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Since When Was Thinness Equated With Beauty?

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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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I personally prefer larger women. There are scores of studies that suggest that a disproportionate percentage of women are 'overweight.' Logically, a large percentage of these women would have partners. This means that many men like women who are deemed overweight.

Just a personal preference, but I don't like 'stick insects.' They look unwell to me. To me there is nothing more appealing than "curves." I realize that obesity can be unhealthy too, but there are extremes in all things. Extremely skinny is far less appealing to me than a woman considered 'overweight.'

If I look at charts showing my ideal weight for my height, it shows a weight that makes me look unwell and frail. Perhaps it's different for women, but some of these charts are just unrealistic. YMMV.




posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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I'm 5'2". My ideal weight, even for my age, is around 115bs. Well, I got to that weight and people thought I was sick. One even asked me if I had cancer. I look much healthier (and feel better physically) at around 130-135. So you're right. It's hard to standardize weight. It's like standardized tests. Neither work because there is no such thing as standardized people.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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if you like skinny chicks you like skinny chicks. But dont try and add heft to your stance with dumbass statements like "most men prefer" because the truth is you have NO idea what most men prefer. You can only go by what maybe you and your friends, family or coworkers may like. the rest is crap probably seen on tv, read in a magazine or absorbed in some other way that brings us right back to the original question of conditioning.

Like it or not, there are many men who like large women...all over the world. Japan is nice...but not representative of the whole. Stop cherrypicking and actually get in your research bag. the information is out there. All I did was google fat admirer and I came up with a bunch of stuff, including this really neat website from a self proclaimed chubby chaser... www.lardbiscuit.com...

some snippets:

Ever since my confused early days of preadolescence, I've felt like I was somehow different. I have long struggled with my sexuality before finally coming to grips with the truth that I'm not like all the other guys. Now I'm mature enough and confident enough to embrace who I am. I can stop pretending to be aroused by the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, or acting impressed by some miniskirted little thing strutting her stuff down the street. I'll say it loud and say it proud: I like fat chicks

Even though we take pride in our preferences, the life of an F.A. can be a bitter hell. The fashionable female body shape dictated by our demented society has been a horrific curse and burden upon me since I entered puberty. What a cruel fate to be born an F.A. in this misguided age when women with two-digit weights are considered the epitome of beauty. Everywhere I look, these scrawny, malnourished little girls -- and I choose that word deliberately because they don't look like full-grown women -- are presented as the ultimate standard of female perfection. But bone-thin women just don't do a thing for me.

Our culture understands this concept just fine when it comes to breasts. No one ever asks why men like big breasts -- it's taken as a given that we just do. Attitudes about the rest of the female form are where things get screwy. To me, the appeal of a big round butt and big round hips is materially just the same as the appeal of big round ta-ta's. They're all examples of excess adipose tissue distributed in uniquely feminine configurations. But our pathologically breast-loving, hips-hating society insists there's a polarization of values between these categories of female body fat. I think it's certifiably insane.

Secret life and unstudied passion of men who like their women large...www.dimensionsmagazine.com...

In Mauritania, women are purposely fattened up from very young so that they are more desirable to the opposite sex...www.digitaljournal.com...

south africa, Jamaica, fiji, Afghanistan...all countries that embrace curves....even if the last one has them hidden for the most part...www.lemondrop.com...


Again...this is not me forcing my views down anyones throat. This is me doing good old fashion digging to support my stance rather than talking out the side of my neck. I dont really care who likes what but I do care about treating people with respect and not walking around blind. Personally I am attracted white boys built like club bouncers and rugby goons. However, I would never shut myself off from the possibility of happiness with someone who did not fall within those parameters.




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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Also, in regards to the pic with the three chicks...look how shiny the thick ones hair is. look at the glow of her skin. look how healthy she looks. Look how thin the chick on the left's hair is. look how dry it looks. look at her skin...how frail it looks. Weight aside...if I was gonna guess who was living a lifestyle contributing to an overall look of glowing health, the one on the far right takes it. The one in the middle seems to be a midway point between the two.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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I'm just the opposite...I'm a big guy, and likely always will be...I've taken the pounds off before, around my senior year in High School, but I literally had to starve myself to do it. And of course it all came back, within about 3 years or so. Ironically in todays world, I am at a disadvantage....with plenty of food and shelter, my slow metabolism is a hinderance, much more so than it helping me....and as I'm sure you well know, large people are often more susceptiable to certain deseases, and generally live shorter than thin people (in the world of today I mean). Soooo, I'm really gunning for some huge natural disaster that brings the world to its knees!!! Bring it on, so I can be genetically superior again, like my forefathers!!!!



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by irsuccubus
if you like skinny chicks you like skinny chicks. But dont try and add heft to your stance with dumbass statements like "most men prefer" because the truth is you have NO idea what most men prefer. You can only go by what maybe you and your friends, family or coworkers may like. the rest is crap probably seen on tv, read in a magazine or absorbed in some other way that brings us right back to the original question of conditioning.
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"Dumbass statements".. like that the norm in society is that skinny is more attractive - at least in the US? You rarely see fat people on TV that aren't playing a 'fat' role. How many other fat girls play lead roles in movies besides Precious? If the 'average' guy in America liked fat girls, there would be more of them than skinny model types on TV. But that isn't the case, because "the majority of men prefer" skinny. Majority could mean 51%.. which I'm pretty sure is true, if not way higher.

Yes, there are people that like bigger women, but that's not the average person. Some people can only attract certain types, so that's what they say they're into - and before you get huffy and puffy about that, there are some people like that. It's undeniable.

(I'm not talking about all of the exceptions to the rule, I'm talking generally, and about American culture)



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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So by your logic, anything pushed down our throats by television and the like is done so because thats what we want. Fair enough. But allow me to counter with: Kathy Najimmy, America Farerra(Ugly Betty), Jennifer Hudson, Camryn Manheim(The Practice), Conchetta Ferrell (2 and a half men)...I could go on but I think the point is clear....using Precious as an example is just lazy. If we go back a few years we can pull up names like Mae West. If you have no idea who she is...look her up. The woman embodied sexy. The screen smoked when she came on.

Again...if you are going to counter, bring an argument that is not full of holes to the table. Of course there are many men prefer a smaller woman. What is at the root of that remains a gigantic question mark. no one is disputing that. but it seems painfully obvious after reading many of these posts that people dont care about that fact and are more concerned with making sure that it comes across that fat woman should be considered as somehow less. You said it yourself. If someone is dating them that must be because they cant pull anyone better. So thin is better in your eyes. I happen to disagree for a myriad of reasons. I dont see one as being better or worse. I just see that they are different. I think that they are just as entitled to the things that humans thrive on. Companionship, love, friendship, social interaction and the freedom to be themselves without fear of reprisal. And yet there are those who seem to want to make it their business to let me know that they dont. Or if they do...toss them the scraps because thats what they are worth. wow.



If a womans worth is based on whether or not you would f**k, date or marry her....we have bigger problems than we think.
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posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Maybe the reason why you don't see more fat people in non fat people rolls on tv and in movies is because the studios/executives won't take a chance on them.What do you think would happen if all of the fashion designers all of a sudden would start using bigger type models would are preception change on a whole?



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by othello
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Maybe the reason why you don't see more fat people in non fat people rolls on tv and in movies is because the studios/executives won't take a chance on them.What do you think would happen if all of the fashion designers all of a sudden would start using bigger type models would are preception change on a whole?

Men might become men?

Takes a man to handle a real woman, right?



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
Naw I just don't like to see their fat rolls jiggle around while being intimate. Nothing really more complicated than that.

You can say there's nothing wrong with being fat and there isn't and you can say their beautiful and they are but don't pretend that they are as desirable as thinner women. Perhaps to some they may be but not to the majority of men they aren't.

You can say it's wrong and blame anything you want to on it but it's just a fact of life. Men as a whole do not prefer fat women.


You missed the OP point completely. He's not talking about fat women, he's talking about NOT skinny women.

Men on the whole don't look at weight in terms of physical body attraction. They look at hip to ass ratio. You can have that if you're overweight or underweight.

The perfect woman in terms of body would be someone like Rihanna. Slim waist, fat ass.

"Does my bum look big in this?", no, go eat another cake.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
Well like I said, you can justify it any way you like but if you have someone like kate perry or whoever is hot now walking down the street next to say, pick whatever large woman you want, who do you think most guys are gonna spend more time looking at?

Blame it on conditioning or living in the city or whatever but nevertheless it's true of society today.


Katy Perry is considered attractive because of her large breasts. Which were made of fat, last I checked.

I don't think too many people like her for the face. I mean no offense but she looks like a cartoon character with those big goggly eyes.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
When a woman is too thin she loses all her shape... it's a shame. I like a somewhat slender and athletic build on a woman personally (kinda like what you posted), but not too thin because that appears childish and not very womanly. When you look at art, such as statues, paintings, and even comics and those old pin-up girl pictures, women are typically depicted as very shapely and not too skinny. It's only in recent times (past few decades) that people started going crazy over being overly thin. It can be unhealthy and you may develop eating disorders if you become too obsessed. That doesn't mean let yourself go though.


Balance is key.


It's gone completely the other way though now. I don't want to be crude but I mean look at the porn industry. Just look at it, and get back to me. Very few popular female porn 'actors' could be considered slim. They certainly don't resemble cat walk models or anything like that.

The most popular website is probably bangbros. If there's no children about go have a look.

I think commercial hip hop, while being sexist to boot and objectifying females, has actually brought back the natural curvy woman as a lust object. Rather than your Kate Moss type annorexics.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Wang Tang

Originally posted by Cheesefacedogbone

And now I wonder, how did you manage to get away from following the norm like everyone else? Could you share some of your story.



I feel like I could write a book trying to answer that question.

The truth is I never really did. I have always just been myself. I never saw a legitimate reason to. People will try to change you. Social pressure will try to change you. To me the most interesting people in the world are the ones that dont let any of that BS bother them. I think the key is to realize that were all just human beings and that all the labels dont mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of things.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Scribbles
I work out at the gym daily so I can be healthy/fit. You have no idea how many times I hear the "God, you should eat a burger" comment. I understand they are insecure about their bodies (most of the time) but resorting to petty comments is just immature. The other comment I get the most is "men love women with curves" which confuses me for the most part. The women saying this are confusing being fat with being curvy. Curvy is more of a body type like Marilyn Monroe, Mariah Carey and Salma Hayek. I've learned to not respond to those girls over the years but their comments still get to me sometimes.


edit on 4/21/2011 by Scribbles because: Format messed up.


Have to agree with this too. I love curvy women. But I absolutely cannot stand fat girls who confuse being fat with being curvy. But I think the media are to blame for alot of it. If i was so inclined I'd say there was a conspiracy by the media to confuse being curvy and being fat.

When men say they like curvy girls it's like you say. Monroe, J Lo, Carey, Rihanna etc.

Otherwise healthy people who have curves in the right place. Nobody wants a woman with a beer belly



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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Originally posted by jstanthrno1
Why do people claim skinny women don't have curves?? They do.. in just the right places!!


Not really. Most skinny women starve themselves and have flat asses. If you don't eat enough and over exercise your fat deposits in the 'right places' will dissapear.

Show me a true skinny woman with curves.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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I always laugh at the misconception. Being curvy definately does not mean being fat. To me fat is revolting, always was as far as I remember. I blame seventeen mags and mags like that. They always seem to call fat curvy and other PC nice names.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Flat asses are due to muscle loss, when their bodies start eating itself.... A nice curvy ass is not fat, it is nicely toned muscle....



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by Son of Will
Being skinny is a direct result of being healthy. I know that many people would argue otherwise, but it's simply not true. The heavier you are the shorter you live. Point to me any centenarian - anywhere, from any time - who was not skinny. You can't because they don't exist now, and have never existed.

Combine that with the fact that healthy individuals naturally make better mates, and the result is a species that is predominately sexually attracted to healthy, skinny people.


It's a nice idea in theory, but all scientific research disagrees with your conclusion.

People are not more sexually attracted to skinny women. And, this is the most important part, skinny people do not make better mates. From a reproductive standpoint atleast.



posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Flat asses are due to muscle loss, when their bodies start eating itself.... A nice curvy ass is not fat, it is nicely toned muscle....


To an extent. I know what you're saying, the muscle is what shapes it, but ass is made up of fat also.

And I almost forgot to post this. I think everyone on both sides of the argument will like this song. When I was a wee boy the parents would play it, I was completely oblivious to the sexual nature of the song until I heard it again the other week


Everyone give it a listen, they're a great group.




posted on Apr, 22 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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To answer your questions no to both.What i was getting at is if the fashion industry and media groups started using heavier people would are preceptions change as a whole?


I also like the above youtube video very cool
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