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Originally posted by Danbones
I have a friend ( well married to a friend) who, after her mother died in a lingering death from a horrific car accident, commented on how that was god testing her, and that she stood up to the test her mother's horiffic death quite well......
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this is where logic sort of breaks down
Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by ScorpioRising
I can understand where you're coming from. I was brought up catholic, attended private school, and was an alter boy. Watching the priests live high on the hog (they owned big cars, boats and had women cooking meals of lobster and steak dinners) as they accepted donations from a neighborhood that was poor, just didn't sit well with me. Not to mention how physically mean the priests and nuns were. I used to attend and serve mass almost 7 times a week. Now I no longer believe in religion. I do however believe in a God or Creator.
I can't understand why a loving God would allow bad things to happen to innocent and good people. My current belief is we are all on this earth to learn lessons so we can become closer in spirit with God. I believe we have chosen our lives and death before we were born. I believe some of us have short lives not by our choice, but for those around us. We are all connected by the same spiritual energy and by affecting someone else around us by death of disease, we are causing them to learn about an emotion or spiritual need they are lacking. Nobody really has the answers, but this is what I have come to believe after reading about many near death experiences.
Originally posted by gmac10001
reply to post by newcovenant
That may be true if you had proof that Christ actually existed, or is it just a good bedtime story. There is proof of neanderthals, half a million years ago but no proof of this Incredible magical person 2000 years ago and faith isnt proof..not saying that he could not of existed just saying we really dont know.
Originally posted by FoxfilesMulder
Its a simple answer...
If God helped people in need, a pattern could be collected, examined and analyzed to prove beyond any doubt that God was real.
A pattern would show people who believed in God were helped where as those who didnt were left to suffer injury or whatever the outcome of circumstance was.
Although this would be nice, God does not operate this way because "faith" would no longer be needed to provide each person with salvation.
Faith comes from having no evidence.
Salvation comes from faith.
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by BigJedi
SO that means if i hunt down and kill somone... they actually wanted me to kill them if i am successfull?
your logic is disgusting.. and i can only hope i someday gain to power to enter your dreams and fix it.edit on 21-4-2011 by Wertdagf because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by zatara
hes only trying to claim that everyone agrees to the life they will live previously in some sort of retarded astral realm.
So the father that backed over his child with a truck should be happy he helped fullfill his childs predetermined destiny... Or if you go around killing people and your happy about it... it was your destiny and all the people you killed ASKED for the experiance of an aggonizing death in this life.
i guess when he has a child who asks him why all the jews were burned alive naked in a furnace he can respond
"they asked for it in the astral plane before they were born so its ok"
"they asked for it in the astral plane before they were born so its ok"
Originally posted by zatara
Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by BigJedi
SO that means if i hunt down and kill somone... they actually wanted me to kill them if i am successfull?
your logic is disgusting.. and i can only hope i someday gain to power to enter your dreams and fix it.edit on 21-4-2011 by Wertdagf because: (no reason given)
If I start a thread I always read all the comments and try to understand them. But your reply on what BigJedi had to say completely escapes me and strikes me as odd. You probably have some reason to value his reasoning as disgusting and I would like to know where this comes from.
Some people consider you a genius and with all geniuses their thought processes are sometimes difficult to follow. So please, can you eloborate on your comment to BigJedi?
edit on 22-4-2011 by zatara because: I forgot a letter
Why was it again that God is not helping the ones in need?