The absolute truth about the democratic party!! Greatest scam in the history of US politics.

It's not a fraud at all and that's what I'm trying to argue. Both parties are legitimate but have different ideologies. They are not run by corporate america with a handful of guys somewhere deciding who get's elected.

They operate according to their beliefs or whichever lobbyist was most effective on them and that dictates the direction of the government and the country.

Both are equally falliable, as history shows, and both can have moments of inspiration.

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Agree those were some selective examples by me. My point is that the corporation v corporation lawsuits over copyright/patent infringment and their competitive lobbbying that you are referring to is meaningless in a larger context because the most powerful industries I referred to control our foreign policy. There is no "equally powerful" corporate interest on the other side of the problems that are destroying our freedom, destroying our financial system, getting our soldiers killed, and complicit in the wilful destruction of the middle class. In this sense there is a unified corporate finance oligarchy.

Originally posted by dontdrinkthewater
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Agree that was some selective examples by me. My point is that the corporation v corporation lawsuits over copyright/patent infringment and like that you are referring to are meaningless in a larger context because the most powerful industries I referred to control our foreign policy. There is no "equally powerful" corporate interest on the other side of the problems that are destroying our freedom, destroying our financial system, getting our soldiers killed, and complicit in the wilful destruction of the middle class.

Good point but I would disagree with you on one point. Certainly oil is a major reason why we take alot of the actions we do but I would argue it's not the only reason. I would also disspute the fact that it's destroying our freedom or financial system or is willful in it's destruction of the middle class.

I'm not arguing that those aren't happening but there are many more factors that go into those than just corporations and what their interests are. Remember that corporations are about money and they tend to make more money when people are happy and content.

This lesson was learned well in the 1920's and 1950's. Therefore while lobbyists for these large corporate instutions may help guide and even in certain cases even help write legislation, it is doubtful that this alone is enough to motivate politicians.

One of the political sciene theory's regarding politicians is that unless they plan on leaving office they will do whatever it takes to remain in power. In order for this to happen they often have to play the game of securing financial support from corporate america while not upsetting their voters.

This I believe is the true nature of the politician. They will probably comply with whoever has the strongest influence on them if and only if it won't affect their chances of remaining in power.

Originally posted by kro32
One of the political sciene theory's regarding politicians is that unless they plan on leaving office they will do whatever it takes to remain in power. In order for this to happen they often have to play the game of securing financial support from corporate america while not upsetting their voters.

This I believe is the true nature of the politician. They will probably comply with whoever has the strongest influence on them if and only if it won't affect their chances of remaining in power.

Oh yeah, totally agree here, this is always happening, and why I am a firm supporter of the idea that there should be Congressional term limits. I just wish some of them had the balls to take money from these corporations and then tell them to f*ck off when it was time to vote on their legislation.

Originally posted by kro32
Good point but I would disagree with you on one point. Certainly oil is a major reason why we take alot of the actions we do but I would argue it's not the only reason. I would also disspute the fact that it's destroying our freedom or financial system or is willful in it's destruction of the middle class.

Agree here as well, it's not all about oil, it's also about the Banksters removing dictators and opening up new liquidity streams, and the giant retailers getting access to brand new markets, and the defense contractors getting fat taxpayer infrastructure contracts, etc, etc.... Definitely a lot of nuance to it, but at a fundamental level they all support the same imperialistic policies. For example, Coke and Pepsi compete with each other in a lot of areas, but they both benefit from reaching millions of potential new consumers. That's the problem with a large public corporation, "it" is always in search of quarterly profit increases. If you want to go further down the rabbit hole, check out this.

Oh and the destruction of the middle class is being fully overseen by the Republican party

Well I don't throw my hat in the ring with any party nowadays. I'm actually for our system turning to a parlimentary form of government but that'll never happen.

Anyways good points you make.

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OP listen to orbitbaby. He is correct.

washington was right.....

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Wikipedia is a complete liberal nut job. The guy that owns the site doesn't hide it. I hope you haven't based your education too much on that site. Of course every word is true the man two or three down is also right about Kenndy. He was another liberal train wreak.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble by I study civil war and their politics. Lincoln was a Republican. The entire South was dominatly Democrats. Sorry ya can't hide from history. Not even Wikipedi can change it. Just Google democratic party during the civil war. lol what am I thinking. You already know the truth.

OP needs to crack open a history book.

Democrats of the mid 1800's aren't the democrats of today, same with the Republican party. The Republican party of that era was born of the Whig party, which fractured and sent members to both Dem and Rep parties. Both parties have undergone wholesale transformations from events since the Civil War.

The South was largely made up of "southern democrats" who, after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, abandoned the Democrats and joined the republican party (republicans eagerly courted them with their "southern strategy").

Dixiecrats

Meeting in Birmingham, Alabama, the Dixiecrats nominated South Carolina governor Strom Thurmond as their presidential candidate, and Mississippi governor Field J. Wright, as their vice-presidential nominee. The party platform represented the openly racist views of most white southerners of the time. It opposed abolition of the poll tax while endorsing segregation and the "racial integrity" of each race. In the November election, Thurmond carried the states of Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and South Carolina. Although Thurmond did not win the election, he received well over a million popular votes and 39 electoral votes.

By 1952, southern Democrats had concluded that they could exercise more influence through the Democratic Party and therefore returned to the fold. They remained in the Democratic fold, restive, until the candidacy of Republican conservative Barry Goldwater liberated them in 1964 by refreshing some of the Dixiecrat ideologies and therefore accelerated the transition from a solid South for the Democrats to one for the Republicans. Strom Thurmond switched to the Republican Party that year and remained there until his death in December 2003.

Keep that in mind OP, in the south the republican party was once the dixiecrats, who openly advocated segregationist and racist policies.

America’s Journey From "Dixiecrats" to "Rednecklicans"

Richard Nixon, campaigning in 1968, did his utmost to assure that America's segregationist diehards, white supremacists and anti-Semites would find a new political klavern. Nixon invented the "race card" and transformed the Republican Party, the party of Lincoln and the wellspring of the Emancipation Proclamation, into the last bastion of the Confederacy. The G.O.P. has been playing the same hand -- with remarkable impunity -- in every election since.

[..]

The Republicans deny that they are the electoral refuge for America's bigots. But whenever an ex-Klansman, decrying the mongrelization of the white race, enters a primary election somewhere in Louisiana or Texas, it's always a Republican primary.

Originally posted by ThaLoccster
Is this really what ATS is becoming?

Obama's an alien, this politician is a shill, that politician is a Nazi. Tea Party is this, democrats are that.

I thought this was a conspiracy site, not the Huffington Post.

no the huffington post has more cred (at least they did before AOL bought em out and all their talent left) but ya Obama is the Heir the USA is the new Reich and you are the new gestapo...

On topic yep the OP has a point and Obama delivering in a big way the USA is on the brink of collapse your army and your cops are total brainwashed enforcers for the satanic masonic puppet orders of TPTB. Yep democracy is a joke in our modern world christian nations are the aggressors and killers and god help those that are weaker then they if they have something they want eh.

Does adding "the absolute truth about (insert anything here)" in the OP title make it the "absolute truth"?

I've read the OP and I haven't seen one bit of his "absolute truth" sadly...

Originally posted by MarkofCain
Does adding "the absolute truth about (insert anything here)" in the OP title make it the "absolute truth"?

I've read the OP and I haven't seen one bit of his "absolute truth" sadly...

I believe that was the entire point of this title to point out the obvious partisan hypocracy of the recent "absolute truth of the tea party" thread.None of us tea partygoers found any truth in that barn burner either but Garafalo wil tell you:" they are all lying racist rednecks. its a FACT."
BY theway the original "TEA PARTY"rallies were NOT originally a new "political party" but drew its name from the boston teaparty;i.e. fed up citizens actively protesting the english black tea tax by dumping the kings tea shipment into Boston harbor. Clever folks came up with signs proclaiming "Taxed enough already".
Liberal moutpieces cameup with "teabaggers" because the common sex act connotation couldn't be more blatantly offensive and vulgar to a bunch of middle aged conservatives... the "tea parties" had more akin with a "tupperwear party" than the republican party.

Politics does not have the power to solve problems its just a man-made weapon born of fear ignorance and abuse to divide and conquer like tribes,countries,religouns,languages,race so the creators of those prblems can present themselves as the solution.
A form of politics is needed just as long as there is the right integrity like Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, JFK, Ron Paul and Aaron Russo.

Originally posted by orbitbaby
Sorry OP. The greatest scam in the history of US politics is that people still
think there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats. Both are betraying
us on an equal basis. They answer to someone, but its not the American
people. Fortunately, more and more people are starting to wake up to the truth about
American politics. There is no difference between our Republican and Democrat politicians.
Hopefully you will see your way through that BS as well.

Agreed. There are still principled congressmen/women and senators tho. Seek them out and support them. The only way to clean up the mess we've created is to either destroy it or change it from the inside.

Finger pointing and division doesn't do anything but perpetuate the problem.

Originally posted by dontdrinkthewater

Originally posted by JerryB08
I wonder if Obama is aware that the democratic party is actually the Party that supported slavery. Started the Civil War. Tried to settle make peace with the South with a deal that would have divided our country into two. This party Countless times has tried to destroy the US. After the civil war. They had to change the name of their party they were so hated through out the united states. google the democratic party during the civil war see for your self.

Haha, not a single thing in your above paragraph is true, even the vaunted scholars at Wikipedia disagree....

In 1854, despite strong protest, the main Democratic leader in the Senate, Stephen A. Douglas of Illinois, pushed through the Kansas-Nebraska Act. Although it was not the initial purpose of the act, it established that settlers could vote to decide to allow or not allow slavery. Against the backdrop of the slavery issue, a major re-alignment took place among voters and politicians, with new issues, new parties, and new rules. The Whig Party dissolved entirely. While the Democrats survived, many northern Democrats (especially Free Soilers from 1848) joined the newly established Republican Party.[13] Buchanan, a Northern "Doughface" (his base of support was in the pro-slavery South) split the party on the issue of slavery in Kansas when he attempted to pass a Federal slave code; most Democrats in the North rallied to Stephen A. Douglas, who preached "Popular Sovereignty" and believed that a Federal slave code would be undemocratic.[14]

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Wikipedia is famous more for what it gets wrong than what it gets right. I take what I read there with a grain of salt. You never can sure how many people were involved in writing up most of the stuff there and what the original sources were. Can't tell you how many times I've seen a locked page there as a result of disputes or bad info. posted there.

Just saying...

For people with an 'end justifies the means' and a ' all truth is political' mindset then simply rewriting History to serve their ends is no problem at all!

Never pay attention to what thes #ers publicly say - just focus on the results of their actions.

Powerful or influential people using falsehoods to manipulate other people's behavior is not a new phenomenon. More than a hundred years ago, "father" of modern psychology William James observed, "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it." The "big lie" technique caught fire in the John Dewey, Woodrow Wilson, FDR days of the progressive era. The concept has found fertile gray matter inside the skulls of American progressives ever since.

Progressives relentlessly preach a narrative assembled from high-sounding fallacies. And the tactic works. Eyes do indeed eventually glaze over. Fiction does gain acceptance as fact. In other words, progressive falsehoods have staying power. One progressive gimmick after another has darkened the American psyche. Multiculturalism culturally divides. Affirmative action positions "underrepresented minorities" for failure in roles for which they are under-prepared. Relentless "diversity" efforts decay into emphasis on assembling the races toward one end: the assembling of the races.

Diverse thought is diversity's main fatality. Lopsided taxation moves income from "winners" to "losers" and teaches losers to give up the idea of winning. Crime-reducing incarceration gets painted as an abomination, while feeble "rehabilitation" schemes are repackaged as successes. Sermons on "building" self-esteem dismiss the importance of earning self-esteem through achievement. Casualties of hideous political correctness occur daily, as "choice" ends the lives of tiny humans.

Dressing ugly reality in diversionary language erases no ugliness. And now the gargantuan federal debt run up through drunken deficit spending is poised to end all of the games, ending America in the process.

www.americanthinker.com...

It was conservative democrats who were pro slavery. Once you find out they were conservative, it all makes sense, doesn't it.

I am not a political animal and don't have confidence in either party. However you lost credibility in condemning a party on it's beginnings. As well as insinuating that republicans don't lie. Most here are far too intelligent to be drawn in like this. All or most all politicians lie, cheat and steal, that is why they are there. They play the game and that is all it is to them, a game. I have been there, seen it first hand, they are not there for you or I.

yah i bet it pisses you off ... its funny because all the people that arer on this website have a great deal of knowledge on the basis of how corrupt everything is .. how world leaders are trying to make everything (crappy)...and when you say .. ("you are going to let them do this for another 4 years come on people")!.. all the people that you want to understand this .. are not even on this website or know about it .. the people on this site read about it and do nothing because there isnt anything we can do .. we are along for a ride whether we like it or not ...and for the people that i said are not on this site .. (soccer moms, mainstream goons all about ego couldnt even tel you an useful fact ..idiots mainstream idiots.. idiots more worried about their hair and make up and popularity ... cant #in stand this 3 dimensional reality sometimes ... to many idiots

It's good to see that a clear majority of posters realize and know the "Left-v-Right" paradigm is nothing but the second greatest scam ever conducted on the American people, the first being obviously The Federal Reserve.

To those who still do not believe ask yourself why decade after decade that we continue to get poorer as a nation as a whole while a select few people continue to get rich?