The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by bruji76

 

more politicially correct words.

well until poor people start providing for others and start creating wealth in this country.

Wow this is ignorant. How did russia create wealth in the ex soviet union? How did china create wealth before switching to socialism/capitalism? How did western europe create wealth with mild socialism 2-3 decades ago?

Did they steal money from the wealthy? No...all they did was nationalise industry as hugo chavez of venezuela is doing now. You speak of wealth as though it is a good thing--wealth is not necessary to survive! People can live bare bones or they can live like kings. Its what you want from society and how you wish to live.

parasite might be considered a harsh word but it describes perfectly todays world.

Inflammatory stupidity! I don't see rich SPOILED BRATS breaking sweats from 9-5, paying ALL THEIR INCOME TAXES because they have to, having to work on christmas and easter! Just lots of whinning with no cause.

You have a lot of unfounded nerve calling people parasites and I don't even use that word on my enemies let alone here. Get a clue man!

hell its just a book

Yeah it seems to be a very stupid book at that but I guess even idiots are allowed opinions..........

Originally posted by bruji76

Originally posted by projectvxn
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I defy you to prove with documentation that Microsoft committed fraud and that Bill Gates is a fraud.

There's tons over there. Just to name one, on the top of my mind, I remember in the old days of Windows 3.1 for Microsoft DOS they were sued by another software company who made their own DOS, that Windows had a hidden code so it won't install in their version of DOS, but not because they were not compatible, but because the program actually was designed to install only after checking it was Microsoft DOS and not other version the one in the PC.
Also, it is pretty known the fact, that actually Bill Gates didn't actually developed DOS, but bought it cheaply to another programmer and later sold it for millions to IBM. Also he robbed Windows ideas from Apple Mac. Just search the web, there's tons of evidence about that.

edit on 23-4-2011 by bruji76 because: (no reason given)

No, YOU made the claim. Back it up.

I've heard all the rumors and BS for decades and have YET to see someone come up with any proof.

By the way, if YOU sell the rights to a piece of property to another person that person is entitled to do what he wants with that property as you no longer hold those rights.

Umm... You should read on your own the sources. The thing is that no real communist or socialist country ever existed yet. They were all failed attempts. Real communism should lead to a society where state is not needed, and direct democracy (as opposed to representative democracy) should rule.

Good old koch brothers and their pseudo billionare grassroots movements to rally against concepts, meanwhile electing people that give their specific industries incredible control over the financial and regulatory impact of the country.

Because...the tea partys main goal is to make sure the entire power structure is held by a select group of insanely powerful organizations.

I give no credit to anyone following a koch brothers invention..

Their brainwashing is so complete that they will scream about government getting out of your life, then cheer when government dismantles districts and remove the peoples right to form unions.

They are either sinfully stupid, or liars...thats really the only two outcomes...I am thinking most are just stupid though.

Props to Koch for corralling up the 25% worst mindsets and turning it into a force though..Quick, someone talk about Soros and intangable concepts so we can ignore the very real leglation and dismantling of the republic by Koch
(notice, I am not saying "republicans"...there is a world of difference between being a fiscally responsible republican and a corporate drone koch slave)

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the soviet union and china makes their wealth off cheap labor of their own people and by cheap i am not talking about $50 and hour over here pushing a button and getting maternity leave and 6 weeks of vacation time.

basically they made their wealth stealing from the average citizen .


and i dont see any welfare people sweating from any jobs and who PAY NOT TAX WHATSOEVER and get paid by PEOPLE WHO DO WORK.


yeah people are allowed opinions and most of us dont waste the time or thread space posting

people seem to forget its a two way street on here ever stop to consider what the other poster is thinking on the other side of the lcd screen but just doesnt waste their time.

Originally posted by bruji76
and direct democracy (as opposed to representative democracy) should rule.

Direct Democracy is the worst form of government imaginable
mob rule.
everyone gets jailed eventually.

What, in nature, is the worst sort of creature? Is it "the rich"?
Maybe some of the rich could qualify.
But, to me, it doesn't matter how "rich" you are. Rich doesn't mean evil, or "worthless".
To me, the worst creatures are worthless creatures. In nature, worthless creatures die...unless they are human.
What separates the human? Sure, the human takes care of their young, but this happens in the animal kingdom also. To a point. But, in the animal kingdom, the worthless still die after the mommy and daddy animal get on with their lives.

But, in the exclusively human reality, we seem quite content empowering the worthless. We are spoon fed many reasons for allowing money to flow into worthless hands. If we happen to be white, well, just shut up and pay, okay? Oh, and just in case you misunderstand me because you have political correctness glasses on, white people can be worthless too.

The point is this. Any ideology that furthers the interest of worthless people, people who contribute nothing to society but raw manure, is not an ideology that will ever benefit any society. If anyone wants to know what is happening to our society, just look at the politically correct ideology that is in place. Look at who promotes it. Look at who seems quite content with it.

Then, look at the TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY people, the common people, not the talking heads. Make up your own mind.

Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by bruji76

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

I defy you to prove with documentation that Microsoft committed fraud and that Bill Gates is a fraud.

There's tons over there. Just to name one, on the top of my mind, I remember in the old days of Windows 3.1 for Microsoft DOS they were sued by another software company who made their own DOS, that Windows had a hidden code so it won't install in their version of DOS, but not because they were not compatible, but because the program actually was designed to install only after checking it was Microsoft DOS and not other version the one in the PC.
Also, it is pretty known the fact, that actually Bill Gates didn't actually developed DOS, but bought it cheaply to another programmer and later sold it for millions to IBM. Also he robbed Windows ideas from Apple Mac. Just search the web, there's tons of evidence about that.

edit on 23-4-2011 by bruji76 because: (no reason given)

No, YOU made the claim. Back it up.

I've heard all the rumors and BS for decades and have YET to see someone come up with any proof.

Just google Microsoft fraud and you will get tons of material.
For example, you have some about the sue about windows compatibility I mentioned before:
en.wikipedia.org...-DOS_compatibility

By the way, if YOU sell the rights to a piece of property to another person that person is entitled to do what he wants with that property as you no longer hold those rights.

Really? So coining someone into selling cheap something valuable is now a "productive" rather than a "looter" actitude?

The T partie is the coming together of disjunctive individuals.
Disjunctive individuals divide themselves up into parts; each
has their own empire,some more today, less tomorrow. Each
has a Superior God Vs the others lesser god. A disjunctive
synthesis forms into a delirium. This delirium further decomposes
the disjunctive individual which swallows the individual into
paranoia. These emotions run deep. Now they find themselves
in politics where they want their desires fulfilled. Half of them will
become basket cases when they find they can’t keep themselves
together, in face of the compromises of their fellow T partiers.

reply to post by bruji76


We hear this alot from commies.

"Real communism has not been done yet".

You know why that is?

Because people are greedy. They crave control and they want to have it all.

Commies like you seem to think you can fight human nature by the very same counter-natural mechanisms that previous generations tried and failed to do for the same reasons.

Pressing the same button over an over again expecting a different result each time is the definition of insanity.

I will take darwinistic capitalism any day than a system that portends to be able to do away with societal entropy. Any system that pretends it can beat nature will surly be destroyed by it.

That's why our current government is falling apart. They think they can prevent failure, prevent suffering, prevent mistakes. You can't.

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So a lawsuit that was settled is reason to believe that everything microsoft has done is fraud...Yeah ok. Try harder.

Secondly, if you SELL property it is NO LONGER your property.

That's reality. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Stewie
What, in nature, is the worst sort of creature? Is it "the rich"?
Maybe some of the rich could qualify.
But, to me, it doesn't matter how "rich" you are. Rich doesn't mean evil, or "worthless".
To me, the worst creatures are worthless creatures. In nature, worthless creatures die...unless they are human.
What separates the human? Sure, the human takes care of their young, but this happens in the animal kingdom also. To a point. But, in the animal kingdom, the worthless still die after the mommy and daddy animal get on with their lives.

But, in the exclusively human reality, we seem quite content empowering the worthless. We are spoon fed many reasons for allowing money to flow into worthless hands. If we happen to be white, well, just shut up and pay, okay? Oh, and just in case you misunderstand me because you have political correctness glasses on, white people can be worthless too.

The point is this. Any ideology that furthers the interest of worthless people, people who contribute nothing to society but raw manure, is not an ideology that will ever benefit any society. If anyone wants to know what is happening to our society, just look at the politically correct ideology that is in place. Look at who promotes it. Look at who seems quite content with it.

Then, look at the TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY people, the common people, not the talking heads. Make up your own mind.

Rich and poor, you are not necessarily evil because you are rich, neither you are necessarily good because you are poor.
The problem is capitalism encourages antisocial corrupt actions, so clearly riches who are not that greedy, eventually lose against no-moral riches in capitalism society.
The evil is in the social system of capitalism, people relations are a consequence of the unfair rules in the system.

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That's where you're going wrong.

You think Capitalism is a social system. It's an economic system. And the only one that takes human greed and everything else into account.

The whole point of American society is to have a government that protects the rights of people without violating the natural rights of people.

You can be greedy all you want, but the second you start committing fraud you are violating others rights.

Greed, AGAIN, is NOT a product of capitalism, it is a product of being human. What about this do you not understand?

The US Constitution and capitalism is not about doing away with failure, which again, is part of the human condition. A part of nature you can't create a system to counter.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

So a lawsuit that was settled is reason to believe that everything microsoft has done is fraud...Yeah ok. Try harder.

What kind of stuff would you consider a "proof"?

Secondly, if you SELL property it is NO LONGER your property.

That's reality. Deal with it.

Randians are always saying rich people is the creative one. So tell me, how is coining the real creator of an idea, and taking the credit and profit for it a creative act?
The one who actually created the wealth got coined by a few bucks, and the one who only had the right contacts, but did not a creative thing on its own at all, gets all the benefit.

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

That's where you're going wrong.

You think Capitalism is a social system. It's an economic system. And the only one that takes human greed and everything else into account.



The whole point of American society is to have a government that protects the rights of people without violating the natural rights of people.

You can be greedy all you want, but the second you start committing fraud you are violating others rights.

Greed, AGAIN, is NOT a product of capitalism, it is a product of being human. What about this do you not understand?

The US Constitution and capitalism is not about doing away with failure, which again, is part of the human condition. A part of nature you can't create a system to counter.

edit on 23-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

Economics and socials are not independent, that's your mistake.
A system that benefits greed won't ever be able to put limits, because greed itself by definition will always be about breaking those limits, to get more profit. A capitalist system will always be in contradiction to any attempt to control its activities at all.

I have read all the posts here and viewed the videos although it was difficult to do so swilling through all the propaganda. From what I have seen, one Tea Party member who may have only 3 teeth has more common sense than all the Obama Zombies in the world. And if the Tea Party is so wrong, why are NoBama's poll ratings so low? It is because he is wrong, his followers are wrong, and you are wrong. The Tea Party knows it and is willing to make it known. That is what bothers the regressives, I mean progressives. Let's call it like it really is. The progressive movement is a socialist movement where everybody who follows thinks they are going to get a gold star and receive special recognition in the end. The fact is, power in a socialist movement is not shared. It is held tightly, by individuals, willing to kill millions to hold power. Is that what you really want? Nobody is that naive. This has to be a bad joke.

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What kind of stuff would you consider a "proof"?

Find me court documents and and other investigative reports with actual red handed proof that everything MS has done is fraud.

Randians are always saying rich people is the creative one. So tell me, how is coining the real creator of an idea, and taking the credit and profit for it a creative act? The one who actually created the wealth got coined by a few bucks, and the one who only had the right contacts, but did not a creative thing on its own at all, gets all the benefit.

Decisions are made all the time. If I sell a gold coin to someone at current market value and the next day it goes up by 300 bucks I can't go to this person and say "pay me the additional 300 bucks". Why? Because I sold it to him at a certain price, as per the terms of the sale. The value gained by that ounce of gold is now HIS value because HE made the investment.

My loss of that value is MY FAULT because I took the risk.

The Tea Party is a totally phony group made to do the bidding of large corporations. They were FOR all kinds of draconian cuts to medicare and social security because we "needed to cut the deficit." Yet they were against cutting HUGE government subsidies for oil companies. PHONY! PHONY!! PHONY!!! I'm amused at their hypocrisy, yet fascinated that they've gotten the most unintelligent sector of America to think they've actually got something that's going to make their lives better -- as they progressively seek to take more and more away from those people. And yet those people empower them. You've gotta give those greedy upper class corporate types credit. They're FAR more intelligent than the American middle class. Wish that weren't true because I'm a member of said class. But it IS true. The Tea Party is absolute garbage -- just another corporate multimedia effort to make the middle class think IT (the middle class) is the source of problems.

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Why do we need to control anything but the enforcement of contracts and the protection of the rights of all parties involved?

Why do you have a problem with people making money?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

What kind of stuff would you consider a "proof"?

Find me court documents and and other investigative reports with actual red haded proof that everything MS has done is fraud.

LOL, I am not DR-DOS lawyer, but do some investigation on your own if you are so sure Microsoft is innocent

Randians are always saying rich people is the creative one. So tell me, how is coining the real creator of an idea, and taking the credit and profit for it a creative act? The one who actually created the wealth got coined by a few bucks, and the one who only had the right contacts, but did not a creative thing on its own at all, gets all the benefit.

Decisions are made all the time. If I sell a gold coin to someone at current market value and the next day it goes up by 300 bucks I can't go to this person and say "pay me the additional 300 bucks". Why? Because I sold it to him at a certain price, as per the terms of the sale. The value gained by that ounce of gold is now HIS value because HE made the investment.

My loss of that value is MY FAULT because I took the risk.

edit on 23-4-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

You are skipping my question here, how can be "creative" to profit from other person talent like that?
My example shows how it's not the creative minds who always get profit, but just the most lucky and/or manipulative. How can this be fair?