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The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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reply to post by SaturnFX
 


You are talking to one of the original TP members here. I actually dumped teabags into the boston harbor, during Ron Paul's campaign for presidency. I say you are full of it, it was a bunch of normal people, that latched onto an idea, and went with it. There were no rich people funding us, we paid for our own teabags.




posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by bruji76

Originally posted by neo96
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big deal how much went to gm and the united autoworkers?

how much of the stimulus when to big unions and lawyers.

please man

change your rap its getting old

Problem is you think you get taxed to help poor people, when actually most of your taxes go to make rich people richer.
And that's just the taxes you see. There are also hidden taxes that get poor people money and give it to the riches via interests and inflation.
A little video for you:
www.youtube.com...


No, that would be the bleeding heart liberal do-gooders who think they are feeding the masses, but how much money goes to financial aid to foreign powers (like Mubarak, who ended up with 70 billion in his personal accounts) or to the UN(like WHO) to support all sorts of odd things, like financial incentives to couples who limit their family size. Stimulus money went into upgrading databases to accomdate new laws in healthcare. Stimulus money was said to be going to SIECUS programs. So is SIECUS wealthy? Is the UN a private corporation? Obama does give money and power to all his friends though. And what about that scandal about ACORN getting public money while giving supposed pimps advice on how to set up businesses?



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:36 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


I see nothing wrong with belonging to a party just because it will be infiltrated by powerful interest groups. This ALWAYS HAPPENS and is inevitable! What I do not understand is why the green party, socialist party, libertarian party, constitutional party collectively get less than 1% of the total vote.


Well, thats because the parties you just listed are extreme.
People by swarming vast majority are not extreme...and actually hate extreme anything, be it liberal or conservative on anything.
the fringe in those partys may have their heart going for them, but know ultimately the people will choose the ones near the center, so will end up voting for them

the other partys exist only to shout really loud in the hopes that the middle people will consider some of their issues when they are elected.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Funny, none of the people I met in boston were calling themselves that. I never heard of the term until liberal TV was calling us teabaggers, and were defining what teabagging was.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


You are talking to one of the original TP members here. I actually dumped teabags into the boston harbor, during Ron Paul's campaign for presidency. I say you are full of it, it was a bunch of normal people, that latched onto an idea, and went with it. There were no rich people funding us, we paid for our own teabags.


Be that as it may, the current "Tea Party" in Washington is run by former Bush-operative Dick Armey's FreedomWorks. This is well known, and has received a lot of negative press from many in the 'ron paul' wing of the movement.How can you claim to be part of the tea party and not know this simple fact? It would appear you cant tell the difference between a Neo-con and a libertarian.
edit on 23-4-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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The videos tell the truth. Great OP Cushycrux!
The Tea party is conservative Republican dogma on steroids . . . that’s all it is—nothing more. Conservative Republican philosophy is simply . . . love the rich and neglect the middle class and the poor. It is basically an anti-human, immoral and selfish philosophy that is the whole creation of people like the Kock brothers whose only interest is their business not the American people.

All the rhetoric about deficits is only an attempt by the Republican lackeys of the super-rich to end the New Deal programs by starving the budget with tax cuts for the rich, and bloated defense spending and of course wars all over the place. They will then claim: oh we don’t have any more money for education, health care, social security, Medicare and Medicaid. Of course they don’t; they have cut taxes for the rich so much--starving tax revenue--first under Reagan then the second Bush, as well the 2008 bailout of the Wall Street banksters—by a Republican administration—that the deficit has gone up.

REPUBLICANS DID THAT.

Bill Clinton left a balanced budget.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by bruji76

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by bruji76
 


big deal how much went to gm and the united autoworkers?

how much of the stimulus when to big unions and lawyers.

please man

change your rap its getting old

Problem is you think you get taxed to help poor people, when actually most of your taxes go to make rich people richer.
And that's just the taxes you see. There are also hidden taxes that get poor people money and give it to the riches via interests and inflation.
A little video for you:
www.youtube.com...


No, that would be the bleeding heart liberal do-gooders who think they are feeding the masses, but how much money goes to financial aid to foreign powers (like Mubarak, who ended up with 70 billion in his personal accounts) or to the UN(like WHO) to support all sorts of odd things, like financial incentives to couples who limit their family size. Stimulus money went into upgrading databases to accomdate new laws in healthcare. Stimulus money was said to be going to SIECUS programs. So is SIECUS wealthy? Is the UN a private corporation? Obama does give money and power to all his friends though. And what about that scandal about ACORN getting public money while giving supposed pimps advice on how to set up businesses?

I am not saying no money went to social welfare, I am saying that much more money than that went to pay bankers rescues, bankers interests, etc, and also tons of money went to the war industries to make arm lords richer.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by SaturnFX
 


You are talking to one of the original TP members here. I actually dumped teabags into the boston harbor, during Ron Paul's campaign for presidency. I say you are full of it, it was a bunch of normal people, that latched onto an idea, and went with it. There were no rich people funding us, we paid for our own teabags.


Not talking about the paul tea party

talking about the now mainstream TPE, which is a different animal

the paul movement initially was rallying against the bush tax cuts and the hyper spending of bush. it carried on and the second O jumped in, faux news and koch took and stole the party.

I have a issue with the original tea party mind you, but only their namesake...the movement of responsible conservative fiscal policys is a good movement, but the tea party itself is a old american movement of taxation without representation...which is not what even paul's party is about

like me making a party "Holocast survivors" and make it about people whom survived the bush years...it is almost historically insulting.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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tax cuts for who? i didnt get any

www.usatoday.com...




About $318 billion would go to cash-strapped state and local governments facing the prospect of layoffs or tax increases


translation government union jobs mean the vast unionization of america





An additional $102 billion would help victims of the recession with unemployment insurance, health care, food stamps and job training. Jobless aid, available for up to 59 weeks, would be increased by about $25 a week.


entitlements anyone?




Much of the $275 billion in tax cuts would go to middle-income families in the form of $1,000 tax cuts ($500 for individuals).


didnt see any tax cut myself but i have noticed the my taxes have increased.


yeah feel free to source up here too.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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It would seem that the wishes of the majority of the people. With the exception of the Liberals that because their platform is borderline communism all they can do is make up lies because they know the tea party will be the end of their party. But my point it seems that everybody figures that why even bother voting. I had that mindset for the first 30 years of my life. The problem with that is These parties are gradually taking all off our rights. I'm sure the tea party has big name company support but frankly you have to pick one. Unless you have decided to sit on the sidelines and let what is left of our free country turn into every other socialistic society. No thanks.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Hmmm.... Maybe because the 3 TP groups I was part of never recieved funding from anyone? We raised our own funds, and paid our own ways to protests. Dick Armey, never gave us any money....



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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You hit the nail squarely on the head. In my opinion, of course.

We the people can vote. We the people vote in the same people that oppress us...year after year.

So, "we the people" should be happy because "we the people" vote in our oppressors.

But, some of us aren't happy with the way that "we the people" vote.... We are pissed that so many people are so clueless. We are the ones, coincidentally, that believe in a REPUBLIC with CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS written by enlightened individuals...ethical individuals....the sorts of folks that can found a constitutional republic.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by incrediblelousminds
 


Funny, none of the people I met in boston were calling themselves that. I never heard of the term until liberal TV was calling us teabaggers, and were defining what teabagging was.


Well, I'm glad your anecdotal evidence trumps my linked references to 'tea partiers' using the term 'tea bag' as a verb.




posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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Hmmmmmm.... As I said, I was part of THE ORIGINAL TP Movement, before websites like the ones advertising with those signs, even caught a wiff of it.... The only national media that covered us was RT. Other than that it was a few local channels.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Stewie
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 

You hit the nail squarely on the head. In my opinion, of course.

We the people can vote. We the people vote in the same people that oppress us...year after year.

So, "we the people" should be happy because "we the people" vote in our oppressors.

But, some of us aren't happy with the way that "we the people" vote.... We are pissed that so many people are so clueless. We are the ones, coincidentally, that believe in a REPUBLIC with CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS written by enlightened individuals...ethical individuals....the sorts of folks that can found a constitutional republic.



Well, of course, you get to vote between two options that don't represent you, of course, your freedom doesn't exist. You can chose if you want to be hanged or decapitated, that's capitalist democracy freedom for you.

BTW, I am still waiting for neo to name at least ONE economist he ever read.
Or even better, to name at least two economists he read, with different views, and what did they say, and why were they right or wrong.
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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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tax cuts for who? i didnt get any

-snip to focus on point 1-

didnt see any tax cut myself but i have noticed the my taxes have increased.


Source
the number your seeking is 300 billion

feel free to search and find out how much you saved.

if you seen your taxes increase, thats because you fail at using basic math, or your talking numerically because your making more money and your using spin words..

under bush I paid no taxes, now under obama, I am paying thousands (spin talk for under bush I was unemployeed, now I am employeed).


So, either you simply didn't know about the tax cuts, and have been speaking against something that was incorrect unwittingly, or your a dirtbag liar whom will gladly sell his soul for making a bogus point on the internet...which one?



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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Yes, but giving taxpayer money to his crony friends in corporations does not make him a Capitalist. Socialists use corporations to achieve their goals, and in fact they are actually dependent on corporations because they do not create wealth of their own. Instead it is redistribution of income, which is a key tenet of Socialism.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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no my math is fine doesnt matter if people claimed so called tax cuts and then go raise the price of goods and services we use on a daily bases.

obama i lowered taxes!!! ok prices of food and gas have risen the prices of other services has risen as well.

so i saved money? that is laughable.


the fact is i had more money in my pocket with bush and that is a huge fact
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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by bruji76
 


Yes, but giving taxpayer money to his crony friends in corporations does not make him a Capitalist. Socialists use corporations to achieve their goals, and in fact they are actually dependent on corporations because they do not create wealth of their own. Instead it is redistribution of income, which is a key tenet of Socialism.

That's not socialism at all. That's just crony capitalism. Not surprise, because greed includes putting your cronies interests above general interests, and capitalism is a greed driven system.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 10:55 PM
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It is late here, and I am going to bed. BUT,
you seem to have a problem with capitalism. I don't really get it, and I know that you have a dream about a better way...
So, tomorrow, if you will provide an example of this "better" way, this system that works for everyone and leaves no child behind...so to speak, in practice, in the real world...
I will check it out.

I think it is a pipe dream, myself. I don't have the faith in mankind. I believe some people are capable of extraordinary things, but not everyone or most people. But, I believe ALL of us should be free to live.

Or die. Sometimes because life is just too tough.

That is nature.



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