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The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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so we have moved on the the slave master analogy ok

how long will a master be able to employ people when the government has its foot and the kneck of the master ready to snap it.

furthermore how long will the master be able to employ people when the value of the dollar gets devalued to the point of where its worthless.

the fact of the matter is as any business owner knows costs increase every year benefits increase every year and the value of the dollar decreases everyday.

and any business lives or dies on profit


and yeah i am saying one cant exist without the other business needs workers the government needs our money to function both cant exist without each other.

no profit no business that means no more people working.

we are the slaves here to the master government.

they are the alpha and omega of our existences.

What you are failing to see here it's that government is neither a savior or the main power, but only a sock puppet from some capitalist interests, who attempt to compete another capitalists who in turn will do the same when their own sock puppets get elected, but in the middle, normal people keeps slaved just changing from one master to the other, because neither of them cares about normal people. It's all about just a territory fight between different masters.




posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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what your failing to see that we do not live in a free market capitalist society and government has become the main power and the savior for all things in america,.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
ok you may not hate but the severe hatred for the right and the teaparties is nothing but political manipulation so the left maintains their control of this country and no its the same old tune just a new player that they want gone.


Because most people are lower middle class to upper middle class---70% of the population

WHY would they support wealthy tax cheats, big military, foreign wars, lies, corporations telling government to look the other way when it comes to drilling for oil, look the other way when it comes to nuclear safety????


politics are nothing but mass manipulation to get and maintain power you may see no differences but i do anyone who has been paying attention knows whats going on and the fact of the matter is the only "party" who hasnt screwed this country over are the teaparties.


Oh please spare me the BS! There are at least 5 registered parties in america that together get less than 1% of the vote yet "tea party" is special because they get more mainstream attention? I wonder who was behind this idea in the first place.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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what your failing to see that we do not live in a free market capitalist society and government has become the main power and the savior for all things in america,.





Problem is that (alleged) free market capitalism always will lead to this kind of monopoly/oligocracy leaded cleptocractic governments. Free market only can exist in very early stages. As long as wealth gets accumulated in few hands, freedom of markets ends. But that is the very foundation of capitalism. So capitalism on its own leads to this kind of situations.
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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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You anti-TP people don't have a very good grasp of modern Conservatism, it is a mish mash of people, on my site I clearly make a distinction between Republicans and Conservatives, it's very safe to say that Repubs are Big Biz Illum lackeys, which is why they hate Conservatives. Most Talk Radio hosts bash Bush quite often, if they knew 9/11 was an Inside Job and that many terrorist organizations are financed by the Illum, many of the problems would go away. The main thing that modern Conservs get wrong these days is not allowing civil unions, but that can be blamed on Christianity. The other is they don't have a healthy mistrust for Big Biz like they do for Big Gov, but that's not true for all of them. Michael Savage, #3 Talk Radio host is a great example, he has been outcasted by MS conservatives for speaking out against Bush and the Banksters so clearly, he's even banned from Britain. He talks about the New World Order and their various plans and his book Trickle Up Poverty does a great job discussing problems inherent in "Capitalism". He also bashes the "free market" people, clearly pointing out that the free market sees slave labor as the best option, he's all about proper regulation while removing improper regulation. Then there is Ron Paul, he's been completely ostracized yet continues to be extremely popular (more online donations than Obama), there are plenty of Paul fans among the TP. As well, now the TP has Rand Paul, Paul's budget was so great that it doesn't get any coverage, it also includes a balanced budget amendment and balances the budget in 5 years rather than 25+. So the TP don't all tow the same Conservative line, I love me some Rush Limbaugh, but he definitely is too lax on Big Biz, though he rightly points out what the Libs are doing when they attack Big Biz.

The one thing that gives me hope is that all of these Talk Radio-esque Conservatives have one thing in common, they can not stand the Republican leadership, and the leadership can't stand them. As has been pointed out by many people, the TP is turning the Republican Party into the Conservative Party. Considering a third party doesn't stand a chance and would only give us liberals, what the TP is doing is our best bet. As Hannity puts it, he's going to support them when they're right, but he's going to be a fierce critic when they're wrong. So far these Conservative leaders have done a great job, they've attempted to repeal Obamacare in several ways now, while trying to get rid of C&T legislation and stopping funding to the number one abortion clinic, which was created by a elitist eugenicist. We've gotten quite a few politicians standing up for us now too, and oh yeah, they're basically all in the TP - Bachman, Paul, I really like Allen West, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, Mike Pence, heck I'd take Sarah Palin or Trump over any Dem. There are also plenty of Repubs who are good people that support the TP but aren't actual members, my favorite would be Jim DeMint, he was the only Repub to stand up for the TP candidates during the elections. So regardless of how co-opted the TP might get, though I think it's done a good job, it's still more a force for good than bad, while all Dems have been nothing but a force for destruction. Luckily though it doesn't really matter, especially considering the s is going to hit the f very soon, then all of the lackeys will be thrown out while only those we can trust will be allowed to stay, I can't wait to see the ratio of Dems/Republocrats who get to stay compared to the TP members who get to stay.


Bruji, we all understand the problems with Capitalism and such, but there's about 75% good in there, all of the other economic systems have about 20% good in them, so what are the other options? True Conservatives and Libertarians see the good and try to make up for the bad, Dems see the bad and try to make things worse. I actually just wrote up something on my site about the balance you must achieve and how our society evolves and how we must hit certain points to keep the balance, an example would be the internet. The pinnacle would be free energy, so the good parts of Capitalism allowed this to be discovered, but the bad parts of Capitalism have suppressed it. Leftists countries would never be able to evolve to that point, they're too busy ignoring their own problems while ripping on Capitalism. It's like how the ME live like they're in the 7th century, instead of throwing out their leaders, they want to invade Israel. Free markets are good in the beginning when the playing field is level, but when we go into a country and give them a free market, it's just trasnational megacorps that benefit, so free markets become as free as free trade. So we must take the best parts of capitalism and hope the negative parts don't keep us from reaching major turning points, such as they did with free energy. All of these discussion are moot when free energy is brought into the equation. I'd like to see Capitalism with free energy vs. Communism with free energy, I certainly know who'd turn out best.
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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:14 PM
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If you really want to learn the truth about us tea partiers, turn off the goddamned idiotbox and go to a few meetings or rallies.... That is about all I have to say about it.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:17 PM
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who controls the horizontal and the verticle in american society?

who indoctrinates american youths in school and film and televsion?

who controls unions in this country that make and provide goods and services and essential emergency services in this country?

who controls the entire educaltion process in american and who are not how to think but what to think?


the left defines what is right and wrong in this country that have for decades.


america produces nothing but morons anymore and the point of that exercise in control is for the mass manipulation to keep and maintain their power base.

those things neither the right or the teaparties ever had.


there is alot of bs in this thread but none by me.

sorry.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by DougWood3

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Rich people earn more than 80% of this nations wealth, they pay 60% in taxes likewise.


Have a reputable citation for that, because I'm pretty sure you're lucky if they pay 30%? You don't think the rich use every loophole in the book to avoid paying taxes? They have the money to hire teams of accountants to hide, exploit and abuse every loophole to avoid paying taxes.

For instance, the entire company of G.E (made 14 billion in profits last year) paid NOTHING in taxes last year. Yes, you heard me. NOTHING.


And i'm not an accountant (nor have I ever played one on t.v.) but G.E. pays wages to its workers and they pay taxes.it pays taxes on its facilities and investments.Its pays its suppliers and subcontractors. Whats left affter the cost of doing business is "profit". Ido find that "sound bite" hard to believe. "Fair" and "legal" are not always the same thing.

Originally posted by DougWood3
Source: blogs.abcnews.com...

Believe what you want. It doesn't change the fact that you're fighting against your own interests. You're fighting for companies who are laughing all the way to the bank at your expense.

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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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oh! so theres no monopoly or oligocracy that exists in this country right now? pretty sure there is.

capitalism is dog eat dog survival of the fittest thats what capitalism is,



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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The thing is that not all people have the same opportunities to develop their potential. Some have a big safety net via the capital accumulated by their past status quo but most of people don't. That excessive accumulation of wealth is root for capitalism lack of freedom by most of people, so it should not be allowed in the first place.


Please my parents were not rich they couldn't afford to send me to college took me 7 yrs to get my BS the 1st time. I had 2 part time jobs one at a gas station working nights and the other i Bar tended on weekends. All the while attending classes at the University Of Maryland (go tarapins dont laugh people
). Why can i do it but others want to just receive a check from the government? If you pay people to do nothing most will. Self motivation is difficult remove all the incentives and people stagnate.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


who controls the horizontal and the verticle in american society?

who indoctrinates american youths in school and film and televsion?

who controls unions in this country that make and provide goods and services and essential emergency services in this country?

who controls the entire educaltion process in american and who are not how to think but what to think?

The capitalist corporations, of course.
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the left defines what is right and wrong in this country that have for decades.


america produces nothing but morons anymore and the point of that exercise in control is for the mass manipulation to keep and maintain their power base.

those things neither the right or the teaparties ever had.


there is alot of bs in this thread but none by me.

sorry.

lol. regardless they label themselves as left or right, they are all actually serving the corporations interests.
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posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Well She really didn't see the worker as they who produce the wealth in America. And she would be right.

I don't share her more harsh views of the common worker. But the left tries to portray the worker as the engine that drives America and they aren't. They are contractors who sign up to do a job until they are not needed or move on to bigger better things.

The left seems to think that workers have a right to a job. They do not. It is not the impetus of business to create jobs, it is to create profit. Without profit there are no jobs.


And that is why capitalism is doomed to fail. Everything revolves around profit at the expense of a society living as harmonious as possible with nature and its actual needs. Why do we need an economy based on greed rather than an economy based on needs.

Greed encourages over-production, small worker wages, maximum profit, neglect for the enviroment, etc It goes against the needs of the many and benefits the wishes of the minority. Its a recipe for waste and corruption!



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by dragonridr
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The thing is that not all people have the same opportunities to develop their potential. Some have a big safety net via the capital accumulated by their past status quo but most of people don't. That excessive accumulation of wealth is root for capitalism lack of freedom by most of people, so it should not be allowed in the first place.


Please my parents were not rich they couldn't afford to send me to college took me 7 yrs to get my BS the 1st time. I had 2 part time jobs one at a gas station working nights and the other i Bar tended on weekends. All the while attending classes at the University Of Maryland (go tarapins dont laugh people
). Why can i do it but others want to just receive a check from the government? If you pay people to do nothing most will. Self motivation is difficult remove all the incentives and people stagnate.


Exactly, but riches had it much easier, so you had to fight a lot to get what rich people had as granted. Do you really think that is fair?



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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no corporations nothing elses exists in this country think about it man someone has to think about there interest because they are the same as our interests.

without them there is nothing here NOTHING!! no money,no food,no clothes,no iphones,ipads,xbox 360s etc

there is nothing no wealth no jobs no tax revenue NOTHING.


coporations are not the villians the us congress with their hands out are and those who write the laws.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:29 PM
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Most rich people in this country didn't start out that way.

I hope to one day be rich after producing something that changes society for the better.

I hope to have a large company with many employees. A company that is profitable and provides good wages and incentives.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
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no corporations nothing elses exists in this country think about it man someone has to think about there interest because they are the same as our interests.

without them there is nothing here NOTHING!! no money,no food,no clothes,no iphones,ipads,xbox 360s etc

there is nothing no wealth no jobs no tax revenue NOTHING.


coporations are not the villians the us congress with their hands out are and those who write the laws.

Lol, ever heard of coperatives?
Slaves don't need masters to labor. They just need land, and material resources to be freed for them to use in labor.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
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All tea party candidates that gained support from tea party voters were Republican. When the Patriot act came up for renewel, out of the 40 tea party candidates in the house, only 10 of them voted against renewing the Patriot act. Mind you though, the totaly amount of Republicans came up to 26 along with 122 Democrats. but the proportion of freshman tea partiers is well pathetic.

It's still 5 months though.... maybe the tea party caucus will prove to us that they are the change of the Republican party later on.... As of yet I've seen no change whatsoever, and no accountability from tea partiers themselves. But then again why would tea partiers hold their own accountable? The tea party movement had nothing to do with socialism or freedom or the constitution (see how many tea partiers jump up when Medicare actually gets put up to vote to be removed), it has to do about that man in the whitehouse. That man hit a nerve with rightwing voters and they want him out, that is all tea partiers are concerned about, that is all conservatives are really concerned about as far as I can see.


Guardian, I hear what you are saying about the Patriot Act. I truly do, because T Partiers do not wish to see another 9-11 type act against our country, and why is it that the ultra left-winger POTUS now renewed it? T Partiers may just not all get that the PATRIOT ACT was spawned during the Clinton era, but was not enacted till a Republican got in.This is where the Hegelian Dialectic comes in handy to understand what is neither Left nor Right, but a synthesis of the two.


Spawned during the clinton era? I don't think so..........

Bush Jr and Dick Cheney gave us the patriot act by allowing the duped terrorists to pull off 9-11! Then the democrats by Obama came in and is continuing it with mild opposition. No one is saying democrats are saints but compared to republicans they certainly APPEAR SO.......



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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Best response on here, however those that argue the most about how bad the TP don't realize it would actually be that simple..............over analyzing things seem to be a past time of theirs.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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Like them or not, they have a right to organize, set goals, and promote an agenda. That's what they're doing.



posted on Apr, 23 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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well good luck waiting on your free handout of land and good luck getting your free handout for all those material resources and good luck getting someone to help with all the labor.

nothing is free in this country if someone doesnt get anything out of it good luck



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