The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

Originally posted by beezzer
Sorry your head hurts. I suppose if you want to count web interaction as "talking" then, yes. But I wouldn't say so personally. Face to face is what I prefer. But even then, it'd be just one persons' opinion.

Have you ever thought about attending a Tea Party rally in your area?

Thank you for answering my question then. No, I have not considered that because I like a lot of the people in my area. This is the reason I refuse to have these discussions with friends and family. They want to yell about Obama being a socialist so I just stick to the weather because I do not want to be yelled at by my friends and family. Nor do I want to see my neighbors screaming and yelling the same crap the fill my email box with. I know what I see from the people that claim TEA party affiliation but when it comes to interacting with them, I am keeping that at a safe distance. I do find it odd however that on a place such as ATS, in thread such as this, you suggest that my time on ATS equates to merely exchanging a few posts with just you. There seem to be a lot of TEA party folks on ATS and I find myself engaging with many of them quite often. I guess I hoped that counted as trying to understand them directly from them instead of letting the media shape it for me. Guess I am all out of luck then. Thanks.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

Why do we need to control anything but the enforcement of contracts and the protection of the rights of all parties involved?

Why do you have a problem with people making money?

I only have a problem with people making money when they profit from exploiting other people labor, rather than their own.

Originally posted by bruji76

What you are failing to see here it's that government is neither a savior or the main power, but only a sock puppet from some capitalist interests, who attempt to compete another capitalists who in turn will do the same when their own sock puppets get elected, but in the middle, normal people keeps slaved just changing from one master to the other, because neither of them cares about normal people. It's all about just a territory fight between different masters.

Corporations have become too big and powerful for any national government. Its not just an american problem, its an international problem. I always disliked capitalism due to corporatism, and since the BP oil volcano that damaged the gulf of mexico and the TEPCO nuclear disaster in japan, I have grown to hate it much more than before.

Governments are STOOGES for the corporate elite and the illuminatti crime families hide their wealth by laundering the money from one company to another in so called "investments"; drug money, weapons, spying from one shell company to another. Yeah the "pink sheets"......

reply to post by bruji76


First, you make the assertion YOU prove it. That's how these things work. I believe in the presumption of innocence unless PROVEN guilty.

Secondly, creativity has nothing to do with what you're trying to say.

You're trying to demonize property rights and the enforcement of contracts by saying that creativity never took place.

You seem to not be grasping the fact that what you are asserting is not the root of the problem. The problem you seem to have is that the person who WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY sold the property to someone else isn't entitled to the fruits the property produced after it's sale.

If I buy a house and it goes up in value it is MY value that I own. It matter not who painted the house.

The only absolute truth here is that the progressive liberals are getting beat at there own community organizer game.You can spout all the hate and ridicule you want at the Tea Party but it won't stop them.

Thanks to Obama and all his lie's and rhetoric and now the unions and Muslims join in the choir of whiner's the country has had the opportunity to see the real socialist movement and what kind of people they are and better yet what they offer.................. or else.

reply to post by bruji76


Again, what exploitation?

You seem to not understand that employment and wages are voluntary in this country. No one is being forced to do anything.

If you want a better wage work for it. If you don't want to work for a wage start your own business.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
And now the race card comes into play

You did not understand my question then if you felt I was playing the race card. I was merely asking a question about media and perceptions as that relates to the discussion at hand about real vs. media driven perception of the TEA party. If it upset you, then perhaps you are a tad too sensitive to anything relating to race at all. Sorry.

.............while having nothing to do with the Tea Party.

No, and I did not say that it did, My question about perception did though. I just wanted an answer, not a dissertation on how little you understood that simple question.

If you really need your question answered, look up the ratio of upper class white girls commiting crimes vs. minorites, then make up some pc excuses why and post them. You should work for this administration, at least they'd have one transparent person.

Your rant is really cute but all it did was sidestep what I actually did ask and cry about a race card I never played. Well done.

Sorry that even mentioning race causes some people to explode so let me ask it this way.

Why do you suppose I see more animal cruelty cases on the news about dogs than I do horses?
Why do you suppose I see more fatal car accidents involving SUVs as opposed to compact cars on the news?

Same question, no race involved. Hopefully it can be addressed now?

Originally posted by Battleline
The only absolute truth here is that the progressive liberals are getting beat at there own community organizer game.You can spout all the hate and ridicule you want at the Tea Party but it won't stop them.

Thanks to Obama and all his lie's and rhetoric and now the unions and Muslims join in the choir of whiner's the country has had the opportunity to see the real socialist movement and what kind of people they are and better yet what they offer.................. or else.

Please back up what you say with facts.

Originally posted by beezzer
Dunno. Ask the news agency providing the information. Do THEY have an agenda? What is the ratio of upper class white girls vs minorities that get mug shots?

Why do e drive on parkways and park on driveways? I don't get your question. (then again, I'm kinda slow)

From reading this thread it would seem that you are all experts on how the media manipulates people. That is your entire defense against the OP so I am asking you for your expertise. Did it go away?

Originally posted by wasco2
reply to post by Sinnthia

 

Aren't you cute? Coyly trying to bring out that racism that we simply MUST be hiding?

When did I say anything about you and racism? Did I say the TEA party controls the news or that the TEA party controls arrest rates? Please help me understand what you think I wrote.

So tell me, why do you think it is? I'll give you a hint: Look through the FBI Uniform Crime Reports a little and maybe even a liberal can figure it out. Hint 2: It's not because the media are racist either.

So are you saying that what they are showing is an accurate portrayal of reality?

What we are seeing is eighty years of propaganda and indoctrination.

frontpagemag.com...

Please ignore the title of this piece, it really says nothing and takes away from the important message that it has to offer.

While reading the debate here, it reminded me of this article I read today.

He is the representative of the Fareed Zakaria ideology at work, celebrating the post-American world

I had to look him up BTW,

More realistically, however, President Obama is the culmination of a century of foreign infiltration already in place. The turning of America’s institutions of higher education took place decades ago; it is too little too late to focus on such infiltration now. Beginning in the early 20th century, America’s colleges and universities were infiltrated by German thought, then thought to be the most sophisticated in the world. That school of thought, a merger of Hegelian utopianism and Marxist classism, quickly infected America’s halls of power. Theodore Roosevelt, always trendy, bought into the new “progressivism” with alacrity, jettisoning the Constitution and capitalism in the process. Bringing this perverse ideology to American shores, Teddy announced, “We of to-day who stand for the Progressive movement here in the United States are not wedded to any particular kind of machinery, save solely as means to the end desired.” This was the philosophy of incipient dictatorship. It was brought to its near-term apex under a college professor, Woodrow Wilson, who thought that the Constitution itself needed to be stripped away.

Even as Wilson and Roosevelt began implementing German philosophy in American government – with disastrous results including the decimation of growing American industries and a bizarre foreign policy focused on global institutions rather than American interests – Europeans abroad began to plan the next step of the American takeover. Members of the Frankfurt School, German philosophers who recognized that class conflict would not take place openly, traveled to the United States, where they proceeded to agitate for an even more extreme version of German Hegelian-Marxism.

Frankfurt School philosophers believed that Marxism had failed to produce widespread transnational class uprisings because societies were already too ensconced in a culture of capitalism. Culture and society themselves had to be destroyed in order to make way for a new brand of equality. And the first step toward such a revolution was destruction of traditional logic, destruction of traditional mores, and destruction of America’s homegrown culture. Men like Herbert Marcuse led the charge here, telling members of President Obama’s generation to make love, not war, and to fight the powers that be. America was cruel, and only by indoctrinating Americans in a new way of thinking could that cruelty be fought.

The philosophy of the Frankfurt School, making an alliance with trendy French post modernism, spread like wildfire through the academic world.

Why some of us are able to pierce the veil and other are not I don't know.

hmmm had to edit that a tad, oops

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reply to post by projectvxn


Sorry but I am not sure that addressed what I asked. I asked again without race so that maybe it will be easier for people to answer without getting all kinds of upset and defensive over what they assumed I meant instead of understanding what I asked. Thanks for responding anyway. It does lead me to ask if you are also saying that what I am seeing on the news is because it is an accurate portrayal of reality?

reply to post by Stormdancer777


if you saw that thread about the righties brains are wrong thats why

Completely agree with EarthCitizen

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

First, you make the assertion YOU prove it. That's how these things work. I believe in the presumption of innocence unless PROVEN guilty.

LOL, who are you, Bill Gates?
Microsoft accepted to settle in the DR-DOS sue. Why would they settle if they were innocent?

Secondly, creativity has nothing to do with what you're trying to say.

You're trying to demonize property rights and the enforcement of contracts by saying that creativity never took place.

You seem to not be grasping the fact that what you are asserting is not the root of the problem. The problem you seem to have is that the person who WILLINGLY and KNOWINGLY sold the property to someone else isn't entitled to the fruits the property produced after it's sale.

If I buy a house and it goes up in value it is MY value that I own. It matter not who painted the house.

LOL, the thing it's that the guy who sold the program to Bill Gates didn't have enough info to make a right decision, and was coined by Bill Gates, who had all info in hand. So how can a system that allows coining others and profiting not from talent but from using insiders info to coin others, be a fair system at all?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Stormdancer777

 

if you saw that thread about the righties brains are wrong thats why

I think I read that article, but didn't read the post here at ATS

Originally posted by projectvxn
Well She really didn't see the worker as they who produce the wealth in America. And she would be right.

That is not elitist how?

Plus I think you need to explain to me how any CEO ever made an honest dime without the workers on the floor. Did Henry Ford build all those cars himself? Could he have? That is just about the definition of elitist up there.

I don't share her more harsh views of the common worker. But the left tries to portray the worker as the engine that drives America and they aren't. They are contractors who sign up to do a job until they are not needed or move on to bigger better things.

Right, who needs the people that do the work?

The left seems to think that workers have a right to a job. They do not. It is not the impetus of business to create jobs, it is to create profit. Without profit there are no jobs.

I am not sure where you get your ideas about the left but for a thread full of people crying about how unfair it is to generalize, you seem a tad ironic.

Originally posted by neo96
last time i l checked alot of them ran as independents and some ran as republicans no doubt.

When exactly was the last time you checked? Just how many independents do you think are currently in the 112th congress? For your convenience, here's a breakdown of the current congress from the following source;

www.thecapitol.net...

Current Party Numbers: 112th Congress, 1st Session

----------------------------House----------------Senate
Democrats.....................192.....................51
Independents....................0.......................2
Republicans...................241.....................47
Vacancies.........................2.......................0

If, as reported, more than 30% of the of the newly elected congressmen were Tea Party candidates and "alot of them ran as independents," then where the hell are the newly elected "Independent" Tea Party candidates?

I guess that tea partiers who spout off things like "last time I checked," when the facts clearly indicate that they didn't check at all, just think that no one else will check either. I also noticed that many of the self proclaimed tea partiers posting in this thread have stated that they won't even watch the videos presented by the OP. Proof that the typical tea partier will refuse to even consider any information that may conflict with their predetermined opinion. Who has time for facts anyway?

If you want to peer out of the rabbit whole, you're going to have to give up Wonderland.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

who controls the horizontal and the verticle in american society?

who indoctrinates american youths in school and film and televsion?

who controls unions in this country that make and provide goods and services and essential emergency services in this country?

who controls the entire educaltion process in american and who are not how to think but what to think?


the left defines what is right and wrong in this country that have for decades.


america produces nothing but morons anymore and the point of that exercise in control is for the mass manipulation to keep and maintain their power base.

those things neither the right or the teaparties ever had.


there is alot of bs in this thread but none by me.

sorry.

I guess 60 years of mcarthyist brainwashing will do that to anyone. Make up be down, left be right, night be day, day be night.............etc I think you get my drift! I truely despise your views but have nothing against you on a personal level.

I am not even a communist. Inf fact I despise communism just as much as capitalism but someone on the far-right of the political spectrum is incapable of clear vision. I guess one more step to the right and you would be an anarchist!

I am a socialist, center of the political spectrum, aka centrist. In america if your not at least a moderate capitalist then you must be a communist. It would be funny if not so sad!!!

Originally posted by 46ACE
"sinnthea" it counts the same as as handling an irritated rattlesnake in full rattle mode does for all snakes being "bad".

By asking a TEA party person if talking to them on and online forum counts as interacting with any TEA party people I was handling a rattlesnake?

And you got stars for that? I do not even get it. It was just a simple freaking question.

"Teaparty affiliated people" are kicked; provoked; prodded; insulted; told what we ALL THINK"; " The "REAL" reason we don't like Obama" and called names by the overwhelming vocal majority of libs here. Excuse us for coming across as defensive or put off.
ADDED: If you are getting a response from a teaparty person in the first place its probably the result of some liberal democrat busy pointing out how narrow minded,selfish and sold out they were.for their opinions.Quit trying to "blow smoke up our rears"Here. You know very well how conservatives are treated here.

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Wow. I just asked if talking to someone like you counts as talking to someone like you. Holy crap you guys need to take a breath.

I see I was right, the "right " had to wait til the rest of their under educated ignorant masses woke up to star and flag and lambast a post giving people real information. Beezer said it best...he or she doesnt need to watch the videos because they already have made up their mind. LOL bunch of stool pigeons cant even think for themselves...gee Beezer Ill give ya 10 bucks to believe what I say ...what a tool. Hehe gee mister Koch will you pay me to cut my willy off to fill your coffers? what a bunch of fools for listening to these thin lipped sissys. Id love to meet either Koch brother and ask them to speak for themselves..its a wonder why people who will always be slaves support the people who are their masters...laughable desk jockeys

Does anyone really think they're going to convince someone to change their beliefs? What's the point of all this really? We're all agitated with the system that 'is',and taking it out on each other as if we aren't all guilty of being wrong in some way. These parties, these religions, these governments all work to divide and control us, and we take it out on each other. The whole things seems so foolish... and now here I am part of it, typing this and for what? Does it make myself feel better to spew random thoughs and feelings? Have I opened hearts and minds? Not likely... this entire site is compartmentalization for dissent and a battle between logic and reason in a world that cares more about money and control than anything reasonable.

The other day, i was thinking about how much I despise war, and I went so far in that thinking to say all soldiers are brainwashed idiots, undeserving of honor for the simple fact that they are employed by greedy old men who train them to murder people. No one is fighting for freedoms anymore, except maybe the little guy in his mud hut. My freedoms are only going down with each passing year, so to me, soldiers equals epic fail. But then I remembered members of my family who went to Iraq and I hated that I could call them brainwashed people, stupid and mindless. They aren't. They're good people... and family. I think that's what we all are.

We are not democrats or republicans, conservatives or liberals, tea partiers or whatever comes next ...We are all simply people who are trying to do the best we can and want to see the world become a better place for all and I wish we could figure out a way to do it without all the hatred and violence.

If you're a tea partier, I give a sh*t about the label... Hopefully you'rea good husband, or wife, mother, father, sister, or brother, son, daughter, or friend. i hope this wasn't too far off topic.