*2PAC*,Killed to Silence his Voice???..Was planning to speak out against Illuminati?, page 4

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 03:21 PM by mileslong54

See Jay - Z....

“Do What Thou Wilt”

“Do What Thou Wilt” is the official dictum of the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) and of its reformer, occultist Aleister Crowley. The O.T.O. is a hermetic order modeled after Freemasonry and German Illuminism and teaches its initiates the secrets of the Mysteries, gnosticism, sex magick, Kaballah and other occult sciences. Contrarily to Freemasonry, the O.T.O. is however based on the “Law of Thelema” which main precept is “Do What Thou Wilt be the whole of the Law“. Although this saying was interpreted in different ways, most agree that it refers to the dismissal of conventional moral and ethical rules in order to find one’s “True Will”. In other words, the usual guidelines by which good and evil are determined have to be blurred and forgotten to obtain the true path to illumination. Crowley explains this notion rather clearly here:

“There are no “standards of Right”. Ethics is balderdash. Each Star must go on its own orbit. To hell with “moral principle”; there is no such thing”
-Crowley, Aleister. The Old and New Commentaries to Liber AL, II,28.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 04:06 PM by ReadyPower

Originally posted by alphabetaone
reply to post by TrowaBarton

Trowa, honestly you should have stuck to your guns.

You're trying to talk sense into some who barely have a full grasp of the Illuminati concept themselves, nevermind be able to discern whether or not pac had some insider knowledge of it.

You're in a losing battle, just my opinion there.
edit on 21-4-2011 by alphabetaone because: (no reason given)

So we should believe you have all knowing knowledge of the illuminati, but it is absurd to think Tupac did? Yeah, okay.

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 04:18 PM by Jason Paul

Originally posted by jonibelle
Why is no one able to accept the fact that he got killed because he messed around with the "wrong person".
Why does there have to be a conspiracy wrapped around everything?
He beat up a gang member, then the gang member came back and got revenge. done and done.

It's probably because he died not long after he released his last cd, "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory", the circumstances surrounding his death with Suge Knight surviving and Pac not wearing a bulletproof vest (which was rare for him), the delayed response and investigation that lead to nowhere by the LVPD...

Honestly if 2pac named his last CD gangsterland and made no mention of TPTB in his tracks, this whole issue wouldn't exist...

Bottom line, if anyone talks smack about the illuminati and die soon after, there will probably be a conspiracy theory surrounding their death regardless...

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 04:53 PM by alphabetaone

reply to post by ReadyPower

What are you talkin about... go back and read FFS.... I'm tired of constantly repeating myself here.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:01 PM by ReadyPower

reply to post by alphabetaone

you: Tupac stood for precisely what the Illuminati stood for..... embracing MULTIPLE thought not just one.

How does that mean Tupac stood for the "exact same thing" as the illuminati? It makes ZERO sense.

Person 1: freedom, legalize marijuana, end war, tax corporations more.

Person 2: slavery, marijuana is illegal, more war, less corporate tax.

So these 2 people stand for the same thing because they both stand for many things?

Is that your "logic"

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:02 PM by smokeythabear

Im definately flagging this, regardless if he had some type of Illuminati takedown agenda, he was a great rapper and talked about getting out of the ghetto and taking back the Earth. I remember listening to Tupac all the time when I was younger (dad was a rap fan) and the song that stuck with me the most was the song "Changes". If you haven't heard it I recommend you give it a listen. Its a catchy song and the message definately rings true. Beats all that gangbanging garbage.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:06 PM by alphabetaone

reply to post by ReadyPower

You're 100% wrong.... go read up on who the Illuminati were get yourself schooled, then come back.

Until then, quite honestly you have nothing valid to say. Period.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:14 PM by ReadyPower

Originally posted by alphabetaone
reply to post by ReadyPower

You're 100% wrong.... go read up on who the Illuminati were get yourself schooled, then come back.

Until then, quite honestly you have nothing valid to say. Period.

Why don't you school me, ol wise one? Can't answer my question so you just say I am wrong, right?

Or, when you do not answer my question, how about you tell me where to read? There are hundreds of websites about the illuminati. that would be easier for you to actually have an answer I guess.

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:28 PM by alphabetaone

reply to post by ReadyPower

Just go and find out....dont leave it up to me, go make up your own mind.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 05:41 PM by alphabetaone

reply to post by ReadyPower

But ok I'll bite, since I have a break and am bored. Let me start you along.

Lets Start with the duality of Illuminati:

The Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name given to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, the name refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776.

The movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria) as the Order of the Illuminati, with an initial membership of five,[1] by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830),[2] who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.[3] The movement was made up of freethinkers as an offshoot of the Enlightenment, and seems to have been modeled on the Freemasons.[4]

Originally Weishaupt had planned the order to be named the "Perfectibilists".[5] The group has also been called the Bavarian Illuminati and the movement itself has been referred to as Illuminism (after illuminism). In 1777, Karl Theodor became ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and, in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati.

The above can be found here.

Now let's go after the Enlightenment-era scoop (or Age of Enlightenment):

The Age of Enlightenment (or simply the Enlightenment) is the era in Western philosophy, intellectual, scientific and cultural life, centered upon the 18th century, in which reason was advocated as the primary source for legitimacy and authority. It is also known as the Age of Reason.

Developing simultaneously in France, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Portugal and the American colonies, the movement culminated in the Atlantic Revolutions, especially the success of the American Revolution, which resulted in independence from the British Empire. The authors of the American Declaration of Independence, the United States Bill of Rights, the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and the Polish–Lithuanian Constitution of May 3, 1791, were motivated by Enlightenment principles.

The "Enlightenment" was not a single movement or school of thought, for these philosophies were often mutually contradictory or divergent. The Enlightenment was less a set of ideas than it was a set of values. At its core was a critical questioning of traditional institutions, customs, and morals, and a strong belief in rationality and science. Thus, there was still a considerable degree of similarity between competing philosophies. Some historians also include the late 17th century as part of the Enlightenment. Modernity, by contrast, is used to refer to the period after The Enlightenment; albeit generally emphasizing social conditions rather than specific philosophies.

The Above can be found here.

Pay close attention to what I've underlined and bolded.... I think you'll start to see it, if not, well, then good luck.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 06:06 PM by randomname

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Tupac dies but Alex Jones lives on?...

/thread

music is a more powerful way of communicating an idea because it opens up an emotion element and paints a picture of an issue in a more real way than ranting like a lunatic on a radio show.

and if you're talented like tupac and come across as sincere as he does, it becomes a great threat.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 06:14 PM by Canadianpride420

It is my belief that tupac is alive and in cuba...anyone saying that tupac couldn't have known anything important or that he wasn't important enough has no idea what they are talking about...there is not a person on this earth that could get as many followers as tupac...the man is a legend..besides being known as THE best hip hop artist of all time he was a guy that when he spoke everyone listened...his tone and delievery of a speech, especially in his songs was truely inspirational..and this coming from a white guy.

As for him being alive I believe he faked his own death...if you look at the autopsy pictures he is missing tatoos..The "last picture" of him which is him in the car with suge knight is not true..in that picture he has a full grown goatee..but if you look at pictures of him while he is at the tyson fight(which is a few hours earlier, he has no facial hair) It is impossible to grow a full goatee in a matter of hours..this added with the fact that he always wore his bulletproof vest but he supposedly didn't wear it when at a huge event such as a mike tyson fight. Also the fact that no funeral was held for him...no funeral and he was cremated like a day after or something like that...while theres rules saying that you have to wait a certain amount of time..The reason I say cuba is because in one of eminems songs he says," and hip hop ain't been the same since tupac moved to cuba."

A couple other things I would like to point out is that while in prison he read a book that involved a guy named machiaveli who faked his own death and later came back..I'd have to look up some things to get more info but there is a lot of coincidences with the numbers and years..if he returns in 2014 it will be the same amount of time that this guy in the book was "dead" for. If you go to youtube and type in "black haze" you will see a number of songs that sound just like tupac...black haze had no live appearances until finally he did a few and the voice is significantly different in those videos..then if you type in kasinova tha don it gets creepier..check out this guys videos and how identical the voice is to tupacs..you will notice that there is no video in those songs..but the guy has 2 freestyles...in both freestyles you can clearly tell he is lipsinging(and doing a bad job at that and the voice is coming from behind the camera) to make things even creepier the guys album was called ressurection and in his songs he raps the same style and voice as tupac...they even rap about the same things and say their words identical..this guy isn't signed to any group but he had a song with hussein fatal, who used to rap with tupac and was one of pacs friends...how does this guy who has no star power what so ever get to make a video with a guy like that..check it out it will blow your minds...

Just to give you guys an idea search on youtube kasinova tha don chevy's on the low(listen to that voice and he talks about obama and hilliary clinton..even says like machaveli imma bomb first..it's tupacs way of rapping besides the chorus anyway(but tupac always talked about having a money scheme when he left)

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Another one is "when it all falls down" In this song it says, "kasinova is my allias, and I spitting this thug s***t for real ni**as ever since." too much for me man if this isn't tupac I dunno

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 07:39 PM by mrjones7885

TUPAC was actually found alive in Cuba

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 08:17 PM by Dr Cosma

Has no one taken the time to look at the FBI vault?

Details. For information of receiving offices, on October 17, 1996, a preliminary inquiry (PI) was initiated at Los Angeles Field Office to corroborate source information that ............... ................... a known organized crime figure, along with a group of unidentified individuals were utilizing death threats in the furtherance of extortion attempts targeted towards two former prominent rap musicians from the Los Angeles area and other victims yet identified. JDL (Jewish Defence League), and others yet unidentified have been extorting money from various rap music stars via death threats.

vault.fbi.gov...

This is the Wiki page of the JDL

en.wikipedia.org...

I smells a conspiracy.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 08:24 PM by FewWorldOrder

Sounds like Operation Chaos to me.

Tupac was killed by TPTB because he was an intelligent, outspoken, well-read, son of Afeni Shakur, Black Panther connected, and of course, he was way too popular.

Artists that speak the truth and gain a large enough audience seem too often to find themselves deceased.

He was allegedly under FBI surveillance at the time of his execution, you know.

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 09:13 PM by Kingbreaker

reply to post by Vanishr

lol ok, I give up.. yes the Illuminati killed MJ. certainly not the condition he was in, with the medication his Concierge Doctor was giving him, and on top of it all a rigorous training regime for his movie. nope that didn't kill him

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reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 09:15 PM by FewWorldOrder

reply to post by Dr Cosma

Thanks for that "vault" link.

...and for those who didn't know - Tupac's reading list: www.thuglifearmy.com...

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 09:22 PM by LostMyPassword

Originally posted by CanadianDream420
Tupac dies but Alex Jones lives on?...

/thread

Alex Jones is a shill. Why would government kill someone whos existence benefits them?

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 09:48 PM by TraptInTheSystem

reply to post by gdaub23

I have heard a good amount of rap songs reference the illuminati. Lyrics that stand out to me are, " Illuminati want my mind, soul, and body, Secret society tryin to keep they eye on me." Google it.

reply posted on 21-4-2011 @ 09:52 PM by incrediblelousminds

ridiculous.

he was killed by those (suge knight) who saw they could make MORE money off his enormous body of work if they didnt have to pay him. Just like Puff did to Biggie. Live by the gun, die by the gun. Run with hyenas, you end up as their food.

Tupac wasnt changing an minds. He had some inspiring words, but he also said and did a lot of dumb stuff. e wasn't leading anyone out of the wilderness. He was killed by corrupt cops paid by the gangsters who was employed by (suge knight)

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