Lockerbie bomber -- "was acceptable." From pages 43-44:

Obama's anti-colonialism, however, takes him far beyond the rejection of mere symbols; in some cases, he supports the release of terrorists who claim to be fighting wars of liberation against American aggression. In July 2010, reports surfaced in the British press that the Obama administration favored the release of Abdel Baset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber. This was an eye-opener, because when Scotland released Megrahi from prison and sent him home to Libya in August 2009, the Obama administration publicly protested the decision. Obama reaffirmed his position on Megrahi's release when British prime minister David Cameron came to visit in July 2010. The president's public sentiments seemed entirely appropriate: Megrahi, after all, had been convicted in connection with the 1988 bombing of a Pan Am Jet [sic] over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people, most of them American.

But a few days after Cameron departed, the British press obtained a letter that the Obama administration had sent a year earlier to the Scottish government. The letter seems to show that Obama's public outrage was contrived. In fact, the Obama administration took the position that releasing Megrahi on "compassionate grounds" was acceptable as long as he was kept in Scotland. This option, Obama said, would be "far preferable" to sending him back to Libya. Scottish government officials interpreted the letter to mean that U.S. objections to Megrahi's release were "half-hearted." So they let Megrahi go back to his own country, where he lives today as a free man.

REALITY: Obama opposed Lockerbie bomber's release

D'Souza distorted the contents of the State Department letter, which actually indicated to the Scottish Ministry of Justice that the "United States is not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail." The letter further communicated that if the Scottish decided to release Megrahi, the U.S. position was that they keep him in Scotland and not repatriate him to Libya: "If Scottish authorities come to the conclusion that Megrahi must be released from Scottish custody, conditional release on compassionate grounds would be a far preferable alternative to prisoner transfer, which we strongly oppose."



6. CLAIM: The Obama administration "refuses to make the [Lockerbie] letter public"

D'Souza also claimed that the Obama administration has not released the State Department letter regarding Megrahi, "probably because of its incriminating content." From page 44:

While the American press has downplayed the story, the families of the Lockerbie victims now know about the Obama letter and want to see it. Yet the Obama administration refuses to make the letter public, probably because of its incriminating content. Now why would a U.S. president take such a benign view of a terrorist striking out against America? I cannot think of any possible explanation except for one. On the anti-colonial explanation, it is because Obama views Megrahi as a resister who was striking out against U.S. imperialism. That is certainly how Megrahi portrayed himself at his trial.

REALITY: The administration posted the letter online months ago

The State Department made public the letter it sent to the Scottish government regarding Megrahi's release -- called the Lebaron Letter -- in a July 26 press release.

7. CLAIM: Obama "time and again" called BP "British Petroleum"

In discussing Obama's response to the Gulf oil spill, D'Souza claimed that in his May 14 remarks, Obama repeatedly referred to BP as "British Petroleum," leading D'Souza to conclude that Obama was expressing his alleged "anti-colonialism" by reminding "Americans of what BP used to stand for." From page 47 (emphasis added):

Finally, addressing the TV cameras on May 14, 2010, Obama managed to work up some enthusiasm. Time and again he condemned "British Petroleum" -- an interesting term since the company long ago changed its name to BP. Given our anti-colonial theory, it's no surprise that Obama wanted to remind Americans of what BP used to stand for. He was equally outspoken in whacking the other oil companies for their "ridiculous spectacle" of "pointing fingers of blame."

REALITY: Not once did Obama say "British Petroleum"

As Media Matters noted, Obama didn't once use the term "British Petroleum" in his May 14 remarks, instead referring to the company as "BP." Later the same day, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin appeared on Fox News and similarly condemned BP for "playing the blame game," only Palin -- unlike Obama -- actually did refer to the company as "British Petroleum."



13. CLAIM: Networks and newspapers "pretended not to notice" Wright's "incendiary comments"

D'Souza writes on pages 145-146 that when the story regarding Rev. Jeremiah Wright's inflammatory sermons broke, "the networks and major newspapers pretended not to notice." Singling out the New York Times, D'Souza claims that the paper "refused to report" on Wright's comments "for more then two months":

Obama's lactification technique also came to his rescue during the Jeremiah Wright controversy. This was a very dangerous scandal for Obama. I threatened to expose him as a radical masquerading as a mainstream centrist, and anti-colonial revolutionary posing as an "aw shucks" all-American. Let's see how Obama got out of that one. Remarkably, no one in the mainstream media had paid much attention to Wright; in fact, hardly anyone bothered to investigate Obama for anything. [...] It was the conservative media -- notably Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel -- that first began to report on Wright. Even when the Wright story broke, the networks and major newspapers pretended not to notice. The New York Times refused to report Wright's incendiary comments for more than two months, and then bowdlerized them to make them sound tame. Here is how the Times portrayed Wright's remarks about 9/11: "Mr. Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies." That's it. Nothing about God damn America or chickens coming home to roost!

REALITY: ABC broke the Wright sermons story, which was covered extensively by networks and newspapers

Wright's controversial sermons were first reported on ABC -- one of the networks that D'Souza claims "pretended not to notice" the story -- by investigative correspondent Brian Ross on the March 13, 2008, edition of Good Morning America. The New York Times reported on Wright's sermons on March 15 -- two days later, not "two months," as D'Souza claimed -- and that article quoted Wright's "chickens coming home to roost" comment. Wright's comments were also the focus of a front-page March 15 Washington Post article, and a March 15 Los Angeles Times article. A Nexis search of the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today for "Obama and (Jeremiah w/2 Wright)" for the two weeks following the breaking of the Wright story returned 131 hits.

Similarly, NBC's Nightly News reported at length on Wright on March 15, and the CBS Evening News covered the story on March 14. A Nexis search of the three major broadcast networks for the same terms over the same time period turned up 90 hits.
"Roots" rooted in lies

Sounds like a good one. Perhaps you can recomend something not full of lies?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
the entire legal birth certificate that he refuses to divulge would help....


You are going to need to be specific. The short form posted online is what Hawaiis says is the FULL LEGAL birth certificate so what EXACTLY are you asking for? Do you know what you are asking for? Please be specific and try to sound like you know what you are talking about. I want to take you seriously.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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He shouldn't have tried to state his cert of live birth was the real mcoy. He has created this himself.
Go Trump, never thought I'd say that.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:33 PM
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There is anohter "Birth Certificate",locked in a vault,that contains much mor info than the one relased "on-line"..only the owner of tha cretificate can authorize th release of the document...if he is legal,and all is above board with his name,parents,etc,then all he has to do is relase it...that would put an end to all this...yet he has resisted rlease of it since his early days of public life...why?..thats the one I want to see,...



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Third Hawaiian official denies that Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama "Criminal-In Chief" was not born in Hawaii...

Not born in Hawaii:
edit on 25-4-2011 by truther357 because: and again



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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the book,the Roots of Obamas rage sheds light into his thought processes....hes a socialist because his kenyan daddy was one and influenced his thought process' that way...as for that loon wright,I heard him say G..D... America in a speech....but barry is the one i worry about not some half nutter's like wright or farrakhan...as for the exposing" of the uthors misstatements,where are your exposes of barrys dodging and jumping of the facts?
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
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There is anohter "Birth Certificate",locked in a vault,that contains much mor info than the one relased "on-line"..only the owner of tha cretificate can authorize th release of the document...

Ummmm...no. None of that is correct. There is a registration on file and even Obama cannot relase it. All he can do is ask for a copy. Perhaps you can explain this strange practice it sounds like you just made up?
The fact that you birthers do not even know what you are talking about when it comes to birth certificates is kind of the dead giveaway that you really do not care about it.


if he is legal,and all is above board with his name,parents,etc,then all he has to do is relase it...that would put an end to all this...yet he has resisted rlease of it since his early days of public life...why?..thats the one I want to see,...


OK, let's say he "releases" this imaginary document you think is hidden in a safe. You will just accept that then? How will you know it is real? How will you know it was not forged? At the moment your conspiracy claims that the entire State of Hawaii is already lying to the rest of the country so please explain to me how you would then confirm the legitimacy of this document you are asking for.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by truther357
reply to post by truther357
 

Third Hawaiian official denies that Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama "Criminal-In Chief" was born in Hawaii...


Hussein Obama was not born in Hawaii:


"Page not found" @ blogspot.com.

Bet that was compelling.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Dhimmie
He shouldn't have tried to state his cert of live birth was the real mcoy. He has created this himself.
Go Trump, never thought I'd say that.


Hawaii says it is the real McCoy.
What do you say to that then?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
reply to post by Sinnthia
 


the book,the Roots of Obmas rage sheds light into his tought processes...

Based on years of close, personal exposure by a qualified psychoanalyst?

hes a socialist because his kenyan daddy was one and influenced his tought process' that way...as for that loon wright,I head him say G..D... America in a speech....but barry is the one i worry about not some half nutter like wright or farrakhan...


His daddy that did not raise him? Like I said, the book is full of lies so no thanks.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
reply to post by Sinnthia
 
There is anohter "Birth Certificate",locked in a vault,that contains much mor info than the one relased "on-line"..only the owner of tha cretificate can authorize th release of the document...if he is legal,and all is above board with his name,parents,etc,then all he has to do is relase it...that would put an end to all this...yet he has resisted rlease of it since his early days of public life...why?..thats the one I want to see,...


For folks like me in the UK who have trouble decifering what is the truth around the legalities of a long birth certificate it would eliminate the confusion, disagreement etc etc if somebody was to post their long format here on ATS.

So Homedawg your the man. Please post a copy of your long format birth certificate here on ATS so we can all see what one should look like. This would also eliminate all the non birther claims of legality issues.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Your mind is made up I see....looking into mistakes in my info instead of checking into things on your own...there IS another document...the Governor of Hawaii said so himself and said HE couldnt get access to it....I wish you well in life as a rone under your chosen leader....liberals are all the same midless followers of someon who sounds good on TV when reading off a teleprompter....



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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The cover up has nothing to do with BO being born in the US. The deal is the birth certificate proves Obama is a bastard. Barry is the offspring of Frank Marshall Davis. The mother was a revolving door for men. There was a reason the Kenyan "father" did not hang around, as Michael Jackson once sang, "She says I am the one, but the kid is not my son".



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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Sorry...too much hatred on here for me...Im just an old man who wnats to know the truth...not argue with a bunch of mindless drones...



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by filosophia
www.dailymail.co.uk...


It could have to do with what his name is on the birth certificate, who is actually listed as his father, the citizenship of the father,' Slom elaborated.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...



While people debate if he was born in Hawaii, the media never brings up that the place of birth may not be the number one reason as to why Obama is not releasing the BC.


I watch, listen and read so many reasons why Obama was never qualified to run, let alone hold the office of President of the United States and while I feel sure many of these claims are validate, the fact is he is now the President and that is where the most serious problems began.

Almost as a sign of what was to come, President Obama or whatever his true name may be, screwed up his Oath of Office and then in the attempt to correct the mistakes, goes on to make it worse by conducting another "Swearing In" where there is no Bible present whatsoever; Ominous to say the least.

The fact is, if he had been a "Good President" from then on, I would treat his presidency just like I would treat the naming of a CEO of company I held stock in who had questionable qualifications; if he did a good job, that is what would truly matter and that is the basis upon which I judge Barrack Obama...based on the job he has done since getting or being given the job, as I have no doubt whatsoever that Elections Are Rigged.

All the details aside, including the serious possibility that Obama is a "Groomed Puppet" fed us by the same people that pulled the strings on Bush and Clinton and Bush and so on all the way back to JFK, who they could not control and murdered for his taking his oath of office seriously...all this aside, I judge Obama based on what he has done since taking office.

So okay, look around. Look at what he has done. Do I need to make a list? Could our worst enemies have done a better job of shoving our country down the drain? Is there any damage that Bush did, any lie that Bush perpetuated and took every advantage that Obama has not doubled, tripled, quadrupled?

Do I need to make a list? Is there anyone here whose life is better, that isn't feeding at the public trough? Is there anyone here who feel safer or are most here like me: Never Flying unless it is unavoidable; never driving across country without worrying about the gauntlet of State and Federal armed thugs and pirates looking for their next victim.

Jobs? We are really at about 22-15% unemployment, to say nothing of the under employed; the over qualified and over educated who are now stuck with student loans and jobs they have been better off being High School dropouts and having fun for a time, than going through hell to now have.

Do I blame Obama? Heck no, he is just a puppet, surrounded by puppets and there is not a loyal American amongst them and if there was, he or she would be fired or worse in no time.

Our ship is full of holes and sinking. Many of my affluent friends have left and here we are talking endlessly as Obama prepares to go down with the ship he now captains. Point, none of this B S matters now, the damage took years to get to this point and Obama is just the Poster Child for the destruction of the American way of life. Those who groomed and slotted him into the Presidency knew he was perfect for the job and I have to admit, America deserves Obama, we all deserve what has been done to our country for now stopping the buck at every turn. 9-11 and allowing that to not be account for was a sacrifice to the Devil that has now engulfed our nation.

Getting him out of office will change nothing but distract us while their control grid is firmly put in place, all people are identified and put into their data bases, our borders sealed up (not to keep illegals out but to keep us in) and while many want to make this a White-Black-Minority issue, the fact is we are all being turned in to a bunch of N (dare not say the word but you know what I mean I hope you note that this White Guy feels like a N too).

and here is another from maybe the last man in America who knew away to get away with telling the truth in our nation of liars, thieves and murderers.
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
Your mind is made up I see....

Actually yes it indeed is. That is the result of looking into EVERY SINGLE claim made by birthers until there was nothing left to look at. That also comes from understanding certain laws in this country. Coming from a state that issues short forms only myself kind of tipped my hand here. EIther I can never be president just because NY state decided to screw me or the very base birther claim fails from the get go.

If you have something compelling, truthful, factual, verifiable that you think would or should change somene's mind then please show it. All I ever get are lies from WND and Corsi that are so easy to debunk with real facts that it is a joke anyone would ever use them.


looking into mistakes in my info instead of checking into things on your own


That is quite an assumption and could not be more wrong. I have looked into everything. Unfortunately it is not my job to provide sources for the lies birthers tell. They need to back them up. My asking for proof does not mean I have not looked into anything myself. It actually means I have and feel pretty confident about the outcome.


...there IS another document...the Governor of Hawaii said so himself and said HE couldnt get access to it....


Yes, I know. That would be the registration that is on file. I referenced that.


I wish you well in life as a rone under your chosen leader....liberals are all the same midless followers of someon who sounds good on TV when reading off a teleprompter....

Dispelling nonsense rumors and lies is hardly the same as blindly following anyone. You have no idea how I feel about Obama as president but you clearly pin it down as either you are a birther, or an Obamabot. Sorry but that dog won't hunt.

Oh and that teleprompter thing? What is that all about? You lost me there? You mean



these things? Yeah no offense but we have enough uninformed Americans opining on internet rumors and partisan chain emails as it is. Perhaps I should start getting more vocal about how people do things in their coutries as if it were my business. I can probably be at least as informed as the foreign birthers are.





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