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Originally posted by HabaneroPepper
reply to post by RicoMarston
I understand what your saying, the argument could in fact go both ways. My point was that non-smokers rights should not trump the rights of smokers.
Originally posted by Unit541
However, if you bum a ride from me, then complain when I light up, I'll be testing my new Knight Rider ejection seat. Come to a backyard barbecue at my place, and ask me, nicely or not, to not smoke, and you'll be shown the exit with a puff of smoke and a middle finger.
Originally posted by onehuman
Ok, first I will post what brought me to making this thread and yes, once again I used the original title of article out of respect, but I really have more to say on the subject.
NEW YORK – A New Jersey woman was stabbed in the face with a pen on a New York City subway train after she tried to stop a man from lighting a cigarette. The assault occurred on a crowded No. 3 train near the Chambers Street station during Tuesday's morning rush. Witnesses told the Daily News and the New York Post that an argument quickly escalated when Evelyn Seeger asked the man not to smoke. The witnesses say two riders were trying to restrain the man when he pulled out a pen and slashed Seeger's face. Seeger, of Nutley, N.J., was treated at a hospital and released. Police charged the man with felony assault and criminal possession of a weapon.
Yes I quoted it all, but that is only because that was all there was to it, but here is the link if you must read it for itself. LINK
Now, do I agree with this? No. It is way over the top and uncalled for. The stabbing in the face part at least. Now I wasn't there and don't know all the factors of this particular situation, but I will venture a guess and say I highly doubt the non smoker said "Please if you don't mind." After all, this is Jersey and New York we are talking about here.
So, before I go any further, let me be the first to admit I am a smoker. I come from a time of owning a bar and even if I didn't, I could pretty much smoke anywhere. Then, one day, someone decided after years of it being ok, it wasn't. Just like that, and over night.
The non smokers have been heard and the laws changed. We went from one extreme to the other in a blink of the eye.
Now usually I am pretty aware of my surroundings if I am smoking and I mean this from the time when it was ok to smoke. If I knew it bothered someone, I did my best to keep it away from them. Out of respect and just being polite.
So lets us move forward so this isnt all long and drawn out. Now, I spend most of my time outside if I am out with friends be it a bar or out for dinner. My comfort zone and good time moment is pretty shot basically. For a smoker in that kind of environment is uncomfortable. For so long one was used to beer and cigs. go together. A smoke while out enjoying a meal relaxing, being yourself was a nice comfort zone. Getting up between beers or a serving is just as stressing I suppose as the ones that had to put up with the smokers to being with.
I am sure many of the smokers have run across that person that makes it obvious they don't like your smoking even in a place you can by waving their hands in front of their nose or the little cough cough thing. That is pretty annoying too.
I could go on and on here, the pros and cons, and yes I could quit and settle the problem, but the thing is, I don't Want to quit. If I did, I Would.I happen to Like Smoking period.
I sure dont go out as much now just because it is such a hassle to try and relax when I know I can't be myself. Screw that, Ill just stay home, no fuss, no muss.
What I really dont get it IS
why dont they just compromise? Put a sign on the door,"This is a smoking establishment," or This is a "Non Smoking establishment." Then water can seek its own level and the smokers wont bother the non smokers and visa versa. Is it really that tough to make it that simple? Or, this is a smoking flight and this one isn't. Book your preference.
I just dont think one extreme to the other is the answer when it could be settled so easily with a simple catering sign on the door.
Have we goten so complex that simplicity has fallen to the wayside?edit on 20-4-2011 by onehuman because: (no reason given)edit on 20-4-2011 by onehuman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by thedeadtruth
Typically pathetically stupid answer from a smoker, but unfortunately the kind you expect from someone desperate to justify the unjustifiable ........
People die from Aspirin, should we ban all aspirin? ---- But people get saved from aspirin, no-one gets saved from smoking
People die from traffic accidents, should we ban all cars? ------ From people who drive recklessly and hurt others yes.
People die from alcohol, should we ban all alcohol? -------- When you drink you only damage your own liver. Not the person next to you.
People die from horse riding, should we ban horse riding? ------ They are called accidents idiot.
People die from skiing, should we ban skiing? ------------ Again called an accident . Really that the best you got.
The thing with smoking is "it is killing you", even in the smallest amounts. There is no accident or medicinal benefits being pursued. It is a suicidal activity you think is ok to force other people to do. No different than drinking then driving and running into someone.
The only difference is it is less dramatic, you get to kill yourself and others slowly.