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Birthers: Bumbling Fools or Conspiracy Masterminds?

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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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The world has been split very recently due to the Obama "Birther" movement. Donald Trump has openly supported the idea, demanding the birth certificate of our President, and now, more recently, Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President has come out with the new information that claims to prove that "Obama is not eligible to be president."

Meanwhile, Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachman have tried to calm down the Birther claims flying at conservatives from the far left. Bachman has said, "Stop asking Republicans to vouch and verify for Barack Obama’s birth certificate. That‘s not my job to do or anyone else’s." She also said that “I take the president at his word. If he says he was born there, he was born there,” but politely suggested that he provide more proof to calm down the masses in the same breath.
Glenn Beck responded quite forcibly, yelling "Stop with the (darn) birth certificate!" at the camera on his TV show on FOX News. He also said "If you’re going to lose your country– we’re going to lose it on a birth certificate You have a real opportunity to talk about American exceptionalism … instead you’re going to waste time on the birth certificate?”

Many Birther/non-Birther threads have popped up here on ATS, and I am interested on your opinion. No big deal, or subject of a NWO/OWG coverup?

Please flag this up or flame it down freely! I cannot wait for your response!

Thank you,
SeraphNB




posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Without a shadow of a doubt I am a bumbling idiot.

Many here will agree.



Now I can find a conspiracy theory anywhere, and everywhere.
My, they go back to the beginning of civilization.
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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I'm really not trying to be rude here, but as you said yourself there are currently other (several) threads covering this exact topic. Why do we need another thread with 30 pages of Left vs. Right nonsense?

On topic: I believe there is an issue with the certificate. He would not spend millions hiding information if not. He can be quoted as saying: (not verbatim but you'll get the drift) "people that have nothing to hide, don't hide things"



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Glenn Beck Leaves FOX News Over Birth Certificate Issue.....If Barry can get by with it, anyone can...It can be a bought and paid for office, which it is anyway....Who ever David Rockefeller and friends wants in, goes in...Voting is a waste of time as long as it is done with software.....and....TPTB are alive and running everything.....

P/S...I'm crazy too, but I am not a fool......





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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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My 2 cents is that I do find it very odd he doesn't just show it. I wouldn't call myself a birther, but I am watching this situation play out. I wouldn't be surprise if he was found to be not american by birth, but at this stage in the game, he's almost done with his term so why now. This is baseball. if they find out you cheated it's not like everything you don't would be fore fitted. Or maybe it will. I don't know. My 2 cents.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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I would not say "Bumbling Fools" as much as I would say that they choose their own facts.

Seeing a lot of them here at ATS makes me wonder if there is any weight to the reports we've seen that conservative think tanks are infiltrating forums such as ours to spread disinformation.(HB Gary)

Sounds like that is what is happening to me.

This place has never been so devoid of fact.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by mudbeed
Seeing a lot of them here at ATS makes me wonder if there is any weight to the reports we've seen that conservative think tanks are infiltrating forums such as ours to spread disinformation.(HB Gary)

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” — Hanlon’s razor



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by freakjive
On topic: I believe there is an issue with the certificate. He would not spend millions hiding information if not.


I believe there is issue with your facts.

WND is a horrible source and the one that started all of the "He spent Millions" to hide his birth certificate nonsense.

They found that he had paid his campaign attorneys around 1.7 million over 2 years for the campaign cycle and attributed that money falsely to the birther issue.

He has not spent one nickel, one dime on the issue. All the cases have been dismissed without the neccessity for he or his attorneys to even respond.

One lawyer of the firm that handled his campaign weighed in once with a letter to one of these whackos...if I recall...but that was one letter and the lawyer explained he did it on his own and without payment from the firm or Pres. Obama.


Originally posted by freakjive
He can be quoted as saying: (not verbatim but you'll get the drift) "people that have nothing to hide, don't hide things"


That assumes he is hiding anything. He has provided as valid a proof of his identity as the State of Hawaii issues.
His long form is no more credible than what he has already shown.

What the birther crowd is asking for is fuel for thier nonsense...nobody has any illusions that a long from would do anything else but spur more hate fiction. Geez, absent the long form they have already forged several of thier own to try and get the public to believe thier lies, why would anyone pander to these nuts?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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I'm not saying that Obama is a citizen or not, but I don't see the problem with checking it out.

I mean, if you had to weigh 200lbs to be eligible to run for president, then I'd expect there to be some sort of official weigh in for all the candidates.



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