reply to post by GovtFlu
Should some bouncer or security guard ever put a finger on, or arrest, you.. arrest them back. Demand a citizens arrest for battery 837PC/242PC. Don't
be broken hearted if the DA / City Attorney doesn't file charges, you still win by tagging bouncer dude with an arrest record he'll have to explain
for the rest of his life.
In most states security officers do not have the ability to arrest you. Niether do bouncers. They can detain you for a reasonable amount of time
untill a police officer arives. There is a big difference and the level of force allowed to maintain detention varies.
However, working as agents of a private entity they do have the right to use force under certain circumstance. It usually goes like this.
They deter problems with presence. They can ask you to leave. They can use soft hands to escort you off of the property. They can use "hard hands" if
you resist. If you escelate the use of force they can take it to the next step. In some locations that can include lethal force if you attack them in
a manner that puts them in fear of grievious bodily injury or death. In other areas all it requires is that you use a blunt or knife edged weapon.
You have those same rights on your property in many places.
If you are on another person's property and refuse to leave they can use force. So, your citizen's arrest may be unwaranted, or may land you in jail.
Filing a false report is a felony in some jurisdictions. That means "tagging" the bouncer may get you a much worse record.
Be careful, and if you are on private property just comply and leave. Getting argumenitive with the person does nothing. At the moment they tell you
to leave private property you have no legal right to be there. It is that simple and it doesn't matter what you think. Remember, my property my rules.
People have to follow the rules in your house, you have to return the favor.
Police Depts are quasi military.. "deployed" to the "front lines", so called, fighting the "war" on plants & fake terrorists. Cops share similar
experiences risking their lives together... bonding into cohesive units, "it's "Us" versus "them" out there man!"
I work with police officers 48 hours a week. I have been in some tense and tight situations with these guys. I have had others open up and tell me
their life stories. I have yet to hear a single officer say anything in regards to "us vs them." Most of the ones I know take it very seriously and
are out there to protect the lives of people.
Just this morning we got a call about a suspicious person in a bus stop. We went to check out the call because the caller made it sound like the
person was drugged out and a proplem. We got there and it turns out the guy was treated for a severely sprained ankle at a local ER.
When he was discharged the buses had stopped running. When he informed the charge nurse that he couldn't afford a taxi she gave him a bus pass. When
he said the bus had stopped running she said, I guess you'll be sleeping in the bus stop.
We checked his discharge papers. They were current and he was a local resident. The officer could have arrested him for vagrancy. He could have
arrested him for public intoxication because of the pain medication they gave him. Instead the officer offered him a ride all the way across the city.
We took the guy home, made sure he got inside, and gave him the number for a social worker that could help him get transportation to his follow up
That will not be a you tube video. What will be on you tube is an edited video of a guy on a motorcycle that ran from cops. What makes it on you tube
is the extremely rare interaction that goes bad. When the above video first got attention it also came out that the guy had been videoing himself
doing in excess of 100mph on his bike and driving agressively. He also tried to out run the cops.
As for the Chicago guy, that is what I expect from Chicago. It will get a trial in the state supreme court at least. Even the legal experts on CNN and
Fox were amazed when it came out. It is a clear abuse of a law that was not written for that purpose.
It is estimated that there are about 50,000 cops on patrol at any given time. It is estimated that there are nearly 500,000 police - civilian
interactions per day. That ranges from reporting a lost wallet to the big time crimes. If there are 1,500 interaction per month that go bad, that is
.1% of all interactions. That is about the same failure rate as birth control. I would say those are pretty good numbers in the scheme of things.
Are there bad cops? Absolutely. Serpico proved that coruption was rampant in the NYPD. Arizona has had some issues. I will not deny that there are bad
cops. However, in many cases the violent and abusive cops are weeded out. Seatle recently proved that with the "Wood Carver" killing. The police
department did their job and ousted that guy. He will not be a cop any where else. (I believe the DA missed the call on that one. That is another
Remember the vast majority of cops are just like you. They just chose to enforce the rules of society. A lot of times people dont run in to them as
often as they could. Many officers are using "officer's discretion" to avoid messing with people. They don't want to stop people for every thing they
see. They usually want to go after the ones that are causing a serious issue. However, if you are being so blatant that they have no choice they must
act. Officer's will tend to use their discretion if you are discreet.
Remember one simple thing. The cops do have a dangerous job. They run towards danger when others run away. They face the most sick and depraved
individuals society can offer up every day. If you want to record an officer, keep your distance. If you stay forty feet away, that makes the cop feel
more secure. (21 feet or closer is a very bad idea. That is considerred the red zone for cops.) If you aren't yelling a barage of questions, that
makes the cop feel more secure. He doesn't know if the guy he is dealing with is psycho or not. Your distraction puts his life in jeopardy.
There are mental disorders that can be well hidden untill the person decides to unviel them. I have seen calls go from 100% peacefull and polite
(everybody was laughing) to a fight for the officer's survival in the blink of an eye.
Remember another thing. These people deal with the absolute worst that the world offers day in and day out in most places. I have seen mother's
prostituting their 10 year old daughter to buy meth. I have seen babies cry for milk while dad is drinking his Milwauke's Best and claiming he doesn't
know where those ten stolen GPS units came from. Stuff like that takes a toll on you that no one else understands. Eventually you get jaded and you do
lose a bit of what makes you human.
In the end though. Police brutality is not common, and it is not accepted as common practice in most places. Cops usually leave people alone if they
are not a danger to others or their self. Most of them good people that really do care. They aren't revenuers taking bribes while trampling the
I know the spelling and gramar is really bad. I just came off of a 12.5 hour shift. I posted as a stream of thought and it shows. I think the point is
clear though. I'm not going to edit it. I am going to smoke and sleep.
edit on 25-4-2011 by MikeNice81 because: (no reason given)