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Originally posted by ChrisF231
The Hawaiian monarchy was overthrown by American sugarcane plantation owners in 1893 who then established a "republic" (if you could call it one), Hawaii then became a US territory in 1898 and a state in 1959. Hawaiians became US citizens in 1900 (bear in mind that some US territories had to wait until well into the 1970s for citizenship).
Barack Obama/Soetoro/whoever he really is was born in 1961.edit on 25-4-2011 by ChrisF231 because: more info
HAWAII IS NOT A STATE
On November 23, 1993, President Clinton signed United States Public Law 103-150, which not only acknowledged the illegal actions committed by the United States in the overthrow of the legitimate government of Hawaii, but also that the Hawaiian people never surrendered their sovereignty. The latter is the most important part of United States Public Law 103-150 for it makes it quite clear that the Hawaiian people never legally ceased to be a sovereign separate independent nation. There is no argument that can change that fact.
Originally posted by freedom12
reply to post by dereks
They are referring to the "long form" original birth certificate sir. Not the "certificate of live birth". Mr Obama could simply show his original long form birth certificate and end all this. Why won't he?
Originally posted by galactictuan
Malcolm X is his father.
Originally posted by mickdundee23
They are obviously hiding something. Why spend $millions to hide it. Just release and I and millions of others will eat crow.
Originally posted by Nite_wing
Originally posted by Byteman
If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.
Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.
Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.edit on 25-4-2011 by Nite_wing because: (no reason given)
Even if Sen. Obama can prove his U.S. citizenship, Berg stated, citing the senator's use of a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii verified as a forgery by three independent document forensic experts, the issue of "multi-citizenship with responsibilities owed to and allegiance to other countries" remains on the table.
In the lawsuit, Berg states that Sen. Obama was born in Kenya, and not in Hawaii as the senator maintains. Before giving birth, according to the lawsuit, Obama's mother traveled to Kenya with his father but was prevented from flying back to Hawaii because of the late stage of her pregnancy, "apparently a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight." As Sen. Obama's own paternal grandmother, half-brother and half-sister have also claimed, Berg maintains that Stanley Ann Dunham--Obama's mother--gave birth to little Barack in Kenya and subsequently flew to Hawaii to register the birth.
Should Sen. Obama truly have been born in Kenya, Berg writes, the laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19 years of age. Sen. Obama's mother was only 18 at the time. Therefore, because U.S. citizenship could not legally be passed on to him, Obama could not be registered as a "natural born" citizen and would therefore be ineligible to seek the presidency pursuant to Article II, Section 1 of the United States Constitution.
Originally posted by puzzled2
reply to post by Albastion
Just a piece of paper humm where have we heard that before.
Love your signature you must stand behind that with all your nwo buddies.edit on 26-4-2011 by puzzled2 because: spelling