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Hawaiian Senator said Obama not releasing long-form BC to hide identity or citizenship of his father

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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You know what I want? I want pictures of Obama with his first grade teacher. I want pictures of his middle school report cards. I want receipts and dated pictures of him buying candy when he was 9. I want to know everyone he dated throughout highschool and college, and I want a written statement from each person on whether "it" was good or not.

^ The above is just me poking fun. Don't take it serious.

Anywho, this issue is one that noone here has the power to get rid of. I doubt there are many people who can make The President of the US do anything that he doesn'y want to. And there are very few of us who have the legal know-how to make courts force anything.

I see this topic as a whole, as a distraction. Some of you birthers are spending majority of each day trying to prove that he wasn't born in the U.S, prove that he isn't really Barack Obama, or prove that his motives are anti american. While the anti birther's do the exact opposite.

Then theres people like me wondering why in the world is a majority of Americans arguing opinions, assumptions, misunderstandings, and faux facts, where there are REAL issues can be resolved if this much time and thought had been put into it.

We could use all this brainpower to figure out the real motives of those in power, look at the big picture and figure out where things are headed, and figure out how to stop it/lessen th eimpact of it. Or everyone could continue to argue about whether Obama had an afro or turbin on his head when he was younger.
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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EXACTLY!!!!! it is not about birthplace.. that doesn't matter...

NATURAL BORN CITIZEN... which is the difference in presidential eligibilty verses congressional..

BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO BE US CITIZENS!!!!

so many stupid people don't get that, or they are disinfo..



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by ChrisF231
The Hawaiian monarchy was overthrown by American sugarcane plantation owners in 1893 who then established a "republic" (if you could call it one), Hawaii then became a US territory in 1898 and a state in 1959. Hawaiians became US citizens in 1900 (bear in mind that some US territories had to wait until well into the 1970s for citizenship).

Barack Obama/Soetoro/whoever he really is was born in 1961.
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PARTIALLY RIGHT! KUDOS!! BUT YOU ARE ALSO MISINFORMED.

You, my friend are wrong



HAWAII IS NOT A STATE

On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.


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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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IF BARAK OBAMA CAN TAKE THIS NATION TO WAR IN LIBYA UNDER THE LAWS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER - I.E.- THE UNITED NATIONS....

THAN HE CAN GIVE HAWAII BACK TO ITS PEOPLE AND RESIGN.

WAKE UP YOU FLUORIDATED SHEEPLE

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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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Maybe he's really a super robot and wasnt born at all but built in a lab somewhere!?!?!?!?



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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Its time for a change, real change you can believe in.

I hereby order that from this moment forward the word "birthers" will be now be changed to "Trumpers"




posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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One parent has to be citizen.

Or they have to be born on US territory.

Obama's mother was a citizen, so was his father (although not a naturalized citizen.), and he was born in our country.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by freedom12
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They are referring to the "long form" original birth certificate sir. Not the "certificate of live birth". Mr Obama could simply show his original long form birth certificate and end all this. Why won't he?



Exactly, this controversy would have evaporated in 2008, if only he shown a copy of the original long form.

The fact that he still refuses, is proof there's something on it that he does not want revealed.

I'm not a "Birther" -- but something is being hidden, whatever that may be. All school records, among others, sealed from the public? Where's the transparency? lol

AuranVector



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Why do I have this nagging suspicion that the birth certificate issue is going to play a HUGE part in the next elections? Something tells me that Trump will find enough ammunition to fire off some more questionable birth cannons.

I hope this does not lead to another civil war in our country. I notice the media really seems out to portray anyone who questions the legitimacy of the Presidents birth certificate as racists and extremists.

Let us all hope that Trump's investigators do not find anything in their search in Hawaii so we can prevent civil war 2.0 from breaking out.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by galactictuan
Malcolm X is his father.

'Nuff said.


3rd line - way to insult his mother! Sexist creep much?
Vicky



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:10 PM
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And again, since you glossed over it.

He gave it up when he became Indonesian, IF he had it in the first place.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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They are obviously hiding something. Why spend $millions to hide it. Just release and I and millions of others will eat crow.



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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Why doesn't Obama just call one of his buddies in the CIA and create a Phoney Certificate along with a phoney life story and phoney doctors to verify it's authenticity. It's not like CIA has no experience in creating phoney evidence. Just pay them 1, 10 50 million, what ever it takes. How hard can it be to create a Phoney Certificate when YOU are the Government.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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This whole birthplace issue is ridiculous. Shouldn't this be something debated on and brought to attention
B E F O R E he ran for president?????



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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Look the answer is simple create a "show the long form to get your vote movement". Create the facebook group.
Create you tubes showing the rules and the fact Hawaii isn't part of America ..... Then see if enough people care.
No need for rallys and marching in the streets just get signatures.

If you can't create enough intrested signatures etc to warrent it being shown. Then you vote accordingly after all isn't the USA more important than any political party or any 1 term president?

Have fun and enjoy your nation and the beliefs it was built on.



posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Probably he doesn't feel like he has to stoop so low as to actually show his real birth certificate. Better to let people look like idiots. MAYBE HE WAS BORN ON MARS!?!?!?!? Lets please face reality; there are more pressing issues in this country than a SHEET OF PAPER, seriously.


Originally posted by mickdundee23
They are obviously hiding something. Why spend $millions to hide it. Just release and I and millions of others will eat crow.


He is probably waiting for the perfect moment, IE right before re-election. Keep fanning the flames....

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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by Byteman


If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.


Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.

Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.
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She was apparently underage at the time she married Obama Sr. thus she was not able to confer citizenship upon Barack. That was per the suit of Phil Berg. When she married Obama Sr, she then became a British subject. Later on she married Lolo Soetoro and moved to Indonesia with him. Lolo apparently adopted Barack. the claim of Phil Berg is that Obama has dual citizenship at best, and therefore does not have the loyalty requirement to be POTUS.

Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.

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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Just a piece of paper humm where have we heard that before.

Love your signature you must stand behind that with all your nwo buddies.
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posted on Apr, 26 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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Originally posted by puzzled2
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Just a piece of paper humm where have we heard that before.

Love your signature you must stand behind that with all your nwo buddies.
edit on 26-4-2011 by puzzled2 because: spelling


The reason why I say "it's just a sheet of paper" is even if he produced a completely legitimate birth certificate, it would be denounced as fake anyways. So why bother to do it now?



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