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Hawaiian Senator said Obama not releasing long-form BC to hide identity or citizenship of his father

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Well....I see we woke up Obama's, Marxist & Soros 'Talking Heads' at Fact Check,Media Matters,DailyKos, Fight The Smears, Huffington Post-AOL, St.Peters Time-PolitiFact and MoveOn..All talk (BS)and no documentation!

First..If there is another Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama bc..and it is (1961) real? It would state that Obama was born in Kenya and his father's nationally would be stated as Negro and not African like the forgers at Fact Check and Politi Fact put on their 'illegal document' photo copy Obama birth certificate...Sure fooled the idiot's at the Federal Justice Dept.

I've posted the overwhelming documented forensic annalist many times on ATS and it is proof that we have a lying "Criminal-In Chief"...Marxist-In-Chief"


And this is also why we are boycotting the treason state of Hawaii:Boycott the Treason State of Hawaii:




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Becoming
reply to post by dereks
 


Okay, lets say it is a birther lie and I'm a sleeper birther trying to take Obama down from the inside.

You found me out mighty keyboard commando.

I still have a problem with the fact that several people have said to have seen Obamas actual long form BC with their own eyes and know exactly the where abouts.

Oh no, that means that there really is a long form. That has to be another birther lie too, right?

By the way, you can still get a copy of the long form if you was issued one in hawaii.


The certificate of live birth provided by the President clearly states that it is supported by other documents on file in the state of Hawaii which document his actual birth in that state. No one said that a long form certificate didn't exist, only that it wasn't going to be released just to satisfy a bunch of conspiracy nuts.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. All I can tell you is, good luck with that. I can see it the headlines now; "State Of Hawaii Brought To It's Knees By Birther Boycott."



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by mileslong54
I'm sure as President they can make you whatever you wish ID, birth Certificate....the fact remains the same no one from his graduating class remembers him, no former girl friends, friends have ever come forward and he won't let Colombia release anything about his time spent there. No one remembers him from classes, no speeches (in which he makes quite often now) nothing....where did this guy that so many people voted for come from?


Do yo mean that none of his acquaintances have contacted you personally to verify his background? Why don't you post your personal contact information on the web and ask for them do so and see what happens? Who know you may get a call or two.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:29 AM
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I would agree that it shouldn't be released if he hadn't released the short form to satisfy the nutjobs.

Like I said before, he has already acknowledged them and has done nothing but contribute to this growing nonsense. If he had ignored them then I would agree 100% that they don't have any right to demand something that has never come into question for other presidents. However, he didn't ignore them and in a sense, when he abosultely refused to release the long form, has given them a better platform for their arguement.

When I brought up the religion aspect that got attactked by a keyboard commando, I was simply putting out there that he is possibly hiding something that is of no consequence that will most likely be blown out of porportion.

In the end, it would be better for everyone if he just released it. That way nobody will have to hear this nonsense any longer and we would have something new to laugh at.

Honestly I just wish he had ignored them from the get go.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by truther357
First..If there is another Barry Hussein Soetoro Obama bc..and it is (1961) real? It would state that Obama was born in Kenya and his father's nationally would be stated as Negro and not African like the forgers at Fact Check and Politi Fact put on their 'illegal document' photo copy Obama birth certificate...Sure fooled the idiot's at the Federal Justice Dept.


Oh, so he has a long form, original, Hawaiian birth certificate, certifying his birth in Kenya?
Well that makes sense.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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Well, Happy Monday, the Government Shills are out in full force today...

Before anyone else let's them get you all worked up, remember, we all have a job to do


There was a great recent thread about moving past this issue and concentrating on his college years and the fact that nobody remembers him or can even prove he existed.

This stinks to high heaven of CIA operative or worse..



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:00 PM
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Im not a birther.. in fact, I am only passively watching this whole debate as there are larger fish to fry at the moment.. HOWEVER:

I dont like Obama as a president for the same reasons I didnt like Bush... but Obama has spent an incredible amount of money on this birth certificate nonsense.Though I agree with some of the anti-birther stuff, he has never shown his long form and I feel that is a fact. I tend to think that he WAS born here... but the BC may contain information on it that is more of a person issue than a birth place issue. Things that the newborn wasnt a part of but the adult man could unjustly pay for by a very judgmental public.

Since we are all speculating, let me add a few speculative ideas:

He was listed as white and not black. Kinda rough to be the first black president when youre half and listed as white. I saw the "African" thing and thats simply laughable.
His father is not the father listed on his BC. Adopted or blank or whatever... Obama chose to recognize his real father as an adult and shouldnt be held to the fire for it.
Since Obama started running for Prez it has been tossed around that his real father was Malcolm X due to who the mom hobknobed with and the similarity between the two.
A father wasnt listed at all.
His name was not Barack Hussein Obama originally.
And several more SPECULATIVE issues that could be the case since not one of us knows the truth yet.


SO many things that are possibilities and to center on him not being an American citizen is counting out the more likely scenarios given the time in which he was born, his mothers odd behavior and identity issues, and more common things that would hurt him but he had no way to prevent it as he was a newborn when it occurred. People already ridicule his half black status ( yet claiming to be the first black president) and parentage rather than judging him on his performance as Commander in Chief, could you imagine the nonsense if he was born Barry Soetero or listed as white?





Im older... I got to gripe about Carter, Reagan, Bush1, bush2, Clinton, blah blah blah... I even recall the horror over Geraldine Ferraro daring to run for VP because she had a vagina. Oh the HORROR! We're all choosing ridiculous things to center on concerning judging the leaders of our country... and theyre all corrupt and have skeletons... they also all lie and it comes out in the wash. Then we can all feel stupid for supporting harmful leaders and adroit liars together in the end. Kumbaya..


PS
some of the birthers on ATS are misinformed/lying about a few things... and its making you all look like lunatics. Stick with the facts when youre speculating
The one that gets me is that Ive had a passport since 1976 and have renewed it every 10 yrs.. and I have NEVER been asked to show a "long form"... only the common BC we are all used to using for ID purposes. This isnt the only BS Ive seen, but its the most simple one to put to rest.. and has been a hundred times yet still said as if its fact.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by SerenityGained
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I'm sorry, but that proves absolutely nothing. I can't even be sure it's the US Presidents


It lists his place of birth as Hawaii, and includes his religion as Islam. There is no letterhead, nor any identifying marks to determine where it was from. Rather then just repeat news, make some of your own.

Look. Just fly over to Hawaii, sign up and view his birth cert. If that's all it takes, then wouldn't you be a better person to explore the truth rather then dwell in half-truths?

Sen


Sure - it couldall be made up -as could Obamas story, which is why, faced with the innumerable questions - he needs to demonstrate conclusively to the American people just who the hell he is!

How about an eye witness testimony!




On pages 59-60 of "The Obama Nation", Corsi cites a Kaltim Post interview with Tine Hahiyary, one of Obama's teachers at the public school.

Tine Hahiyary affirmed that Barry Soetoro had been registered as a Muslim and took part actively in the Islamic religious lessons during his time at the school. "I remembered that Barry studied 'mengaji,'" she told reporters. "Mengaji" involves recitation of the Quran. "To put it quite simply, 'mengaji classes' are not something that a non-practicing or so-called moderate Muslim family would ever send their child to," wrote the 'An American Expat in Southeast Asia' blog.

"The Obama campaign desperately wants to deny Obama was raised as a Muslim child in the four years he lived in Indonesia from age 6 to 10," Corsi said. "These are formative years in a child's religious education." "What the record clearly shows is not only that Obama received Islamic instruction, at least in the public school he attended," Corsi concluded, "but he received the type of Islamic instruction reserved for Muslim children in a government school system that mandated Islamic instruction at that time for all children attending public school in Indonesia."

0 Read more: Obama's childhood records vindicate Corsi book www.wnd.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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I'm no Senator, but I can speculate and make stuff up with the best of them!


Let's see...
It could be that his father was white and his mother had an affair with a black man!

It could be that he only weighed 5 lbs at birth and doesn't want the world to think he's a wimp!
It could be because a CAT gave birth to him!
It could be that he was born a poor black child.
It could be because he refuses to be forced, under pressure, by an extremist group, to do something that no other president has been asked to do.

Just off the top of my head. Hey! This is fun! Wild Speculation 101.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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Wow. You totally proved it was real.
You have proven the Obama was a Muslim
and
You have proven he was born in Hawaii.

Nice job!



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Just for those who claim that HI only issues the "standard short form" like Obama's forgery. Here is a person who obtained a copy of their "long form" in March of 2011

nobarack08.wordpress.com...

Plenty of data on the anomalies displayed within Obama's official COLB in this link also. It's an interesting and comprehensive study to say the least.

Whose your daddy Barry? Why have you been lying and why did you write a book based on pure lies? Funny how Obama would write a book "Dreams..." titles after a "father", Barack Sr., that he never really knew. That has always bugged me about that book. Yes, I read it cover to cover and reading it made me research the man more and more. Once the holes in the story developed, I kept digging more and more. Ha ha.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia
reply to post by JohhnyBGood
 


Wow. You totally proved it was real.
You have proven the Obama was a Muslim
and
You have proven he was born in Hawaii.

Nice job!


I don't really doubt he was born in Hawaii - Thouh he seems to be not 'natural born' because his father was allegedly a Kenyan - something which I also doubt.


I do know he is a radical Marxist with Muslim sensibilities who wishes to see the US destroyed.
I know he is a complete and utter fraud and most probably a criminal - and that he is hiding things that would finish his carreer if made public.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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I was talking in email about this and was sent this article... Its interesting.

www.wnd.com...

Tim Adams, who was senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu during the 2008 campaign, made the statements in a two-hour interview with a group looking to disprove claims made by so-called birthers, those challenging Obama's legal qualification to be president. "I think people believe there's been some kind of cover-up. And I don't think it's some big nefarious conspiracy. I think it's politics as usual," Adams said March 31 on Reality Check Radio, an Internet program on BlogTalkRadio. "Barack Obama's official autobiography was put out to the public for the public's consumption and we all know politicians – they have a public persona, it's created for consumption by the electorate – and I think that they've been caught fibbing, and it's embarrassing." Read more: Hawaii elections clerk: Obama 'caught fibbing' www.wnd.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Can someone actually explain why or how he would be born in Kenya when his mother and father met and lived in the US ?

I would give the ''birther'' argument more credence if Obama's parents had actually met in Kenya and had moved to the US shortly before he was born. Considering the fact that this wasn't the case, then I find the notion that he was born in Kenya to be an extreme case of straw clutching.

edit on 25-4-2011 by Sherlock Holmes because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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This explains it. Ironclad logic.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
I don't really doubt he was born in Hawaii - Thouh he seems to be not 'natural born' because his father was allegedly a Kenyan - something which I also doubt.


You must be a real patriot so showing me where his eligibility is effected by his father's citizenship should be really easy for you. I look forward to it.



I do know he is a radical Marxist with Muslim sensibilities who wishes to see the US destroyed.
I know he is a complete and utter fraud and most probably a criminal - and that he is hiding things that would finish his carreer if made public.


You know these things, do you? Well you seem credible so far.






posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by freedom12
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Why should Obama provide his longform? Well sir, according to recent polls, many people doubt where Mr Obama was born. He is planning to run for re-election and those same people will be voting. Now it make not make any difference who we vote for, as I sure the machines are rigged!



What polls are you speaking of? The only polls I have seen show that the number of birthers is growing among REPUBLICAN VOTERS. So some of the people that would not vote for Obama, are not going to vote for Obama. OH NOES!!!!!!!!!!

Plus you really need to think about what you just wrote. If he is up for re-election and people have the chance to vote for him, then I guess that will prove he was born in Hawaii, won't it? No way you guys would let a Kenyan run twice, would you?

So was he not born in Hawaii or is he running for re-election? I hope you see how one undoes the other.
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Sinn- I'm not referring to polls of Republicans, though that number is growing. The poll I saw was on CNN and dealt with Democratic voters not believing Obama was born here or not sure. I would have love to seen what independants think. Should Obama address these "crazy birthers"? Well , if he has time to focus on miniscule issues such as his "beer summit" and many other examples of him focusiing on minor "pop culture" issues, why not this issue?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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Hey, don't mess this up with logic or truth or anything...
We're on a roll!

We're trying to speculate and make stuff up as to the worst possible motivation "Barry" (if that is hie real name) might have for paying billions of dollars to hide the grisly details about his past and WHY all the people who should have known him during his life have said that they DIDN'T know him... His PARENTS even said they didn't know him! I heard that! That is ... except for the ones who DO remember him and made public statements about him, of course - they don't count. They're liars.

Actually, we're trying to see how many Obama lies we can gather in one thread.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by derst1988
What was released was a Certificate of Live Birth. Not the real Birth Certificate


Not that birther lie again, Obama showed the only birth certificate Hawaii currently issues. It IS a birth certificate


Not true, the lie is found within your own statement: "Obama showed the only birth certificate Hawaii currently issues." Currently, what does currently have to do with anything? What about when he was born?

I've made a note of this at least twice, so who is repeating the lies?





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