How America Will Control Iraq With An Elected Democratic Government

With the Judges they appointed in the special court.

They are above all Iraqi law, and were Appointed By America before the handover of power.

This rogue puppet court can arrest, and try any Iraqi for crimes during the previous admin, and may keep procedings secret.

It may look like Democracy from the outside, but the reality is American Judges will hold in their hands the very lives of the representatives the Iraqi people elect.


The puppet government continues even after elections.

[edit on 28-7-2004 by ArchAngel]

www.cpa-iraq.org...

LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ

FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
......
CHAPTER SEVEN � THE SPECIAL TRIBUNAL AND NATIONAL COMMISSIONS

Article 48.

(A) The statute establishing the Iraqi Special Tribunal issued on 10 December 2003 is confirmed. That statute exclusively defines its jurisdiction and procedures, notwithstanding the provisions of this Law.

The court was formed, the Judges selected, and declared 'confirmed' BEFORE the so-called handover of power.

Article 43.
(B) All judges sitting in their respective courts as of 1 July 2004 will continue in office thereafter, unless removed from office pursuant to this Law.

The judges stay.

CHAPTER THREE � THE IRAQI TRANSITIONAL GOVERNMENT

Article 24.

(A) The Iraqi Transitional Government, which is also referred to in this Law as the federal government, shall consist of the National Assembly; the Presidency Council; the Council of Ministers, including the Prime Minister; and the judicial authority.

(B) The three authorities, legislative, executive, and judicial, shall be separate and independent of one another.

Just like in America there is separation of powers, which means the elected officials will have no power over the court.

Article 48.
(B) No other court shall have jurisdiction to examine cases within the competence of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, except to the extent provided by its founding statute.

And neither can any court the Iraqis make.


The Iraqi Special Tribunal made some very odd changes to Iraqi judicial law.

hrcr.law.columbia.edu...
THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
PART THREE
The Trial Chambers and the Appeals Chamber
Article 4.

d) The Governing Council, if it deems necessary, can appoint non-Iraqi judges who have experience in the crimes encompassed in this statute, and who shall be persons of high moral character, impartiality and integrity.

Why would non-Iraqis be allowed to be judges?

Would America make this very specific change if they had no plans on using it?

Why are the judges hiding behind masks?

No comments?

Debunkers welcome!

You probably think that the CIA started the importing of crack to keep minorities in line.

Are you reading the same thing I am? Every case has an out.

Judges can be removed according to the law set down.

Non Iraqi's can be used because they are KILLING all the locals!!

You have to have a judicial system set in place before a government because that same government can take years to be set. The judges see the everyday crime. Everyday crime is what keeps the populace afraid.

Look at your history of the U.S occupation of Germany. The same thing happened Mr. Paranoia.

Originally posted by crmanager
You probably think that the CIA started the importing of crack to keep minorities in line.

Are you reading the same thing I am? Every case has an out.

Judges can be removed according to the law set down.

Non Iraqi's can be used because they are KILLING all the locals!!

You have to have a judicial system set in place before a government because that same government can take years to be set. The judges see the everyday crime. Everyday crime is what keeps the populace afraid.

Look at your history of the U.S occupation of Germany. The same thing happened Mr. Paranoia.

This is one case that does not have an out other than overthrowing the government.

The other courts are subject to the federal court, but not this one.

The court is independent of authority.

Its founding is its authority.

It was not founded by the Iraqi people.

You would think there would be an out, but it is not there.

Thast what makes it so wrong.

The only thing the court is bound by is this document.

It is free and independent of any Iraqi authority.

hrcr.law.columbia.edu...
THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
The Establishment, Organization and Competence of the Tribunal
PART ONE
Establishment and Competence of the Tribunal
Article 1.

a) A Tribunal is hereby established and shall be known as the �Iraqi Special Tribunal for Crimes Against Humanity� (the �Tribunal�). The jurisdiction and functioning of the Tribunal and its associated bodies as defined in Article 3(b) below shall be governed by the provisions of this Statute. The Tribunal shall be an independent entity and not associated with any Iraqi government departments.

b) The Tribunal shall have jurisdiction over any Iraqi national or resident of Iraq accused of the crimes listed in Articles 11 to 14 below, committed since July 17, 1968 and up until and including May 1, 2003, in the territory of the Republic of Iraq or elsewhere, including crimes committed in connection with Iraq�s wars against the Islamic Republic of Iran and the State of Kuwait. This includes jurisdiction over crimes listed in Articles 12 and 13 committed against the people of Iraq (including its Arabs, Kurds, Turcomans, Assyrians and other ethnic groups, and its Shi�ites and Sunnis) whether or not committed in armed conflict.

c) The Tribunal shall only have jurisdiction over natural persons.

The American Judges were seated under the authority of the Puppet IGC.

Article 4.
d) The Governing Council, if it deems necessary, can appoint non-Iraqi judges who have experience in the crimes encompassed in this statute, and who shall be persons of high moral character, impartiality and integrity.

And they can only be removed by the rogue court.

hrcr.law.columbia.edu...
THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
SECTION ONE
The Establishment, Organization and Competence of the Tribunal
PART SIX
Tribunal Investigative Judges

(2) The decision to disqualify a Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be taken by the majority of permanent judges of the Tribunal, after conducting appropriate investigations.

n) The Chief Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be required to appoint non-Iraqi nationals to act in advisory capacities or as observers to the Tribunal Investigative Judges. The role of the non-Iraqi nationals and observers shall be to provide assistance to the Tribunal Investigative Judges with respect to the investigations and prosecution of cases covered by the this Statute (whether in an international context or otherwise), and to monitor the protection by the Tribunal Investigative Judges of general due process of law standards. In appointing such advisors, the Chief Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be entitled to request assistance from the international community, including the United Nations.

o) The non-Iraqi advisors and observers referred to in this Article shall also be persons of high moral character, impartiality and integrity. In this regard, it would be preferable that such non-Iraqi advisor or observer shall have the following experience: (i) such person shall have acted in either a judicial or prosecutorial capacity in his or her respective country, or (ii) such person shall have experience in international war crimes trials or tribunals.

It all became law with the handover of power.

LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
CHAPTER SEVEN � THE SPECIAL TRIBUNAL AND NATIONAL COMMISSIONS

Article 48.

(A) The statute establishing the Iraqi Special Tribunal issued on 10 December 2003 is confirmed. That statute exclusively defines its jurisdiction and procedures, notwithstanding the provisions of this Law.

(B) No other court shall have jurisdiction to examine cases within the competence of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, except to the extent provided by its founding statute.

(C) The judges of the Iraqi Special Tribunal shall be appointed in accordance with the provisions of its founding statute.

[edit on 29-7-2004 by ArchAngel]

Most of the people who will run for the National Assembly will be former Baath party members.

The court will be able to get rid of any of them by 'producing' a single witness or just papers.

www.cpa-iraq.org... 31.
(B) A nominee to the National Assembly must fulfill the following conditions:
(3) If he was once a member of the dissolved Ba�ath Party with the rank of Full Member, he shall be required to sign a document renouncing the Ba�ath Party and disavowing all of his past links with it before becoming eligible to be a candidate, as well as to swear that he no longer has any dealings or connection with Ba�ath Party organizations. If it is established in court that he lied or fabricated on this score, he shall lose his seat in the National Assembly.

With this hanging over their heads they will all do as they are told like good little puppets even though they were elected by the Iraqi people!

[edit on 29-7-2004 by ArchAngel]

Originally posted by crmanager
You probably think that the CIA started the importing of crack to keep minorities in line.

Are you reading the same thing I am? Every case has an out.

There is no out.

THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
Article 1.
a)The Tribunal shall be an independent entity and not associated with any Iraqi government departments......

You can only appeal to the special court. No elected official will have any authority to intervene.

LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
Article 48.
(B) No other court shall have jurisdiction to examine cases within the competence of the Iraqi Special Tribunal, except to the extent provided by its founding statute.

Judges can be removed according to the law set down.

Judges can only be removed by the special court.

THE STATUTE OF THE IRAQI SPECIAL TRIBUNAL
PART SIX
Tribunal Investigative Judges
Article 7.
....
j) Each Tribunal Investigative Judge shall act independently as a separate organ of the Tribunal. He or she shall not seek or receive instructions from any Governmental Department, or from any other source, including the Governing Council.
....
m) (1) Any Tribunal Investigative Judge shall be disqualified for any of the following reasons:

i) He or she has a criminal record including a felony unless the felony is a political or false charge made by the Ba�ath Party regime;

ii) He or she has made a material misrepresentation; or

iii) He or she fails to carry out his or her duties without good reason.

Non Iraqi's can be used because they are KILLING all the locals!!

The security would be the same, or even greater for Foreign Judges. That is not an excuse.

You have to have a judicial system set in place before a government because that same government can take years to be set. The judges see the everyday crime. Everyday crime is what keeps the populace afraid.

A court was formed. This is an independent court. It was not required in order to establish a legal system for the nation as a whole.

Look at your history of the U.S occupation of Germany. The same thing happened Mr. Paranoia.

There was oversight in that case, and the court was not part of the German government.

This is not anywhere near the same system.

They have a pitbull standing over their government.

[edit on 29-7-2004 by ArchAngel]

People do not let this goverment into believe that Iraq is on his own because that can not be far away from the true.

Iraq was made sovereign. But not really.

The handover of authority from the U.S. led coalition took place ahead of schedule and in secrecy.

The American viceroy, L. Paul Bremer III, left quietly, with no accolade of gratitude for his service to America or to Iraq.

His replacement, as the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, John D. Negroponte, presented his credentials to an Iraqi government handpicked not by the Iraqi people, but by Negroponte's government.

The "democratic goverment in Iraq" can not even take care of itself so US will keep 140,000 troops indefinitly in Iraq.

The so call democracy in Iraq is so weak that Sadam is still under US custody and the judge in wish he was brought to was also appointed with the (Help) of US. And he knew that and that prompted the verbal abuses that he used in from of the judge to prove that he did not recognize his power.

The only way for Iraq to be truly democratic is with a government appointed by the Iraqi people and not a poppet of the US.

Originally posted by marg6043
People do not let this goverment into believe that Iraq is on his own because that can not be far away from the true.

Iraq was made sovereign. But not really.

The handover of authority from the U.S. led coalition took place ahead of schedule and in secrecy.

The American viceroy, L. Paul Bremer III, left quietly, with no accolade of gratitude for his service to America or to Iraq.

His replacement, as the U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, John D. Negroponte, presented his credentials to an Iraqi government handpicked not by the Iraqi people, but by Negroponte's government.

The "democratic goverment in Iraq" can not even take care of itself so US will keep 140,000 troops indefinitly in Iraq.

The so call democracy in Iraq is so weak that Sadam is still under US custody and the judge in wish he was brought to was also appointed with the (Help) of US. And he knew that and that prompted the verbal abuses that he used in from of the judge to prove that he did not recognize his power.

The only way for Iraq to be truly democratic is with a government appointed by the Iraqi people and not a poppet of the US.

There will be an election.

They want it as soon as possible.

That will not make this court go away.

Even after there is an elected democratic government this court will still exist.

The only way to get rid of it is to overthrow their elected democratic government.

The majority of people will defend their own slave masters thinking they finally have freedom.

[edit on 29-7-2004 by ArchAngel]

When Bush declares 'Long Live The New Democratic Iraq' he will really mean it with all his heart.

Not only can the people not stop the court, they cannot do anything about the changes imposed by the Puppet IGC.

For all the acting like a bumbling fool at nation building America sure did seem to have a plan.

See link for links to documents.

I will review a few of them.

I can't type fast enough to go through them all.

www.iraqcoalition.org...

CPA Official Documents

صفحة الوثائق الرسمية بالعربية

Regulations � are instruments that define the institutions and authorities of the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA).

Orders � are binding instructions or directives to the Iraqi people that create penal consequences or have a direct bearing on the way Iraqis are regulated, including changes to Iraqi law.

Memoranda � expand on Orders or Regulations by creating or adjusting procedures applicable to an Order or Regulation.

Public Notices � communicate the intentions of the Administrator to the public and may require adherence to security measures that have no penal consequence or reinforces aspects of existing law that the CPA intends to enforce.

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REGULATIONS
Reg 1 The Coalition Provisional Authority 16 May 2003
Reg 2 The Development Fund for Iraq**Amended per Reg 11 Sec 1** 18 June 2004
Reg 3 Program Review Board**Amended per Reg 11 Sec ** 18 June 2004
Reg 3 Program Review Board**Amended per Reg 11 Sec 1** 18 June 2004
Reg 4 Establishment of the Iraqi Property Reconciliation Facility 14 January 2004
Reg 5 Council for International Coordination 17 June 2003
Reg 5 A Council for International Coordination (Amendment) 18 August 2003
Reg 6 Governing Council of Iraq 13 July 2003
Reg 7 International Donor Assistance 05 December 2003
Reg 8 Delegation of Authority Regarding Establishment of a Property Claims Commission**Amended per Reg 12* 14 January 2004
Reg 9 Governing Council's Dissolution 09 June 2004
Reg 10 Members of Designated Iraqi Interim Government with Annex A 09 June 2004
Reg 11 Amendments to CPA Regulations No. 2 and No. 3 18 June 2004
Reg 12 Iraq Property Claims Commission 24 June 2004
ORDERS
Order 1 De-Ba`athification of Iraqi Society 16 May 2003
Order 2 Dissolution of Entities with Annex A 23 August 2003
Order 3 Weapons Control **Revised**, **Amended** 31 December 2003
Order 4 Management of Property and Assets of the Iraqi Baath Party**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4** 28 June 2004
Order 5 Establishment of the Iraqi De-Baathification Council**Rescinded per Memo 7 Sec 3*** 25 May 2003
Order 6 Eviction of Persons Illegally Occupying Public Buildings**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4*** 28 June 2004
Order 7 Penal Code 10 June 2003
Order 8 Traveling Abroad for Academic Purposes 07 June 2003
Order 9 Management and Use of Iraqi Public Property (Revised) 27 June 2004
Order 10 Management of Detention and Prison Facilities 05 June 2003
Order 11 Licensing Telecommunications Services and Equipment**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4** 28 June 2004
Order 12 Trade Liberalization Policy (Annex)***Rescinded per Order 54 Sec 3 Para 4*** 26 February 2004
Order 13 The Central Criminal Court of Iraq (Revised)(Amended) 22 April 2004
Order 14 Prohibited Media Activity 10 June 2003
Order 15 Establishment of the Judicial Review Committee 23 June 2003
Order 16 Temporary Control of Iraqi Borders, Ports and Airports ***Revised/Amended*** 13 June 2004
Order 17 Status of the CPA, MNFI, Certain Missions and Personnel in Iraq w/Annex**Revised** 27 June 2004
Order 18 Measures to Ensure the Independence of the Central Bank of Iraq 07 July 2003
Order 19 Freedom of Assembly 10 July 2003
Order 20 Trade Bank of Iraq 17 July 2003
Order 21 Interim Exercise of Baghdad Mayoral Authority**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4** 06 August 2003
Order 22 Creation of A New Iraqi Army 18 August 2003
Order 23 Creation of a Code of Military Discipline for the New Iraqi Army with Annex A 20 August 2003
Order 24 Ministry of Science and Technology 24 August 2003
Order 25 Confiscation of Property Used In Or Resulting From Certain Crimes 03 September 2003
Order 26 Creation of the Department of Border Enforcement 24 August 2003
Order 27 Establishment of the Facilities Protection Service 04 September 2003
Order 28 Establishment of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps 03 September 2003
Order 29 Amendment To Law Of Estate Lease 07 September 2003
Order 30 Reform of Salaries and Employment with Annex A 08 September 2003
Order 31 Modifications Of Penal Code and Criminal Proceedings Law 10 September 2003
Order 32 Legal Department of the Ministry of Justice 04 September 2003
Order 33 Ministry of Municipalities and Public Works 08 September 2003
Order 34 Amendment To Coalition Provisional Authority Order Number 2 13 September 2003
Order 35 Re-Establishment of the Council of Judges 18 September 2003
Order 36 Regulation of Oil Distribution (Annex A) 03 October 2003
Order 37 Tax Strategy for 2003 19 September 2003
Order 38 Reconstruction Levy (Amended per Order 70) 04 April 2004
Order 39 Foreign Investment (Amended by Order 46) 20 December 2003
Order 40 Bank Law with Annex A **Rescinded per Order 94 Sec 3** 19 September 2003
Order 41 Notification of Criminal Offenses 19 September 2003
Order 42 Creation of the Defense Support Agency***Rescinded per Order 67 Sec 2 Para 4*** 21 March 2004
Order 43 New Iraqi Dinar Banknotes 14 October 2003
Order 44 Establishment of The Ministry of Environment 14 November 2003
Order 45 Non-Governmental Organizations (Amended per Order 61) 23 February 2004
Order 46 Amendment of CPA Order 39 on Foreign Investment 20 December 2003
Order 47 Amendment of CPA Order 38 on Reconstruction Levy***Rescinded per Order 70 Sec 2*** 04 April 2004
Order 48 Delegation of Authority Regarding Establishment of an Iraqi Special Tribunal with Appendix A 10 December 2003
Order 49 Tax Strategy for 2004 with Annex A and Explanatory Notes (Amended per Order 84 Sec 3) 20 February 2004
Order 50 Creation of Ministry of Displacement and Migration 11 January 2004
Order 51 Suspension of Exclusive Agency Status of Iraqi State Company for Water Transportation 14 January 2004
Order 52 Pensions for Judges and Prosecutors who die while holding Office 08 January 2004
Order 53 Public Defender's Fees 18 January 2004
Order 54 Trade Liberalization Policy 2004 with Annex A (Amended per Order 70) 04 April 2004
Order 55 Delegation of Authority Regarding the Iraq Commission on Public Integrity 28 January 2004
Order 56 Central Bank Law with Annex A 06 March 2004
Order 57 Iraqi Inspectors General 10 February 2004
Order 58 Maysan and Muthanna Courts of Appeal 10 February 2004
Order 59 Protection and fair Incentives for Government Whistleblowers 01 June 2004
Order 60 Establishment of the Ministry of Human Rights 22 February 2004
Order 61 Amendment to Order 45**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4** 28 June 2004
Order 62 Disqualification From Public Office**Rescinded per Order 100 Sec 4** 28 June 2004
Order 63 Public Sector Death and Disability Benefits 06 March 2004
Order 64 Amendment to the Company Law No. 21 of 1997 with Annex A 05 March 2004
Order 65 Iraqi Communications and Media Commission 20 March 2004
Order 66 Iraq Public Service Broadcasting 20 March 2004
Order 67 Ministry of Defense 21 March 2004
Order 68 MInisterial Committee for National Security 04 April 2004
Order 69 Delegation of Authority Regarding Establishment of the Iraqi National Intelligence Service 01 April 2004
Order 69 ِAnnex A Annex A 02 April 2004
Order 70 Amendments to Reconstruction Levy 04 April 2004
Order 71 Local Governmental Powers (Appendix not available) 06 April 2004
Order 72 Iraqi Radioactive Source Regulatory Authority 15 June 2004
Order 73 Transfer of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps to the Ministry of Defence 25 April 2004
Order 74 Interim Law on Securities Markets 19 April 2004
Order 75 Realignment of Military Industrial Companies with Annex A 20 April 2004
Order 76 Consolidations of State-Owned Enterprises with Annex A 28 May 2004
Order 77 Board of Supreme Audit 25 April 2004
Order 78 Facilitation of Court-Supervised Debt Resolution Procedures 20 April 2004
Order 79 The Iraqi Nonproliferation Programs Foundation with Annex 19 June 2004
Order 80 Amendment to the Trademarks and Descriptions Law No. 21 of 1957 26 April 2004
Order 81 Patent, Industrial Desgin, Undisclosed Information, Integrated Circuits and Plant Variety Law 26 April 2004
Order 82 Iraqi National Foundation for Remembrance 28 April 2004
Order 83 Amendment to the Copyright Law 01 May 2004
Order 84 Amendments to CPA Order No. 37 and CPA Order No. 49 30 April 2004
Order 86 Traffic Code with Annex A 20 May 2004
Order 87 Public Contracts 16 May 2004
Order 88 Rights of Judicial Officials to Return to the Judiciary After Certain Government Service 12 May 2004
Order 89 Amendments to the Labor Code Law No. 71 of 1987 30 May 2004
Order 90 Special Task Force for Compensating Vistims of the Previous Regime 29 May 2004
Order 91 Regulation of Armed Forces and Militias within Iraq 07 June 2004
Order 92 The Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq 31 May 2004
Order 93 Anti-Money Laudering Act of 2004 with Annex A 03 June 2004
Order 94 Banking Law of 2004 with Annex A 07 June 2004
Order 95 Financial Management Law and Public Debt Law with Annex A and B 04 June 2004
Order 96 The Electoral Law 15 June 2004
Order 97 Political Parties and Entities Law 15 June 2004
Order 98 Iraqi Ombudsman for Penal and Detention Matters 27 June 2004
Order 99 Joint Detainee Committee 27 June 2004
Order 100 Transition of Laws, Regulations, Orders, and Directives Issued by the CPA 28 June 2004
MEMORANDA
Mem 1 Implementation of De-Baathification Order No. 1 03 June 2003
Mem 2 Management of Detention and Prison Facilities 08 June 2003
Mem 3 Criminal Procedures (Revised) 27 June 2004
Mem 4 Contract and Grant Procedures**Amended per Memo 15** 18 June 2004
Mem 5 Implementation of Weapons Control Order 3 with Annex 22 August 2003
Mem 6 Implementation of Regulation on the Governing Council (Annex A) 03 September 2003
Mem 7 Delegation of Authority Under De-Baathification Order No 1 04 November 2003
Mem 8 Scrap Meta***Rescinded per Order 54 Sec 3 Para 4**** 26 February 2004
Mem 9 Appointment of Deputy Ministers 24 February 2004
Mem 10 Rewards Program for Information Leading to the Recovery of Iraqi Sate and Former Regime Assets 05 April 2004
Mem 12 Administration of Independent Judiciary 08 May 2004
Mem 13 Appointment of Inspector General to the Baghdad City Council 02 June 2004
Mem 14 Establishment of Office of Chief Advisor to the National Assembly 01 June 2004
Mem 15 Amendment to CPA Memorandum 4 18 June 2004
Mem 17 Registration Requirements for Private Security Companies (PSC) with Annexes 26 June 2004
PUBLIC NOTICES
Increased Sentences For Those Convicted of Crimes After Receiving Amnesty 19 December 2003
Regarding the Prohibition Under Iraqi Law of Vehicles With Tinted Windows 27 June 2003
Regarding the Council for International Coordination 18 June 2003
Regarding Organization in the Workplace 06 June 2003
Regarding Public Incitement to Violence and Disorder 05 June 2003
Regarding the Safeguarding of Iraq' Borders 26 June 2003
Regarding the Status of Coalition, Foreign Liaison and Contractor Personnel 26 June 2003
Regarding Administrative Procedures for Establishing Trading Agencies 09 June 2003
Increased Sentences for Those Convicted of Crimes After Conditional Releases 31 December 2003
Regarding a Responsible Iraqi Media 10 June 2003
Regarding the Creation of a Central Criminal Court and Adjustments to Criminal Procedure Code 18 June 2003
Managing Financial Resources 18 June 2003

"The only way for Iraq to be truly democratic is with a government appointed by the Iraqi people and not a poppet of the US. "

Even an elected government will be subject to us.

Originally posted by crmanager Look at your history of the U.S occupation of Germany. The same thing happened Mr. Paranoia.

hmmm... de-nazification legislation... Iraq... very comparable! The large majority of Nazi judges and civil servants from the Nazi period remained working under the Federal Republic. There was an acceptance of the fact that you cannot change the whole nuts-n-bolts government overnight. I dooubt the same thing'll happen with the new client state in Iraq, hence the funky court... its safer to have Americans or other hand picked non-Iraqis.

Oh.. and the FDR wasnt a cold war client state full of US troops mantaining American dominance and dependance in Europe at all!?!?!?! There is does get comparable!

no... Archangel.. you are right. This court stinks of US long term control. I guess in the old days, your client states were usually easier to hold onto... and could be trusted to get on with things as long as the dollars and guns kept rolling in. Iraq and Afghanistan are proving to be a little harder than some tinpot sh*tty south american juntas...

Originally posted by Qoelet
no... Archangel.. you are right. This court stinks of US long term control. I guess in the old days, your client states were usually easier to hold onto... and could be trusted to get on with things as long as the dollars and guns kept rolling in. Iraq and Afghanistan are proving to be a little harder than some tinpot sh*tty south american juntas...

It is much worse than that.

They will allow Iraqis apparent freedom.

Then use the Iraqi army to invade Iran, or maybe Syria.

And when they see the freedoms Iraq seems to have, and the might of America behind their brothers they will throw down their arms, and not fight.

This is the plan for the NWO.

Conquer the world with false democracy....

....and don't think it won't end up back here in America in the end, or maybe before the end...

This sound to me like manipulation by US not matter what kind of goverment is in Iraq.

I wonder how long this so call democratic rule is going to last with so many clerics looking for control.

Originally posted by marg6043
This sound to me like manipulation by US not matter what kind of goverment is in Iraq.

I wonder how long this so call democratic rule is going to last with so many clerics looking for control.

The Manipulation is above even America. We are proxy to something even higher.

I will be going over it in another article soon(Maybe later today).

...And anyone you see on TV (clerics included) is already owned by this higher power...

Virtually anyone in Iraq could be EXCLUDED in the supposed upcoming elections in Iraq.

Who can run for office is just as important as being able to vote.

Remeber that a few months before the invasion there was an election in Iraq.

Saddam won with 100% of the vote!

www.cpa-iraq.org...

Elections of 275 representatives

Quote:
LAW OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THE STATE OF IRAQ
FOR THE TRANSITIONAL PERIOD
CHAPTER FOUR � THE TRANSITIONAL LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY
Article 31.

(A) The National Assembly shall consist of 275 members. It shall enact a law dealing with the replacement of its members in the event of resignation, removal, or death.
A nominee to the National Assembly must fulfill the following conditions:

(1) He shall be an Iraqi no less than 30 years of age.

(2) He shall not have been a member of the dissolved Ba�ath Party with the rank of Division Member or higher, unless exempted pursuant to the applicable legal rules.

(3) If he was once a member of the dissolved Ba�ath Party with the rank of Full Member, he shall be required to sign a document renouncing the Ba�ath Party and disavowing all of his past links with it before becoming eligible to be a candidate, as well as to swear that he no longer has any dealings or connection with Ba�ath Party organizations. If it is established in court that he lied or fabricated on this score, he shall lose his seat in the National Assembly.

(4) He shall not have been a member of the former agencies of repression and shall not have contributed to or participated in the persecution of citizens.

(5) He shall not have enriched himself in an illegitimate manner at the expense of the homeland and public finance.

(6) He shall not have been convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude and shall have a good reputation.

(7) He shall have at least a secondary school diploma, or equivalent

( He shall not be a member of the armed forces at the time of his nomination.


...who have no real power

They select three from their own to be on presidency council.

One president, two back-ups.


Quote:
CHAPTER FIVE � THE TRANSITIONAL EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY
Article 36.

(B) It is a prerequisite for a member of the Presidency Council to fulfill the same conditions as the members of the National Assembly, with the following observations:

(1) He must be at least forty years of age.

(2) He must possess a good reputation, integrity, and rectitude.

(3) If he was a member of the dissolved Ba�ath Party, he must have left the dissolved Party at least ten years before its fall.

(4) He must not have participated in repressing the intifada of 1991 or the Anfal campaign and must not have committed a crime against the Iraqi people.


Their only real power is to select the Prime minister, and veto legislation.

Quote:

...The Presidency Council shall carry out the function of commander-in-chief of the Iraqi Armed Forces only for ceremonial and protocol purposes....


The Prime minister has all the real power.

Quote:
Article 38.

( (A) The Presidency Council shall name a Prime Minister unanimously, as well as the members of the Council of Ministers upon the recommendation of the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and Council of Ministers shall then seek to obtain a vote of confidence by simple majority from the National Assembly prior to commencing their work as a government. The Presidency Council must agree on a candidate for the post of Prime Minister within two weeks. In the event that it fails to do so, the responsibility of naming the Prime Minister reverts to the National Assembly. In that event, the National Assembly must confirm the nomination by a two-thirds majority. If the Prime Minister is unable to nominate his Council of Ministers within one month, the Presidency Council shall name another Prime Minister.

(B) The qualifications for Prime Minister must be the same as for the members of the Presidency Council except that his age must not be less than 35 years upon his taking office.


On the surface it may not look so bad, but this kind of system allows for another Saddam, or a perfect Puppet.

By the restrictions the only ones who will be eligible for the Prime Minister position is our puppets.

Former Memebers of the Baath party will fill most spots because they are the ones with experience, and education.

But you must have left the party more than 10 years before the invasion to be PM.

That would leave only a few available for the position, and the only ones wielding the strength to pull together a vote would be our puppets.

By design we have created an election system that will force our puppets to the top.

Please note that preparations are being made for Saddams trial to begin after the proposed constitution is ratified proving my point that the Iraqis can't get rid of the court.

The legitimacy by which the court was established was Pauk Bremer's Promogulation in order #48.

www.iraqcoalition.org...

How can anyone claim that this court is legitimate if it was founded just because Bremer said so?