This situation looking just like the one in poland just before ww2 was starting.
Is this the trigger to the ww3?

Originally posted by stavis

This situation looking just like the one in poland just before ww2 was starting.
Is this the trigger to the ww3?

edit on 23-4-2011 by stavis because: (no reason given)

Sure! A neo nazi little group sets a training camp and world war 3 starts because 300 people ran away...

It makes sense in every way... now, stop to think about it.

No.

National Socialism is no longer a credible threat, just a bunch of burned out rednecks with a racist agenda. It is up to the hungarian government to provide 'protection' at this point.Nazis are gone

The romas are viewed very negatively here in central Europe. Unemployment is a norm among them, and their numbers keep growing since the revolution.
Also, the left in Hungary was largely discredited due to endemic corruption and bankrupting the state. Thus it is no surprise that even such far-right groups feel more confident now.

The following undeniable question arises: What happened to the remaining males if only women and children were allowed to leave?

Originally posted by 12tracer
National Socialism is no longer a credible threat, just a bunch of burned out rednecks with a racist agenda. It is up to the hungarian government to provide 'protection' at this point.Nazis are gone

I agree with you that National Socialism doesn't pose a threat for TPTB at the moment. Their attempt to dismantle and disrupt it has worked very well. I'm a National Socialist myself and I know pretty good what's going on in "the scene" in Germany. It's kinda like "Animal Farm goes Kindergarten". But TPTB still want it exterminated, even though there is no escaping from the real National Socialism and TPTB knows that very well.

That's why every single fart by any right-wing minded group or person gets lots of media-attention.
If three skinheads beat up a foreigner it gets all the attention in the world and they will be jailed for the longest possible time. But if three foreigners murder a German in cold blood it is mentioned on page 6 without racial backgrounds and the murderers get parole. I've seen recent examples.

It's the same with this article, this fear-mongering article is here in the breaking news section and the continuing revolts, extreme vandalism on a daily bases and a recent large attack on a police-station in Berlin by an extreme leftwing group doesn't.

Sad story, I hope this doesn't turn into something more serious, it's not unusual for brutal attacks to take place on behalf of these quasi-paramilitary nationalist groups against minorities like the Roma in Europe. Hopefully all who were forced to flee will soon be able to return to their homes in peace.

ETA: There is alot of unfair propaganda which works in favour of these nationalist groups and against these minorities, all perpetuated by the maintream meda; the stereotypes against minority groups like the Roma are very pervasive and extremely malicious. Racism is tearing our society apart, hatred and intolerance are no way to live a happy, fulfilling life. People who percieve that they are without purpose naturally latch onto these nationalist groups because they need something to be a part of, they're brainwashed into thinking anyone who isn't like them and doesn't conform to their world view is an enemy.

To build a truly advanced civilization we need to pass beyond racism. Many Hungarians are deficient in this. I know as I have been living in Hungary for a while. It could be partly explained by the economy and the sorely divided partisan politics ruling the country.

The situation with the Roma could only be better in a truly cooperative civilization which truly wants to integrate minorities. As things stand, most of Hungary has been colonized by a ruthless globalist force and many Hungarians do not react well to this. Hospitals and schools are on the verge of not being able to carry the burden any more. The fact that there are well publicized Gipsy crime cases does not help this. The fact that many racist violent crimes have been recently committed against Roma people solely on the basis of race does not help this.
I agree that the situation is dangerous and paramilitary groups is where it must be stopped. the present government does a lot to stop them - but underlying tensions are growing as the standards of living have been steadily declining since the investor groups took control.
There is a spiritual-historical side too. The Holocaust was pretty bad in Hungary - both for Jews and the Roma - and many of my fellow compatriots indulge in a false sense of innocence about the forties when Hungary willingly exported hundreds of thousands of people to Nazi death camps. One would need to step out of this pattern to create a new one.
Most Hungarians who are mildly racist would basically want more security and public safety. However, there is also a bitter internal struggle between two camps in politics - one globalist (calling itself the "left" for propaganda reasons mainly) and the other nationalist.
Yet the majority do not want more violence between these two groups.
Hungarians have deep spirituality and there is an uncommon amount of geniuses here. However, they are grossly impractical. (I say they, because I spent a good part of my life abroad and am an American citizen.)

I do not think World War three is starting here. It is already going on, on a small scale, all around the world.
But as things stand, the controversy between right-wing fanatics and Gypsies is insoluble.

Hungary pays eight dollars out of every ten earned towards its national debt which was largely used up for business interests of two closed circles that fight each other in every way except physically. This is clearly a no go, in my opinion the nation has to say no to this weid debt burden just as the Argentines did. The middle class is disappearing and we are heading towards a dictatorship - which is good from the point of minorities as a temporary stopgap. The general populace feels justifiably ripped off. Yet we are in the EU, and militarily we have not been successful in the last few hundred years, despite all the documented heroism of '56 and 1848 and so on. We lost two world wars, Hungary lost two thirds of its territory in the Versailles (Trianon Castle) Treaty, with literally millions of native Hungarians excluded from their own country in a region where nation-states operate as nation states. Neighboring states in the twentieth century went on a rampage of petty vengeance - Hungarians were even forbidden to speak their own language among each other in public places in some periods.

No wonder that right-wing idelogies crop up where Hungary is the Christ of nations, being sacrificed and nailed to the Cross.

On the other side, there are Buddhist and Christian groups that organized high schools and integration possibilities for Roma kids that would want that. There are EU programs to make Roma people microentrepreneurs but the EU rarely considers how desperate and informal the economy really is and what a vast cultural change it would demand. One result of that is that EU programs rarely have enough follow-up. Usually everything that is created for the Roma is dissipated soon when the programs are over and the money and training is wasted. Roma leaders have unfavorable corruption stories.

Young Hungarians - twenty-somethings - are more hopeful. They say no to the insane free-market globalism as well as the corruption. There is also less racism in them generationally.

I do not agree to the OP's Ashkenazi angle. I do not think they are the true holders of power - true, more middle class people are Jewish and mostly Ashkenazi. I am in contact with some wonderful Jewish families that accept me as a non-Jew. My basic feeling is that they just want to be left alone without the very real antisemitism that goes on. The most powerful people in Hungary are not Jewish though. This is again a more complex question as the fear of fascism is justified, only, this time it is not sadistic totalitarian Arrow Cross members but mostly lip service. Yet I understand that when they hear the very same slogans their grandparents heard in the Forties, they get alarmed.
Usually Jewish people are more tolerant towards Gyspies, just like in the US they were the first to cooperate with the Civil Rights movement.
Recently we have some more charismatic Roma leaders but not enough. Hungary is by and large a macho country. Acceptance and tolerance are more feminine values.

Right-wing Hungarians usually regard Hungarian Jews as an alien race - which is itself a racist, non-democratic pattern of thought that Hitler and Szalasi (the leader of the terror in 44) popularized. Hungarian Jews voted last year or the year before that they do not want to be regarded as an ethnic minority. This went totally unnoticed everywhere. Such people disallow the mere existence of Hungarian Jewry which exists all the same.

The collective hysteria of teh divided parties and collective projections upon the Roma constitute a truly negative transcendence - as Jung described in the case history of German Nazism. And most want to go back to a feudal and nationalistic romanticism which is a no go.

Despite the Hungraian ultra nationalistic ideas, we owe a lot to Germans. In fact we are a composite language linguistically, the debate still ranges on whether Turkic and Turkish influence is the basis with Finno-Ugrian elements. But modern Hungary has a lot of language taken directly over from German due to the Austrian occupation during the earky days of civilization. Hungarian Christianity itself started by importing German priests to spread the faith with bloody means against native paganism.

A lot of Gypsies feel like outcasts. They live in sociologically ghettoized situations already. Yet rumors abound of Gypsy mafias that usurp their situation and show up at the welfare office with Mercedes or BMW cars whikle ordinary Hungarians are regularly denied welfare.