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Originally posted by balon0
This whole birthplace issue is ridiculous. Shouldn't this be something debated on and brought to attention
B E F O R E he ran for president?????
Originally posted by mickdundee23
They are obviously hiding something. Why spend $millions to hide it. Just release and I and millions of others will eat crow.
Originally posted by dereks
Well for one it would not stop the racist birthers as it is not about any bit of paper Obama shows, it is that a black man is the legal POUS
Originally posted by dereks
Birthers would just claim it was forged anyway
Originally posted by dereks
Why should he? No previous POTUS had to show theirs,
Originally posted by dereks
but when the first black POTUS gets legally elected the racist birthers start demanding he show all his personal records
Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by rebeldog
One parent has to be citizen.
Or they have to be born on US territory.
Obama's mother was a citizen, so was his father (although not a naturalized citizen.), and he was born in our country.
British Nationality Act, 1948 Part I British Nationality 1.—(1) Every person who under this Act is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or who under any enactment for the time being in force in any country mentioned in subsection (3) of this section is a citizen of that country shall by virtue of that citizenship have the status of a British subject. 2) Any person having the status aforesaid may be known either as a British subject or as a Commonwealth citizen; and accordingly in this Act and in any other enactment or instrument whatever, whether passed or made before or after the commencement of this Act, the expression "British subject" and the expression "Commonwealth citizen" shall have the same meaning.
Part II Citizenship of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Citizenship by birth or descent 4. Subject to the provisions of this section, every person born within the United Kingdom and Colonies after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by birth:
But in his speech last night, Obama clearly made H-1B and Green Card access to graduates of U.S. universities is a priority and part of his competitiveness theme. He will have little trouble assembling bipartisan support for an H-1B reform bill.
Originally posted by rebeldog
reply to post by filosophia
EXACTLY!!!!! it is not about birthplace.. that doesn't matter...
NATURAL BORN CITIZEN... which is the difference in presidential eligibilty verses congressional..
BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO BE US CITIZENS!!!!
so many stupid people don't get that, or they are disinfo..
Originally posted by GhostLancer
FOR THOSE WHO HATE OBAMA: This is how people felt when the last President gained office via FRAUD in Florida. By all accounts, GORE won the election. A republican judge had the deciding vote and Bush "won" the election because of her decision. He robbed Gore the Presidency.
Okay. That happened. We got over it. Most people know that election was bought and stolen.
We moved on. It's time for you to do the same. Obama is the President. For whatever reason this Hellstorm has ignited, the fact that he is President must be accepted. He is the President. Just as Bush was when he stole the election against Gore. Move on. Accept it. Do you really think Obama would be in office if the BANKERS (BANKSTERS) did not want him to be in office? Have you noticed a real change in US policy? No? Get off your kick. Accept that he is President. Accept that he is sitting in a seat that is CONTROLLED by other forces (TPTB).
Get over it. Just like folks did when G.W. stole the election. Now you know how it feels. Now you know that it doesn't matter WHO is in the seat. The seat Itself has been bought and paid-for by the wealthy elite. There is an agenda beyond the seat, no matter who sits on that false throne.
Originally posted by Santh
Can I ask the birthers a couple questions?
1) I've been googling, but besides a blog and a couple sites like ATS referencing the blog, I can't find any reputable souces saying that Obama is paying anyone to "Seal" his records.
2) Secondly, everyone's records are sealed by default. So what do you all mean by "Seal"
3) I see that Obama HAS spent millions paying lawfirms to defend cases where he has been sued for various reasons concerning his election, but none of the cases that I have looked up would have been settled with him showing his birth certificate. (that was really more of a statement than a question i guess).
4) as for his background, is it that hard to believe he's American? Is he not fat enough, is it because of his middle name? I mean.. I had an investigation for my security clearance and it only took 4 months. Very few people (only the few people I talked to) remembered me from school. I never had a driver's license before a few months ago so no driving record. And I was born in a small town in Illinois and it was a pain in the butt getting just a copy of my short form. If I ran.. and you couldn't readily get all sorts of info on me from a google search, would you question my citizenship?
5) and Lastly...if he doesn't want to show his birth certificate for some reason, lets say he enjoys having the right to privacy that every other american has, do you think we should force him to give up this right to privacy? Would you think so if it meant that you too would also lose your right for privacy towards your personal records?
edit on 26-4-2011 by Santh because: (no reason given)
WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama's birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
But don't you find it inexplicable that the gov of Hi would seal the BC of a Presidential candidate whose eligibility is in question?
Read more: Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor www.wnd.com...
2001 Executive Order limiting the FOIA Executive Order 13233, drafted by Alberto R. Gonzales and issued by President George W. Bush on November 1, 2001, shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks, restricted access to the records of former Presidents. This order was revoked on January 21, 2009, as part of President Barack Obama's Executive Order 13489. Public access to presidential records was restored to the original extent of five years (12 for some records) outlined in the Presidential Records Act.
Originally posted by Byteman
reply to post by syrinx high priest
And again, since you glossed over it.
He gave it up when he became Indonesian, IF he had it in the first place.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
If you lose the one you got when you were born, you need to get a new one. When you get a new one, you get the one the state CURRENTLY issues. What Obama showed is what the state CURRENTLY issues. You birthers all need to take your argument over to Hawaii and tell the state they are lying because that is all you have left. –pg 2
Hawaii no longer issues full copies of the registration in a move to conform to federal guidelines and come inline with other states, such as mine, that NO LONGER ISSUE FULL COPIES OF THE REGISTRATION EITHER. No, they do not destroy them because they are not sitting around to be destroyed. There is a file. If you want what is in it, you can only get a copy. That is simple reality. If you request a copy today, you get the version they give you that is recognized by all 50 states as proof of birthplace. You can whine and cry all you guys like but until you tell Hawaii they are full of crap and the constitution needn't recognize them, you will just be whining and crying. – pg 2
What makes you think he has the one that was issued to his parents all those years ago? There is a reason he had to get a current copy and I can only assume it was the same as mine. Mom did not hold onto stuff like she should have. So unless you can prove he still has posession of the original one he was issued, you are just speculating on your own beliefs. – pg 4
Ummmm...no. None of that is correct. There is a registration on file and even Obama cannot relase it. All he can do is ask for a copy. Perhaps you can explain this strange practice it sounds like you just made up? The fact that you birthers do not even know what you are talking about when it comes to birth certificates is kind of the dead giveaway that you really do not care about it. – pg 6
OK, let's say he "releases" this imaginary document you think is hidden in a safe. You will just accept that then? – pg 6
Coming from a state that issues short forms only myself kind of tipped my hand here. EIther I can never be president just because NY state decided to screw me or the very base birther claim fails from the get go. – pg 6
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of ANY CERTIFICATE, OR THE CONTENTS OF ANY CERTIFICATE, OR ANY PART THEREOF. (b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health. [L 1949, c 327, §17; RL 1955, §57-16; am L Sp 1959 2d, c 1, §19; HRS §338-13; am L 1978, c 49, §1]
Do you suppose that would be good enough for even the lowest grade security clearance?
I for one believe that there is a long form and that he was born in Hawaii. I just think that the reason he won't sign a release of information and show it to us all is that it possibly has a religion box on it and it has been filled in by the dreaded word "muslim".
Originally posted by Byteman
The real issue is the citizenship of his father.
If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.
Originally posted by jibeho
Just for those who claim that HI only issues the "standard short form" like Obama's forgery. Here is a person who obtained a copy of their "long form" in March of 2011