US government wages sock puppet war against its own citizens

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Been saying it for years and they are not the only ones in the Federal Government playing these kinds of games, although I consider them far from games.

Isn't strange, these are Americans doing this.

Protoplasmictraveler

How long will Americans tolerate what is becoming an increasingly fraudelent government before they self discover some effective mechanism to start realing it in?

S&F! You know that is an advanced question because *prepare for sarcasm* obviously the psych-ops that are being discussed at this very moment (you know they're talkin about us) are far ahead of the American majority. That, and a few other key elements, is why tolerance is the norm when it comes to cyber-hooking.

An "effective mechanism" for baiting those masters of disguise is to simply take their toys away until they can learn play nice. No software, no philandering in the neighbor's country, no multiple IPs, no starring and thumbing, etc...etc...No faking!

The thing is, there's gotta be more more more end-user accountability with certain software. And I agree, Americans should not put up with it!

Go team go!!!!!

Toni

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


It's pretty amazing how brazenly and openly these firms and shadowy organizations do operate, flush with either Homeland Security Money or Department of Defense Money, we literally pay to be at times both degraded and defamed by the Government.

And here we sit on ATS, often bitching about how our tax money is going to welfare and unemployment and health care. If we stopped waging war on our own taxpayers and messing in the affairs of other countries that are no direct threat to us, we would have plenty of money to fund legitimate defense costs and social welfare costs.

We could always test who is and who is not a sock puppet depending on how the software actually works. If you are debating the usual pro-government types on the forum, and you suspect that they may be sock puppets, then just begin replying to them with gibberish. If the poster does not respond in a manner that a human being actually reading the reply would...then chances are their responses are automated. That is, of course, assuming the program works that way.

Poster1: 9/11 was an inside job, the jet fuel was not hot enough to melt the steal of the towers

sockPuppet: insert ad hominem sorry but Popular Mechanics has debunked you

Poster1: So how have other sky scrapers from around the world erupted in flames and not collapsed?

sockPuppet: They haven't, that is false information insert Popular Mechanics link

Poster1: Yeah, but there was that one time I rode the backs of sea turtles to capture wild tea bags

sockPuppet: No you silly conspiracy theorist, there was no building 7 lol

I authored a thread on this named "A clear and present danger to ATS" in the board business & questions section.

I was questioning whether or not ATS was capable of defending itself against this program and the agencies using. I didn't exactly get filled with confidence that there is a centralised defence plan here on ATS. So, in my mind, ATS is now inundated with shill personas that troll about anything to do with subjects these agencies want us to leave alone. And for the most part, I think they win.

I see so many good subjects go down the toilet simply because some trolls come along and destroy them. The worst part is, I could swear a couple of particular trolls are a bit closer to home than we would like.... draw up your own conclusions on that one.

The Rev.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
I don't really see any way to combat it, though. It would appear it is the end of the internet as we know it.

The way to combat it is through use of our combined political knowledge.

Form a non-profit or a non-governmental organization.

Because guns, violence, and or Wikileaks is not going to do it in any way whatsoever.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Nonprofit Organization

A nonprofit organization (abbreviated as NPO, also known as a not-for-profit organization) is an organization that does not distribute its surplus funds to owners or shareholders, but instead uses them to help pursue its goals.

Examples of NPOs include charities (i.e., charitable organizations), trade unions, trade associations and public arts organizations.

Most governments and government agencies meet this definition, but in most countries they are considered a separate type of organization and not counted as NPOs.

In most countries, NPOs are exempt from income and property taxation.

Only making conspiracy theorizing a legitimate comglomerate of organized people will.

Quote from : Wikipedia : Non-Governmental Organization

A non-governmental organization (NGO) is a legally constituted organization created by natural or legal persons that operates independently from any government.

The term is usually used by governments to refer to entities that have no government status.

In the cases in which NGOs are funded totally or partially by governments, the NGO maintains its non-governmental status by excluding government representatives from membership in the organization.

The term is usually applied only to organizations that pursue some wider social aim that has political aspects, but that are not overtly political organizations such as political parties.

Unlike the term "intergovernmental organization", the term "non-governmental organization" has no generally agreed legal definition.

In many jurisdictions, these types of organization are called "civil society organizations" or referred to by other names.

Through this endeavor support a main theme of policy through a think-tank.

But alas too many people within the confines of the conspiracy theory community are too damn lazy.

Or think this smacks too much like Government.

Well, guess what, Government is prepared for guns, violence, and Wikileaks.

Anyone who utilizes methods like guns, violence, Wikileaks, or "Anonymous" will be hunted.

They will be labeled as terrorists and the "sheeple" will not help us due to bleating for help.

Too stupid due to television shows like American Idol, Dancing With the Stars, or Survivor.

Since the fall, and pre-planned I might add, fall of Russia, a never-ending campaign has begun.

With no actual competition for the number one slot America is leading a new war.

Through the War on Terror, syncing up with other so-called "wars", there is a hard drive.

A hard drive to push "terrorism" through innocuous language, ignominy, and ignorance.

There will come a time when we look back and wish for a "Sock Puppet War".

Awaiting execution with a guillotine hanging above our necks and no stay of execution at hand.

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Oh by no means did this start under the Bush Administration.

It just finally happened during the Bush Administration.

Meaning the local corruption was caught up unprepared for Federal corruption.

The local Government misappropriated funds for the levies, refused to build them, or swindled the tax-paers is some other form or fashion, assured through their ignorance that this would never happen, meanwhile gambling like a riverboat whore on a borrowed dollar.

New Orleans and Louisiana was nothing more than a scheme to wash away those occupying real estate.

Bought and paid for real estate that could not be taken by any other means.

In order to steal it away under federal jurisidiction and walk away laughing.

By my stating is happened during the Bush Administration I was merely stating that timeframe.

As in where it finally ended up happening.

Not that he or his Administration were fully responsible.

They were just the one's caught holding the candy while the crying baby pointed and screamed.

This software is definitely being used on torrent sites. Fake files, some with viruses, are listed on the torrent site, with about 50-150 thumbs up for the comments confirming the file as legitimate. All of the real comments about the file are thumbed down in equal number.

It's hard to say where those "hackers" are all from, I guess basically everywhere. But mostly eastern european, and some Chinese I guess. Some even suspect that the entertainment industry is behind it. But anyway, this really proves that they're not a small outfit if they're using the same or very similar software.

Makes me wonder where it originated first, think the army ripped it from the hackers or the other way around.

As for this tech not being used on the American public. What a joke that is. I'm sure this tech is being used overseas, but a government which would not propagandize it's own people would sadly be negligent in it's duties.

I am afraid that it has gone too far now and whatever is designed, is going to happen, maybe not to its full degree of intent, but it will take place.
The general populace will not rise to thwart this with any controlled educational front,
it will be reaction in the physical form, and that is the hope of those waiting to respond.
The corruption has saturated all levels now.
Any action would be like throwing 1 antibiotic pill at 1 thousand people.
Useless.

Good post OP

You know what comes to my mind is, we can use this against them, their weapon could be their weakness. Lets face we are inundated with conspiracy theories, and we all relate to some and not others, either because of disinterest or it is too fantastical.

If we can trace where certain theories are being hit by this tactic, we uncover what they want to hide, we find out where the smoking guns really are.

Just a thought, what do you all think?

Great thread subject, Pro Trav...

We probably can't keep paid BigGov dis-info agents off ATS or other sites where true patriots gather to discuss situations. This fact does not mean we are defeated. Our focus must not be toward defence of our values as Americans. Truth needs no defence! Our focus must be on promoting truth. Truth will trump paid dis-info agents and their software any day of the week. To resort to this stratagy shows desperation on the part of NWO BigGov

It is most important that we not let fools who have sold their souls to TPTB rule the day with their lies and deceit. Hold your head up high, fight the good fight, stand for TRUTH!

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excellent OP Proto !

I know you have been on this subject for some time now and I have also witnessed (and Participated in) some of the activity with you.

I mentioned on an older thread that if we (the normal theorists) simply keep up with our regular routines, the "Live Soldiers" who monitor and add fuel for the software "Sock Puppets" could very well become "closet believers" and possibly turn themselves over to our ways of thinking !!

They are just as vulnerable as anybody else !

how fine would it be to see a sock puppet response answering to a converted soldier's agreement with a conspiracy theory !! complete with stars & flags !!

I wonder if the software has the ability to remove stars & flags to its' advantage ??

Why don't the owner of the site just block the core ip address coming from that location? Or people that are on the site, knowing this is happening, just ignore these people like res headed step children. let them just talk and never get any responses. That is the only reason they do it is they are wanting attention to their agenda and they are getting it. The owner of the site should put a banner on the site warning people that come to the site (and add a video) that there are trollers that frequent te site and that they have a personal, antagonistical agenda and that they should just ignore the perpetrators until they can be properly delt with. All good idea no? Stop giving them their attention and they will go away.
- (James 4:7) "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

After reading that piece of fiction you wrote, I am wondering if you are a sock puppet for another nation. I'm willing to bet you are a radical living in a foreign country somewhere. You saw how this site was used against United States citizens, and you decided to take advantage of some people's ignorance.

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Hey Proto,

You play the piano while I rearrange the deck chairs!

When the chairs are done we can spend the last few minutes with a couple magnums of Dom P.!

Originally posted by Section31
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After reading that piece of fiction you wrote, I am wondering if you are a sock puppet for another nation. I'm willing to bet you are a radical living in a foreign country somewhere. You saw how this site was used against United States citizens, and you decided to take advantage of some people's ignorance.

edit on 23-4-2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Yes you got me man! I live in the nation of Protostan, sometimes also referred to as Miami Beach where I rule over a set of radical Bikini and Fashion Models, and International Jet Setters, Hollywood Celebrities and Hip-Hop stars in a enforced environment of hedonism where I hold court at the legally nude beach at Haulover Park.

Maintaining a high state of military alert to carry out a ongoing war of aggression against Palmetto Bugs and Geckos the world has not seen such a leader no doubt since Atilla the Hun!

By the way how much would you like to bet, Proto loves money! Especially yours.

Sadly now that someone has put it all together I will be ruined here on ATS and shall have to resign my membership.

Curse you!

Don't quit your day job to become a Think Tank Annalyst.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by felonius
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Hey Proto,

You play the piano while I rearrange the deck chairs!

When the chairs are done we can spend the last few minutes with a couple magnums of Dom P.!

The great news is thanks to Global Warming once the ship goes down the waters in the North Atlantic will be warm!

We might live to the sharks get us.

Well that's if the ones in the government don't get us first!

Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

After reading that piece of fiction you wrote, I am wondering if you are a sock puppet for another nation. I'm willing to bet you are a radical living in a foreign country somewhere. You saw how this site was used against United States citizens, and you decided to take advantage of some people's ignorance.

edit on 23-4-2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Allow this test mods?

While floating down river in my four door canoe, I happened on a pile of freshly frozen jellyfish. That being said I dont agree that snakes have no armpits. In fact, I prefer stovetop stuffing!

Agree or disagree?

Originally posted by Phenomium
Why don't the owner of the site just block the core ip address coming from that location? Or people that are on the site, knowing this is happening, just ignore these people like res headed step children. let them just talk and never get any responses. That is the only reason they do it is they are wanting attention to their agenda and they are getting it. The owner of the site should put a banner on the site warning people that come to the site (and add a video) that there are trollers that frequent te site and that they have a personal, antagonistical agenda and that they should just ignore the perpetrators until they can be properly delt with. All good idea no? Stop giving them their attention and they will go away.
- (James 4:7) "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

Once again, providing they can detect the actual core IP Address as the most recent HB Gary software manufactures a new IP Address for each persona it creates.

By the way many of the wireless internet providers automatically generate a new proxy IP address for you everytime you log on to their wireless network.

So as a site owner if you misread a situation like this you might end up denying thousands of members who use Sprint or Verizon 3G and 4G Internet connections from being able to sign on the site, as you shut down Sprint and Verizons main prefix.

More so, while to us this software is an inconvenience the reality is this software is really being used to start wars in the Middle East and is inherently dangerous.

So there really is a certain moral dilema here that goes beyond having to deal with some trolls, that in my humble opinion it would behoove Americans to confront and deal with.

Thanks for posting.

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It's a fiction that snakes have armpits and once had legs!

The rain in spain falls mainly on the planes and many here on ATS believe proto to be insane!

Agree or disagree?