ATF Refusing To Cooperate With Congressional Investigation Of Murdered Border Guard

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

The BATF didn't sell or issue the weapons, they ok'd the selling of multiple assault rifles to suspected buyers for the cartels. Mind you these were legitimate gun dealers reporting mass sales of these rifles to the BATF and being told by the BATF to allow the sale. All in the hopes of the "big bust". FOX and NRA These links go back to early on in the investigation. A few threads have been started on this topic, but they seem not to be given to much consideration. Keep in mind that the Dept of Homeland Security is in charge of the BATF and that this may go into the higher ranks of the Justice Department as well.

If you want to believe that, and any other "official" news and reports on this fine... BUT...

The sales were allowed because corrupt agents and officials involved received, are receiving or will receive substantial pay-offs, and are also otherwise fully incentivized to comply, cooperate and work with, or on behalf of all entities involved, in the federal agencies, private criminal arms dealers, and parties across the border in Mexico.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Then you are missing what is going on. This is a high-up mess, probably going up to at least Holder as the head of the Justice Dept. My money is on this going up to the POTUS. We will need to wait and see.

reply to post by hangedman13


When pulling strings from the lower levels to make a deal happen, sometimes people in high places get tugged on while oblivious to what was actually going on and may have approved something without knowing how deep the rabbit hole really was.

This too can be taken care of, no worries.

This will not go that high up, nor will it get more attention, it will all be buried very soon.

Calm down, you're day dreaming again... Listen to the MSM, leave this one alone... Especially if you're involved in it, directly, or indirectly.

Just want to take a moment to wish all of my corrupt friends in law enforcement out there a very Happy Easter.

I really, really hope none of you choke to death on really dry yokes inside of any of those over-boiled, pretty colored eggs your wives have made for you tomorrow.

Remember this...

ATF Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

(CBS News) WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.

Yep...and since this was a big operation, the orders were coming from THE TOP OF THE ATF... And since it affected ``national security``... probably even up to Obama and Holder giving the go ahead.

How high it went?

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department.

And the kicker :

The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

IT WAS KEPT SECRET FROM MEXICO!! Hell if the Mexican president wasn't a big sell out, he would bring the US government in international court or sue them for arming terrorists knowingly and indict Obama/Holder/Napolitano for terrorism.

Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.

So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it.

And to buy this type of guns at a gun shop, you need government approval right? They knew those people were cartels, and they did approve the selling...

Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.

THOUSANDS OF GUNS.


THE ATF HAS AIDED IN THE MURDER OF HUNDREDS, PERHAPS THOUSANDS OF INNOCENTS.

And they say ``Libya`` or ``Iran`` is threat! GIVE ME A BREAK!

reply to post by Vitchilo


Relax Vitch, I'm sure we can have one of our many resident ATS law enforcement, and/or government agency experts post in this thread about how this was all perfectly justified.

Helping the right cartels, and gangs win can be very beneficial to business on this side of the border.

Originally posted by hangedman13
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1

 

The BATF didn't sell or issue the weapons, they ok'd the selling of multiple assault rifles to suspected buyers for the cartels. Mind you these were legitimate gun dealers reporting mass sales of these rifles to the BATF and being told by the BATF to allow the sale. All in the hopes of the "big bust". FOX and NRA These links go back to early on in the investigation. A few threads have been started on this topic, but they seem not to be given to much consideration. Keep in mind that the Dept of Homeland Security is in charge of the BATF and that this may go into the higher ranks of the Justice Department as well.

Based upon exclusively what you are saying it was a buy and Bust", having ATF sell weapons to catch someone buying a cache of weapons in a ruse to get someone on legit weapons purchasing which is a A1 Tier Felony in the eyes of The US Federal Government. Even if the catch links back to a what would be known as Federal authourity.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Relax Vitch, I'm sure we can have one of our many resident ATS law enforcement, and/or government agency experts post in this thread about how this was all perfectly justified.

now that would be sweet but given how whistle blowers are treated in the USA I have my doubts.

heres a thought

how about congress investigate itself for not sealing the southnern border to begin with.

atf doesnt call its own shots they cant do anything without upper management approval.

that means like someone already said holder and obama.

the atf is just being made a scapegoat here to bring poltical pressure and pave the way for anmesty and getting the hispanic populations votes.


this is all politics people the higher ups are selling national security for politics.

Originally posted by neo96
heres a thought

how about congress investigate itself for not sealing the southnern border to begin with.

atf doesnt call its own shots they cant do anything without upper management approval.

that means like someone already said holder and obama.

the atf is just being made a scapegoat here to bring poltical pressure and pave the way for anmesty and getting the hispanic populations votes.


this is all politics people the higher ups are selling national security for politics.

Thank the financial mess and THe GOP for ending the Southern Border Fence and why would we want to be compared to Israel who was walled off Palestine.

Isn't it kind of treasonous for the ATF to refuse to release it's records to congressional oversight?
Does that make it a rogue agency?

reply to post by Vitchilo


none of this surprises me.

if it is so secret, why in the news?

Originally posted by dethduck
Isn't it kind of treasonous for the ATF to refuse to release it's records to congressional oversight?
Does that make it a rogue agency?

The BATF would not be treasonist but the agents would be treasonist if they do not comply with any Congressional inquiries.

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by dethduck
Isn't it kind of treasonous for the ATF to refuse to release it's records to congressional oversight?
Does that make it a rogue agency?

The BATF would not be treasonist but the agents would be treasonist if they do not comply with any Congressional inquiries.

At least its leadership you would hope. However, now I have to wonder how long this and other agencies have and continue to operate without any oversight.

Originally posted by dethduck

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

Originally posted by dethduck
Isn't it kind of treasonous for the ATF to refuse to release it's records to congressional oversight?
Does that make it a rogue agency?

The BATF would not be treasonist but the agents would be treasonist if they do not comply with any Congressional inquiries.

At least its leadership you would hope. However, now I have to wonder how long this and other agencies have and continue to operate without any oversight.

The problem is that The GOP won't allow the new Director of The ATF to be confirmed or even heard so they've only got an Acting Director and Acting Deputy Director. No permanent person.