I can answer that... How about a LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE! whatyaknow! all he has to do is show it and end this debate.

and for those saying he has proven it by showing the certificate of live birth that is a total joke. hawaii was desperate to have people come live in hawaii when they entered the union, so they made it extremely easy to get this 'unofficial' bc. you didn't even have to be born in hawaii you just had to apply for it.

and for those saying when you lose a bc you only get the short bc now and not the long and it doesn't matter if you are joe schmoe or obama... do you guys take yourselves seriously? i think it does matter when joe schmoe is well, just joe schmoe, and obama is the POTUS. i think that matters a lot!

what bothers me is i had to show my long form bc to just play little league baseball. but its not required to be POTUS now

something is fishy here. why doesn't he just show it and not spend millions to hide his past???????

you shills who blindly support this dumba$$ are not doing this country any good. forget your leftist ideology for just 2 minutes and put your country first por favor.

Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by Byteman
LMAO, a printed computer generated list?
How official.

Can I honestly ask you what you would accept as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii?

you mean the kind of proof you give, when you showed a birth certificate from Hawaii from 1930
WHEN HAWAII WASN'T A STATE

dude, that was the funniest thing I've seen on ATS when someone called you out on it. i never laughed so hard all week. then you got flustered, took a while to respond and all you could come up with is. 'uhhh, I meant to do that' :lol

you are a typical BarryBoy. and its not just that post, a lot of your posts in all the threads you post in that are supposed to be fact are based in... well fantasy

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
he fraudulently used multiple ss numbers from people who were dead.

Can you prove this? And I don't mean with a link to a YouTube Video with scary music. I mean actual proof.

Originally posted by Homedawg
barrys being a drug mule and male prostitute

Can you prove these allegations?

Originally posted by Homedawg
There is anohter "Birth Certificate",locked in a vault,that contains much mor info than the one relased "on-line"..only the owner of tha cretificate can authorize th release of the document..

There is no way on this sweet Earth that Obama can release that document. It doesn't belong to him. It belongs to the State of Hawaii.

.thats the one I want to see,...

You have every right to want to see it, but no right whatsoever to see it.

Originally posted by galactictuan
Malcolm X is his father.

'Nuff said.

Very close. His father is a Malcolm X type but not him. Trying researching activist/writer types his mother was associating with around the time he born. There is your secret answer!

Not that most people care but here are a few facts that are verifiable if one will look. I am not going to repeat the sources here because, personally, I don't think I can change any minds, and I don't want to relook them up because I investigated this a year ago..

Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in 1961.

At the time of Obama's birth Hawaii, having few natural born "citizens of the United States" allowed others to verify birth. In order for someone to be considered a U.S. citizen in Hawaii, a family member could simply file an affidavit declaring the birth of a child without producing the original Birth Certificate or the child. A sworn affidavit by a family member was sufficient. Those same people could also submit notice of birth to the local newspapers making the announcement. If someone wanted a foreign born family member to appear to be a natural born citizen, Hawaii was the place to do it since no proof was necessary. The fact that his grandparents lived in Hawaii made it an ideal situation to have their grandson appear to be natural born whether he was or not. Telephones and telegrams were available in 1961.

Hawaii acknowledges the short form as legal proof of birth because their law in 1961 permitted the acquisition of citizenship by affidavit only. That is and was the law. However, it may or may not be the truth.

So the fact of the matter is, there actually may not be a Birth Certificate (long form) and only the Certificate of Live Birth (the short form) which was obtained by affidavit. I do not know but I would like to know.

There really isn't much riding on this except the integrity of our Constitution which has been shredded over the past 20 years or so but yet, I would like to still think the law matters.

It is because of these possibilities that there is a question in my mind about his birth. A long form would satisfy my concerns.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

Originally posted by pikypiky
Anyone could "falsify" "pieces of papers. I would like to "demand" DNA testing and may the blood sample(s) settle the matter once and for all. Then again that could be quite an invasion of privacy. But he and furture "presidential hopefuls" have nothing to hide, then there should be NO problem in proving futher proof to stop the noise of "birthers" and pals.

ummmm

how would DNA testing prove where he was born ?

Your right it will not prove where he is born. What it would do would prove either way the rumor that Lolo is his real father. I think not he looks half white and half negroid African to me. But then again I am not a doctor!

And CNN continues their anti-birther propaganda. I saw another discussion of this on CNN today.They showed the certificate of "live birth" again and another picture of the back of it with a dated stamp(2007 I believe) from Hawaii showing that this is an "official" COPY of his cert. of live birth. My question/challenge is simple- How did they make a COPY of his COLB that includes the RAISED state seal? To my knowledge, there is NO copy machine in the world the could copy Obama's COLB and produce the raised seal. Am I wrong? Is there some new copy machine that duplicates raised seals? If so, could someone provide a link or name the copier that produces raised seals on a copy?

Originally posted by dereks

Originally posted by filosophia
Obama is not releasing the BC.

Except that Obama HAS released his birth certificate (more than any other POTUS did whilst President) - why do birthers keep claiming he has not?

edit on 25/4/11 by dereks because: (no reason given)

Well, because they can't come up with any reasonable critiques of Obama's policies, so they manufacture 'fantasies for little children' (Rush's quote in regards to birthers, not mine)

Either that, or they are all DNC operatives trying to make anyone critical of Obama appear moronic by association.

Originally posted by Byteman


If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.

Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.

Originally posted by Nite_wing

Originally posted by Byteman


If it doesn't show both his parents are US citizens, then he is not natural born, and he is not qualified to be president. Since we all know his father was Kenyan and a British subject at the time of Obama's birth, Obama was also a Brit at birth, and not qualified to be president.

Byteman, this is not exactly true. Both parents need not be citizens. Only one parent needs to be a citizen. However, there is some issue as to whether his mother was a legal citizen at the time of his birth. There is some confusion in my mind over some of the reports i have read. There is a time frame (and I am not sure what it is) that the parent must live in the United States if they are/were under 18 during this time frame. I am not interested in investigating this further but would like someone to pick up on this and explain it to me. I just wanted to clarify to keep the facts in order and I don't have all the facts on this particular issue. The father's nationality doesn't cloud the issue but her age and location does.

Post Script-Byteman posted the reasons I asked for as I was writing this. Thank you.

edit on 25-4-2011 by Nite_wing because: (no reason given)

nope

if a mexican mother crosses the border illegally and gives birth in a texas border town, that baby is a natural born citizen and eligible to be president (as far as that clause is concerned)

I apologize, I am speaking about those not born on U.S. soil. I understand the anchor baby issue.