How much do you really know about the Illuminati?

reply to post by NephraTari


What most people refer to as the Illuminati are actually the power elite, maintaining their power and wealth through their bloodlines, this however is not what the actual true Illuminati represent at all, if you want a taste of enlightenment go here and then here.

I think its much easier to get in with the illuminati than most people think...some celebs get the treatment... others are corporate fools and politicians(same thing basically)

there is more information on there website... Just spell illuminati backwards and add .com www.itanimulli.com

reply to post by NephraTari


I just think that they ( illuminati - freemasons ) are doing their job accordingly.

IMHO :

illuminati : the group of people who thought that there is no relationship between religion and science . (secular)

freemasons : the group of people who want some elites to lead the world , take all the resources , have a better life than others by enslaving them ( Zionists )

edit : there are lots of theories like :

1. they were some devious Jews. ( not all jews ). as Moses died they saw that the next prophets had no power such as Moses had. then they lost their faith and they referred to magic. as Solomon arrived as the prophet of god he banned magic . he arrested magicians and he took away their magic tools. after he died he died they regained their tools and continued magic practice.
as the stories tell they were the one molesting prophets of god the Moses after Moses.
( Moses : referring the story of crossing Nile , the cows ritual ,
Jesus : accusation of lying
Mohammad accusation of lying and betraying him at wars.)


2.they were imprisoned and molested in medieval due their knowledge and seeking the truth. as Galileo was accused by the church they decided to go underground and form a secret society


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if you study more you will get to know that there is one thing in common.

they all think that they should gain the main power at one day.
they are the ones who deserve.

reply to post by JoshNorton

I can't say for sure that Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of Illuminati book is inaccurate. There are many people out there who will no doubt source this as correct. I think he mentioned In his video the Illuminati constructed a space station on Mars though (Very dubious to say the least). Not sure If he sourced some of his claims from John Todd. I think bloodlines was first published in 1999, Todd was on the scene In the 70's, his claims are littered with inaccuracies. On the plus side, I could have mentioned how the Illuminati are ruthless scientists hell bent on destroying Vatican city with antimater!

Illuminati, bilderberg, freemasons are not on our side that's sad, they are rich powerful and have connections so they are safe from us.

Random people get accused for being a illuminati member or whatever and that makes it hard to understand who they really are.

Nosp

Originally posted by hmdphantom
freemasons : the group of people who want some elites to lead the world , take all the resources , have a better life than others by enslaving them ( Zionists )

No, actually we're the group who said "All men are created equal." We meet on the level.

Originally posted by Hespian
I can't say for sure that Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of Illuminati book is inaccurate.

Oh, I can EASILY say for sure that Fritz Springmeier's Bloodlines of Illuminati book is inaccurate. I've actually read 2 pages of it. When you can shoot so many holes in so little content, why bother with the rest?

Originally posted by MrDesolate
Please. You need to focus somewhere other than the fundie wackjob sites with the "click here to donate to our ministry" links.

www.freemasoninformation.com...

We may not agree with each other’s religious beliefs but we respect the individual’s right to practice his own faith. This is called “religious tolerance,” something more people should practice.

Sir, Masonry has taught you to be tolerant towards religious beliefs of others, so why you are criticizing christian ministries for taking donations. I know freemasonry and Christianity are tough competitors in the religion marketplace, but I think masonry can coexist with them and benefit from it. Sir you didn't offered any counter argument refuting the contents of the article, you just offered abuses and insults which are against T&C.

Yes, there are indeed bad Masons. There may even be Masons involved in a conspiracy somewhere.

Yes Sir, I know Freemason's have drugged children's and have penetrated them with needles.
www.ra-info.org...

Christchurch, New Zealand
Children who attended Christchurch Civic Creche described bizarre sexual abuse with references to frightening rituals. The children allege they were removed from the day care facility and transported to other locations, including a cemetary and a Masonic lodge, where they were abused by adults dressed in black and white and wearing masks. In addition to their reports of being used for pornographic purposes, the children described being abused within a circle; chanting and participating in mock marriages; being tied up and confined in cages and boxes buried beneath the ground; being penetrated with needles and sticks; witnessing the torture and killing of animals; being drugged; being forced to hurt other children; having blood poured over their heads; and consuming what they believed was human flesh.

Originally posted by illuminazislayer

Sir, Masonry has taught you to be tolerant towards religious beliefs of others, so why you are criticizing christian ministries for taking donations.

You presume much. I'm about as far away from being a Mason as one could possibly get. Masonry isn't religion. It's a fraternal organization. Religion and Masonry don't "compete" but there are plenty of so-called religious types who point to Masons as the big bugaboo that you need saving from. That's part of my issue. Whenever a group has to come up with a boogeyman and use that to scare you into "donating" that's a fairly sure sign you're dealing with an agenda that's mostly about the fund raising.

Yes Sir, I know Freemason's have drugged children's and have penetrated them with needles.

So what? That's completely irrelevant in this discussion, unless you have proof that those actions are Masonic. Non- Masonic Christians do bad crap, too. Does that make the bad stuff "Christian"? Does every bad thing done by any member of any group automatically taint every other member of the same group? No, and those who believe that are called "bigots".

And this is all off-topic anyway. The thread is about "Illuminati" which has nothing to do with Freemasonry, unless you're pushing some weird, unprovable theory.

Sure, there are bad guys out there. A whole hierarchy of them. And nothing amuses them more than to have the focus on Freemasonry, since that's light years away from where they are.

Not everything every Christian does is Christian. Not everything every Mason does is Masonic. Not everything every Jew does is Jewish. Not everything every Moslem does is Islamic. Illuminati? Call it that if you want, I don't mind. Whatever it is, it's as far removed from the group Weishaupt founded in Bavaria as it is from Freemasonry.

Originally posted by illuminazislayer
Sir, Masonry has taught you to be tolerant towards religious beliefs of others, so why you are criticizing christian ministries for taking donations.

He's criticizing them for using long-debunked information and selective reading to demonize others.

I know freemasonry and Christianity are tough competitors in the religion marketplace

Freemasonry is not "in the religion marketplace". It's not a religion.

but I think masonry can coexist with them and benefit from it.

Most Masons are Christian, as am I.

Yes Sir, I know Freemason's have drugged children's and have penetrated them with needles.

You say things like this and have the unbelievable gall to say a word about the T&C.

Christchurch, New Zealand
Children who attended Christchurch Civic Creche described bizarre sexual abuse with references to frightening rituals. The children allege they were removed from the day care facility and transported to other locations, including a cemetary and a Masonic lodge, where they were abused by adults dressed in black and white and wearing masks. In addition to their reports of being used for pornographic purposes, the children described being abused within a circle; chanting and participating in mock marriages; being tied up and confined in cages and boxes buried beneath the ground; being penetrated with needles and sticks; witnessing the torture and killing of animals; being drugged; being forced to hurt other children; having blood poured over their heads; and consuming what they believed was human flesh.

We explain to you over and over how Masonic charities operate, each time answering your "you're not really a charity if you don't do X" nit-picking with specific examples of Masonic charities doing X, and you still insist that Freemasons are not really charitable. But one website (which doesn't cite its sources) shows you one example of traumatized children claiming they were at a Masonic lodge (among other places), and you're ready and willing to believe that Freemasons are child molestors even though the man convicted wasn't a Mason. Your standards are awful convenient.

Originally posted by MrDesolate

So what? That's completely irrelevant in this discussion, unless you have proof that those actions are Masonic. Non- Masonic Christians do bad crap, too.

Also, it should be noted that it's make believe.

i think the Illuminati are a bunch of old fat dude's ,who are egotistical, selfish, morons who really need to chill out and spend time with the family really it's true its all about the money baby! id love to give them a not so secret hand shake ...its called a clenched fist! ..note i want my fema coffin mailed to be now... double note never trust a man with a moustache

The Colombian Illuminati convinced me more than the Bavarian.

reply to post by MrDesolate

Originally posted by MrDesolate
You presume much. I'm about as far away from being a Mason as one could possibly get. Masonry isn't religion.

Yes sir freemasonry take its all seeing eye from Christianity religion, who have taken it from ancient Egyptian religion and the Egyptians took it from Hindu religion. Freemasonry is not a religion but a religious cult, whose main competitor is Christianity. Thanks for correcting me

Actually, it probably originated in ancient India as the Eye of Shiva. From there, the symbol was adopted by ancient Egyptians as the eye of Horus. In the early middle ages, it was then adopted by Christians as the symbol of God's omnipresence, and from there found its way into Freemasonry. Link.

Originally posted by MrDesolate
And this is all off-topic anyway. The thread is about "Illuminati" which has nothing to do with Freemasonry, unless you're pushing some weird, unprovable theory.

Sir, OP was asking about how freemasonry and illuminati are linked with each other, I just presented my opinion on it. If masons consider it as weird, they should not reply to such posts, but masons replied to it with ridicule and abuse and without any counter argument, which just further supported the facts presented in that post. I thank you for it.

Originally posted by illuminazislayer
Freemasonry is not a religion but a religious cult, whose main competitor is Christianity.

Keep going. You couldn't out yourself more without changing your signature to read, "I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, but that's not about to slow me down".

Now we know about freemasons far more than before

You all have given me much food for thought. I am not decided on this subject by any means. I plan on discussing this very topic saturday night on my show. I would love to hear some of you argue your points for and against their continued existence at that time if you want to call in. There are many things to consider in this matter.

Yes there is an Illuminati. However they don't call themselves the Illuminati they call them selves the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission the Club of Rome e.t.c. To look for a group of rich and powerful elite who refer to themselves as the Illuminati is folly however one can take a look at the Bilderberg Group and the above mentioned and get a pretty good list of who is in the so called (for purposes of identification) "Illuminati".

The Illuminati was a 19th century organization that was weakened and eventually was amalgamated into the Jesuit society before the year 1900 (as said by Jordan Maxwell).

reply to post by NephraTari


Look at what has changed in the world in the past 30 years. How people live, how people think, the laws. This doesn't just happen. Sure, there are real crackpots and hoaxers, but I have to think there is a small group of people who have made this all happen. It is a demonstrable fact that most of the money systems in the world are controlled by a tiny group of people. You control the money, you control everything else. I don't believe people who say they are in communication with aliens from zeta reticuli or the pleiades, but beyond that, I have to take time to consider almost anything else.