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Originally posted by JAGx1981
Originally posted by traditionaldrummer
Originally posted by JAGx1981
You speak of big bang with such authority, regardless of what we think we know for SURE happened, it still is just a theory.
You are aware that a scientific theory is not the same thing as the common term for theory? A scientific theory is a collection of facts that provide explanations and allow for predictions. To claim that a scientific theory "is just a theory", as in simply a clever idea, is not accurate. The Big Bang did happen. At this point we don't know all there is to know about it (same with the theory of gravity), but we know enough about it to make true, factual comments.
Actually your the one trying to be clever with words long drawn out sentences that you believe are true because they sound more logical to you and others from what you have learned.
It cannot fully be explained, it doesn't matter what you reply back with or how textbook you make it sound, there are still too many questions than answers. However if you spend enough time on here you see all these debates going back and forth.
You just want to be right, instead of keeping your mind open, it's common and it's why they debate rages on, maybe not in your world, but in reality it is.
Difference between me and you is you want to be right, but I have already made up my mind and I'm able to live with either answer and don't care if im wrong or right.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Atheism is truly illogical and doesn't make any sense. An Atheist will say they lack a belief in God or gods but this position doesn't make any sense.
You don't have a lack of belief in Santa Claus or a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy.
Why do you need to have a lack of belief in an entity that you say doesn't exist?
You don't see Toothfairiest who have a lack of belief in the Tooth Fairy.
You can have a lack of belief in Islam or Christianity but not a lack of belief in God because there's no need to have a lack of belief in an entity you say doesn't exist.
In order for Atheist to say they have a lack of belief in God they implicitly acknowledge God's existence. Your lack of belief in God has to be predicated on his existence or it's just illogical.
Again, there's no need to have a lack of belief in Tinkerbell or The Wicked Witch of the West if you say they don't exist.
So Atheism is built on an illogical premise.
Originally posted by freedish
reply to post by Matrix Rising
A fool hath said in his heart, `God is not;'
Originally posted by Arcade425
What can be asserted without proof can be disproven without proof.
Originally posted by daggyz
Someone trying to disprove God exists always seems to point to the fact one does exist.
Originally posted by daggyz
@ Matrix Rising. Interesting points. There are lot more illustrations than the ones you've given.
A true Atheist wouldn't try to disprove God, there would be no need. On;y when you're hoping like hell you are right, yet soemthing knaws inside you that you want to ignore, do you move heaven and hell to find a way to disprove God exists so you can be at peace.
It's similar to homosexuals claiming those that are against them are bigots and will be anti anyone who oposses them.... of course that makes them bigots themselves but they can't see that! Even calling someone a bigot, by definition makes you one.
Someone trying to disprove God exists always seems to point to the fact one does exist. (keeping in mind Atheists are applying physical notions to disprove something with is spiritual... ie in another dimension that we operate in). It's realy funny to watch, I love it, especially whn it gets to evolution and that everything we have now cam from a little microbe in a pond after the earth settled after a big bang... and they can't even explain where the matter came from to create the big bang in the first place. They have more faith than I've got and I salute that faith - it's an awesome display of blind faith.
Originally posted by Watts
My only thing with Atheists is that their argument(the ones I have discussed the topic with) begins with "If there's a God, who created him? Where did he come from? How could he have already existed?"-basically saying that if man can't comprehend it, then it must not be real- while at the same time fully believing and accepting that the Big Bang just randomly came out of nowhere and created everything we have now, including the sub-molecular coincidences that allow life and our planet to even exist as we have it.
If you're gonna use a general rule of thought, it must apply equally to both sides lest we fall into an argument where someone says 2 plus 2 can't equal 11 unless I say its possible and it works in favor of my beliefs and agenda. Where did the Big Bang come from? What started it? What was before the Big bang? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? And before that? See?
To be a science bound atheist is a contradiction in and of itself. It means that you believe that the greatest most miraculous "order" ever came out of total, un-describable chaos, and that a closed system somehow became much, much BETTER over time, which is a blasphemous concept in science. So in order to be atheist, you must as a result, believe fundamental parts of established science are just as fake.
Second, people believe in black holes without seeing them directly, simply by how their gravity affects the surrounding stars EVEN THOUGH by our own laws of physics a black hole makes NO sense whatsoever... matter just vanishes into nothing and is gone forever? That's also complete blasphemy in the face of science. And yet we have total faith in something that is contrary to what science and math tells us based on how it affects things that are subject to its influence.
I could equally say God exists because his grace can be seen through the miracles that can and DO result from prayer such as someone who has been paralyzed for YEARS suddenly regaining the ability to walk or a hardened criminal suddenly dropping all of his bad ways and the money that comes along with it to be a better person for seemingly no reason at all.
Atheists don't disbelieve God because they think its impossible for such a being to exist, they disbelieve because its inconvenient to their day to day lives to believe such a being exists.
Is it easier for one to accept that they will have to answer for un-repented wrongdoing at the end of their life or that they can do whatever they want to whoever they want without ANY fear of punishment from a power that is supremely greater than us?
Obviously the latter is more convenient... and I even admit that I "get it"... when I was a kid and snuck a few cookies before dinner, it was easier to believe I could run to my room and eat them before mom found out than to think she'll be able to notice the obviously missing cookies from the pack and fuss me out. No one wants to believe that they are in the wrong, its a part of our ego to think its the world around us that must be wrong and we are just reacting to this "flawed" world. Such as, "I only get drunk because my job stresses me out and drinking helps me cope..." or "I sell drugs because my family is at home starving and working at Mcdonald's isn't enough to get them the things I would like to..." or "I had sex with that random girl because she was hot and was down for the cause..." Its not my fault, I'm just reacting.
In the cookie example, I thought the rule was stupid because I believed I would still be able to finish dinner even though I had the cookies therefore I felt it was ok to disobey a rule from my mother. In my mind, I wasn't in the wrong, her rule was just stupid therefore I didn't need to follow it. And I think that's one of the hang-ups (along with stone-throwing extremist Christians) people have with the Bible/God.
Just my 92 cents...edit on 22-4-2011 by Watts because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by iLoGiCViZiOnS
reply to post by Annee
ABSOLUTLY! Nothing gets created without a "Creator" Or "Originator" If you will.
Originally posted by Flyzoid
I have a lack of belief in Santa clause. Seeing that I pay for everything that the idea takes credit for