Stephen Harper seeks majority to dissolve Canada in favor of North American Union

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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:39 PM
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This doesn't make sense when you're argument is Saudi's 14 cent oil! per litre... think about it...


We're exporting 3 times what our country would uses alone.
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by Darkmask
We produce way more oil than we use so we need to sell the extra oil to someone, Why not the U.S.?


This is off topic so I'll briefly interject: No problem being the number 1 oil exporter to the US but that doesn't mean Canadians have to pay $5.40 US a gallon at the pump.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Canadians pay more at the pump cause we allowed private interests to buy the oil.

I feel we should tell those private interests to shove off, and do what the Chinese are doing.....keep the oil for ourselves.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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If this is true, which it very well could be as we all know how corrupt pollies are, then i feel for you Canadians.
I live in Melbourne, and work in customer service near Melb airport and get yanks asking (or trying) to pay with yank money, so we aren't far behind you guys


They can't invade us (tho i bet they thought about it :@@
, so they may subtley try subverting us.... Let them try!!

S&F for your heads up dude.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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If the NAU were to consist of only Canada & the US, that wouldn't be so bad from the standpoint of Americans (even though the Canadians would hate it!)

What I'm afraid of is that the NAU would include Mexico, which would guarantee the destruction of both the US & Canada.

AuranVector



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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Cant invade? Cant subvert?

Do you have a central bank? ..... evil laughter



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by RicoMarston
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"peace and love to those who are willing to fight for it." a romantic sentiment, indeed, but let's set our emotions aside and apply reason to it. does peace and love really ever come to those who are willing to fight for it? U.S. is willing to fight for freedom in Iraq, and the people there have endured more violence, death and destruction then they otherwise would have. we fought for freedom in our revolution, and have not enjoyed an extended period of peace in our lives. We get stability at home at the expense of those abroad, which is not net peace, but only peace for some. how exactly can one fight for peace? if you want peace, and you start fighting, have you not denied yourself the peace you originally sought?


My brother, if I were to use emotion to determine my actions, I'd be a pacifist as I care deeply for my fellow man. However, in a predatory universe such as ours, and especially in times filled with such turmoil as we are seeing all across the globe, people who are not willing to defend themselves will be dominated (or worse) by those who wish to subjugate and exploit them. If all men on this planet but one were pacifists, that one man would conquer the world.
While I certainly understand your sentiment that all violence is destructive, there is a clear distinction between the desire of men to be free of oppression and be willing to fight for that freedom, and the desire of men to dominate others and take their freedom from them through violence.
In all actuality, there can never be lasting peace since the nature of the universe is to continually change. The peace that I speak of was once fought for and briefly held by the men who founded my country. Also, the fight that I speak of does not necessarily need to be a physical one, and it certainly is not a fight inspired by fear of a non-existent or self-created enemy such as that which led the people to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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At this point in the game and even though it is sad that you will end up with the largest # hole this side of the earth yet in some sick economic-centric way you might want to be thankful just to have something to export.

The same perverted individuals that bought up and shut down all the alternatives to the car culture have wound their way down to the bottom of the barrels and one of those barrels just happens to be canada tar sands.

In my opinion business controls the globe, not only in america england and china but the globe and when business controls government we call it fascism.

Unite the Fascists states of America and Canada.... why not?
In many ways you have walked in tandem for a very long time.

The only difference will be that the illusion of being better then america will be dispelled.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Sorry to break this to you but Alberta represents a small percentage of Canada. You sold yourselves out, doesn't mean we all have to.

I personally think Ontario should separate from the rest of you wannabe's. Kooks to the left of me and nuts to the right. Of course Sir John A. Macdonald's ghost just slapped me upside the head for thinking that.

If you remember how Toronto got raped during the the G8 Elite f*cks, then you'll know how to vote.

BTW, if you're a woman, Harper doesn't want to hear about your rights to abortion. He says he "doesn't want to talk about it." He does that all the time, "not on my agenda, does not exist." Not exactly a representative democracy if you ask me.

We won the the war of 1812, and we had to give land back, including Louisiana, and we all saw how much you cared about them. I think we can beat them again, ya that's it...



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:34 PM
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Sadly, and against the Advice of some of the most influencial founding fathers who became known as the Anti Federalists, via Legalese that is Replete throughout this most treasonous document that many men have been taught to defend with their lives....... we as americans were as free as we were ever going to be prior to ratification of the constitution.

Like the Barons trying to use the Magna Carta against a King!
These bastards used this document to become Kings!

Long live the Confederacy!
Long Live the Anti Federalists!



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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For one thing, people need to read before posting about this thread. Debunk or whatever AFTER reading please!


Originally posted by Invariance
The Green Party has something to say on the issue.
“Not only are the details of this new security agreement not being made public, but there seems to be no intention to bring this issue to parliament for debate. Harper continues to subvert democracy on all fronts,” said May.

I also found an article from The National Post dated Feb 18, 2011.


We have reached the point where our national interests — economic, social, security and the rest — are now best served by a North American Community engaged in the economic broadening and institutional cohesion that generates focus and opportunity.

Institutional cohesion? What does that mean to you?

The article goes on


There will be a huge effort on the part of the forces of reaction, the old proponents of “a little Canada” and the merchants of insecurity and polarization to systematically strip away our will to move ahead. Canadian conservatives across this country must ensure that we do all that our democratic system allows to not let those forces prevail.

Remember, this was printed in Feb... Now, I've noticed some say that Harper can't do this or that.. but ask yourselves really? HOW many times have the governments done things they weren't supposed to do? Be Honest!



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by Invariance
HOW many times have the governments done things they weren't supposed to do? Be Honest!


We have a winner right here
All I know is, I would literally raise hell and incite riots if this were to actually transpire and occur because there's no way I'd ever just sit there and take it up the ass like our counterparts to the south of us do, never.
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Hello everyone

I rarely post but am obliged to give a picture of what is happening in Canada. I live in Toronto,ON and have had a chance to help/work for numerous Members of Parliament. I used to be a Progressive Conservative member but have switched to Liberal and now to Green/Independent/We have lost Canada already party lol

Canada is a colony of the USA and NWO.

In Canada a majority means that the Prime Minister can rule unopposed for 4-5 years. Garnering 40% of the vote gives a party a majority (too long to explain). Only 60% of the people voted last time, thus 24% of eligible voters dictate who rules.

Currently the Conservatives are at 39.4% in the polls.

Though we have a multi-party system, 3 of the 4 major parties (not including the sepratist Bloc in this analysis) are beholden to corporate interests. A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for the Oil and Defense lobby. A vote for Liberals is a vote for the Financial and Healthcare lobby. A vote for the NDP is a vote for Big Union. Only the Greens are untainted (as of yet) and have no chance of getting in power and have been shut out by the MSM


All told a vote for any of the 3 is a vote for the NAU. The Conservatives got the ball rolling in the 80's, the Liberals furthered it in the 90's (with support of the NDP), and the Cons are at it again. Our resources have been bought and controlled by the USA and foreign interests. Our public healthcare (not a socialist Hitler like system as described here on ATS sometimes, but a functioning system though burdened by rising obesity/elderly and the tax burden shifting away from the Corporations to individuals) is about to be destroyed as the rhetoric out of this election is that we should privatize the system for profit by big Corp. *Disclaimer, I am a former business owner, and currently do business development, I am in no way anti-business, I am however anti-corporatcracy and anti-corrupt.

You may ask why dont us Canadians question this? Well, the MSM is fast going down the tubes to the level of US MSM. The main issue in this election is whether we should spend $40B on jets and prisons, how much to cut corp taxes, and which candidate is more Canadian. We all assume that things will always be the same as was before, not noticing the crumbling beneath our feet. Did I mention we just got our own version of Fox here spewing corporate propaganda?

Canada, RIP, you are were choked by the few wealthy controlling families and foreign corps who have raped you.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:28 PM
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This would only give ammo to QC an AB to separate.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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So Canada will be the new suburbs huh? Hate to tell you guys this but that will only last about 20 years. I guess at that time the Artic Circle will be the new suburbs. After that, better hope we perfected space travel.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:42 PM
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Sounds to me like twisted words and paranoid accusations made by a fanatical supporter of an opposing party. It's pure rubbish, I'd bet on it. I'm American and I don't like our government and systems, I just can't take any insane allegations such as these seriously, lol.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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The thing is, neither province would be a feasible nation, not matter what my fellow Albertans or neighbours the Québecois might believe. Alberta would be landlocked by the most powerful nation on Earth; Québec almost just as bad, with only a few northern villages on the coast with access to international waters, as the rest would have to sail through the maritimes.

There's a reason Canada has stayed fairly united for so long: it's born out of necessity, for losing one province, never mind 9 provinces and three territories against one, would harm, or possibly kill the nation.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Anyone else remember seeing these images floating around online before?







I would say the planning of an NAU is already completed, and the desire for the PTB to enforce it is more than clear....now it all becomes a question of wheather or not they can force the people into such a desperate situation that they would accept it.


It all comes down to whether or not the people will let it happen. And frankly, I cant say Im too optimistic as of now.




posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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Where exactly did the first quote come from? I can't find it and I'd definitely like to get that so I can use it later. It is a pretty unbelievable quote. Who was he talking to when he said that? I mean wouldn't canadians be a little upset about him saying "I'm American"?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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You guys are being scared into voting for the other guy. I'm really surprised all the Canadians I know are smart. There is NOWAY that this could happen. Keep in mind I know NOTHING about the man Harper.

In the US to add just a state it requires a vote by the population. Not even Congress could green light this. Your liberals are trying to scare you into voting for them. It's pathetic people don't fall for this. It's false propaganda. They could never hide that meeting. If Obama had made an agreement he would be Impeached and have to resign.

It's just dirty politics. Don't be a victim. The Liberals play the political terrorism card all the time here in the US. went it looked like there was going to be a government shut down because they couldn't agree on budget cuts the Liberals cried that the republicans didn't want old people to eat or women to have their breasts examined for cancer. lol just stuff that only an idiot would believe. Why do politicians get a free pass when they lie and make stuff up. They should go to jail. That would be a law they would never pass.






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