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Core of Stricken Reactor Probably Leaked, U.S. Says

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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 01:56 PM
reply to post by Maxmars

Yes we pay the politicians to deal with these types of things, it's just that the lobbies pay them a whole lot more NOT TO....hehehe,'s the best system money can buy.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by Bob Sholtz

But don't we pay our government officials to handle these situations? Are the multimillionaire executives of the companies which operate these facilities because of how 'important' they are.

Why would there be mass panic? Who would instigate such a panic? And over what?

I can't accept that our brethren across the globe are little more than frightened children.... I'm starting to accept that the leadership is more likely to be than the people. If anyone were to panic and become stupidly drunk on fear, it seems that they and their media spokesmen would be least surprisingly those who "go there."

I believe that "mass-panic" is invariably manufactured.

The notion of "mass-panic" is a straw man construct.
The truth is that their hidden activities/agendas are such a convoluted intertwining of unacceptable/criminal/immoral/detestable behaviors that THEY are "panicked" at the thought of the truth being revealed and so they must direct us to the idea they are saving us from ourselves, whey they are actually saving themselves from us.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:04 PM
reply to post by redgreen

I used to think that.... now I think it's that the (key) government officials actually ARE the industry. But your point is well made!

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by NoAngel2u

I agree. The idea that people are just going to crumble and start wailing upon each other seems a fantasy that they repeat over and over to themselves so they can speak of it without betraying the fact that it is their little culture they are referring to.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:12 PM
Reactors 1 2 3 4 and now 5.

All of them, advanced meltdown. Some of them have left the station and are in the ground.

Here is a rundown on it. 90 minutes after losing cooling meltdown occurs. 24 hours later advanced meltdown is occurring. Reactor 5 now has a problem with its coolant and they wont be tryng again til morning.

That is a unheard, WRONG response.

The only correct response is to try to get the power back to the reactor. If this fails (STUXNET Virus, CIA/Morrad), you have to Boron it to stop the fission and then cement the reactor.

There is no other response.

The only other responses are done by people Wishing To Create A Massive Prolongued Disaster which is what we are seeing.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:20 PM
reply to post by Unity_99

I am leery of this possibility. That at some level this disaster is being managed to exacerbate the situation speaks of unimaginable moral detachment and lack of humanity which can only be attributed to those who have the authority and capability to do otherwise.

It's so difficult for me to accept that there are people out there; a room full of elite lawyers and industry moguls, (accompanied by who else, I don't know) that are actually detached enough from humanity and any sense of ethical conduct to care more for the few than the many. Is that what serving a corporation means? Is that what serving a cartel means? Is this not patently criminal?

It's a difficult proposition to accept; only because that kind of amoral dedication to an organizational construct would encourage us to believe the vilest things about the people we entrust with our well being.

Where do they get such people? And how do they tolerate this attitude? Do they live on another planet where they and theirs are sheltered from the damage they are doing by not throwing every penny they have at this problem - before it gets too far? Only... perhaps it's already too late for that... I hope not.
edit on 22-4-2011 by Maxmars because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:32 PM
I strongly believe that to climb to the top of this dungheap we call society that you have to be a socio-path with no morals, scruples or feelings for any person apart from yourself and a firm belief that no harm can come to yourself whatever your actions.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:38 PM
Mass panic is the excuse used to justify lies, I mean secrecy.

A few things that make sense but also may be just clever lies.

It was costing the press moguls their monthly budget everyday in Japan. Gadaffi costs a fraction of that. Press blackout or cost cutting?

The nuclear energy brokers cannot admit they are wrong. This is due to their ego's and corporate image. We economic units do not figure in that.

Their overblown view of their power fools them into thinking they can still handle this situation and keep the lid on their criminal failings both now and in the past.

The Roman emperors were never scared of the barbarians or their rivals it was the mob that scared them and that is still true today with politicians. They had the coliseum we have the television and sport and that is where they intend to keep our gaze. We don’t intend to disappoint them.

We don’t pay the politicians to handle these situations we pass over the responsibility for these situations. We are as much to blame as any of these self serving egotistical villains as we gift them the power that corrupts.

If they say we need nuclear power then we need to have the control over it as they obviously cannot be trusted but that means we would have to turn away from the soap operas that seem to enthral so.

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 04:15 PM
From the very first explosion, there was no other answer...we were getting radiated like it ornot...
The question was how muchj?
ow we know and it too effin much!
There are a whole bunch of possible fallout elements in themix as well.....
They have been reporting the least of them, and ignoring the worst!
Time for the goverment to fess up the details!
time for a serious campaign for them to do so too!

posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 06:11 PM
Nuclear Weapon Effects

Nuclear detonations are the most devastating of the weapons of mass destruction. To make this point one need only recall the pictures from Hiroshima or the international furor over the accidental but enormous radiation release from the Chernobyl power plant. The contamination from Chernobyl was significantly larger than would have been expected from a nuclear detonation of about 20 kT at ground level, but was comparable in extent to what might result from a �small� nuclear war in which a dozen or so weapons of nominal yield were exploded at altitudes intended to maximize blast damage.
A nuclear detonation creates a severe environment including blast, thermal pulse, neutrons, x- and gamma-rays, radiation, electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and ionization of the upper atmosphere. Depending upon the environment in which the nuclear de-vice is detonated, blast effects are manifested as ground shock, water shock, �blueout,� cratering, and large amounts of dust and radioactive fallout. All pose problems for the survival of friendly systems and can lead to the destruction or neutralization of hostile assets.

The energy of a nuclear explosion is transferred to the surrounding medium in three distinct forms: blast; thermal radiation; and nuclear radiation. The distribution of energy among these three forms will depend on the yield of the weapon, the location of the burst, and the characteristics of the environment. For a low altitude atmospheric detonation of a moderate sized weapon in the kiloton range, the energy is distributed roughly as follows:
50% as blast;
35% as thermal radiation; made up of a wide range of the electromagnetic spectrum, including infrared, visible, and ultraviolet light and some soft x-ray emitted at the time of the explosion; and
15% as nuclear radiation; including 5% as initial ionizing radiation consisting chiefly of neutrons and gamma rays emitted within the first minute after detonation, and 10% as residual nuclear radiation. Residual nuclear radiation is the hazard in fallout.
Considerable variation from this distribution will occur with changes in yield or location of the detonation.
Because of the tremendous amounts of energy liberated per unit mass in a nuclear detonation, temperatures of several tens of million degrees centigrade develop in the immediate area of the detonation. This is in marked contrast to the few thousand degrees of a conventional explosion. At these very high temperatures the nonfissioned parts of the nuclear weapon are vaporized. The atoms do not release the energy as kinetic energy but release it in the form of large amounts of electromagnetic radiation. In an atmospheric detonation, this electromagnetic radiation, consisting chiefly of soft x-ray, is absorbed within a few meters of the point of detonation by the surrounding atmosphere, heating it to extremely high temperatures and forming a brilliantly hot sphere of air and gaseous weapon residues, the so-called fireball. Immediately upon formation, the fireball begins to grow rapidly and rise like a hot air balloon. Within a millisecond after detonation, the diameter of the fireball from a 1 megaton (Mt) air burst is 150 m. This increases to a maximum of 2200 m within 10 seconds, at which time the fireball is also rising at the rate of 100 m/sec. The initial rapid expansion of the fireball severely compresses the surrounding atmosphere, producing a powerful blast wave.
As it expands toward its maximum diameter, the fireball cools, and after about a minute its temperature has decreased to such an extent that it no longer emits significant amounts of thermal radiation. The combination of the upward movement and the cooling of the fireball gives rise to the formation of the characteristic mushroom-shaped cloud. As the fireball cools, the vaporized materials in it condense to form a cloud of solid particles. Following an air burst, condensed droplets of water give it a typical white cloudlike appearance. In the case of a surface burst, this cloud will also contain large quantities of dirt and other debris which are vaporized when the fireball touches the earth's surface or are sucked up by the strong updrafts afterwards, giving the cloud a dirty brown appearance. The dirt and debris become contaminated with the radioisotopes generated by the explosion or activated by neutron radiation and fall to earth as fallout.

I know it is a difficult transition but if you can put aside the weapon aspect and look at it as a tool, a necessary thing to fix a nuclear problem, then the logic becomes clear. A problem exists that is deadly difficult and will continue to worsen until it is fixed. This is the solution. It will not take years, it will consume reactor, fuel rods, even radiated buildings, soil, and water.

The atomic removal device would not be dropped from a plane, it could be precisely placed, be of the optimum yield and be detonated when the wind and atmospheric conditions would help dampen radioactive fallout. A groundburst would also create a crater that would fill with seawater removing that hazard from the recovery process.

posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 05:36 AM
I'm actually going to disagree with the notion that panic would not ensue if the officials were to release the ugly truth to the public.

There would be panic to some degree.

We're talking about something that would effect people's actual lives... air, food, water, and health... the very things that sustain us and our loved ones.

Ever hit the grocery store when a storm/blizzard is heading your way ? It's cram packed with people loading up with food, water, batteries, candles, etc etc. Or heck, even the day before a long weekend where all the stores are going to be closed for one day, the stores are packed.

Now think about what would happen if the officials were to tell you a huge plume of radioactive crap is going to drop down on your town in the next 12 hours...

Now think about what would happen if those same officials also told you that this huge plume is going to contaminate your drinking water, agricultural soil, and within 24 hours of that, your food chain...

Now think about what would happen if the officials told you that the rainfall expected today is going to be highly radioactive fallout hitting your town... Would you still send your children to school ? Would you still leave your house, walk to the bus stop/subway and head off to work ?

Now think about those kinds of announcements over the radio/tv/newspapers on a daily basis across your entire country.

The economy would collapse, jobs would be lost, people would do whatever it takes to protect their families, and it would end up with people fist fighting over the last can of non-radiated raviolis to feed their family. This is where chaos could kick in quite easily.

And let's face it, mob mentality rules. When one person panics in a crowd, it doesn't take long for the rest to follow suit. Picture a busy Wal-Mart on a Saturday afternoon, and somebody comes running into the building yelling that they just announced on the radio that radioactive fallout is heading our way before nightfall and everyone needs to stay in their homes. Do you really think people are going to look at that person, yawn, say "whatever", and continue walking down the toilet paper aisle digging for the best 2-ply bargain brand ?

Have you tried shopping around for potassium iodide tablets lately ? Or Lugol's Solution ? Or a geiger counter ? And that's just the people who are in the know right now buying this stuff... there's millions of people out there who are still completely clueless to what's going on as of yet...

People fear a change of their livelihoods.
But what they fear even more than that is fear for their life and the life of their loved ones.

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