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WikiLeaks suspect being moved out of Quantico

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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Yes, you can refuse to execute an order if you believe it is unlawfull. You will also have to prove the order was unlawfull. what Manning did wasn't so much in regards to "orders" and was more to do with personal accountability. He could have turned the information over to internal agencies thus utiluizing the chain of command to start an investigation. Instead, he chose to compromise the information with external entities hostile to and who have the intent of harming the United States of America. You know, folks like Hillary Clinton. So he willingly and without remorse endagered the national security of the US by choosing to work with it's enemies instead of going thru the chain of command. The information he divulged isn't his to do so with and he agreed to that before he was given access to it. When it comes out that he enlisted specifically to betray his country on behalf of his accomplises, he's gonna get life behind bars, at the minimum.




posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 04:46 AM
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Umm the man he released them too. Mr. Wikki leaks admitted he got the classified documents from manning. look on you tube. There's video of As sage talking about Manning



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Prove we stole oil from anyone

Anyone with half a brain can help you on that one

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Hell those countries SHOULD be GIVING us the oil for helping them, after coming to the US and BEGGING for help



Is this a joke account?
Homer looking insane with that gun in your AV is probably you cartoonified


And let me tell you something about giving you the oil, you are just like the Brits wanting to keep the Falkland islands thinking that British Petroleum will actually lower the prices for the average Brit.

No matter how much oil you STEAL the people will never benefit from it, you'll never see it
Only the elites will see it, so take the "us" out of your statement

Your thinking is like you just got screwed and raped and your telling others they should be happy if the same happens to them.

That's even beyond a slave mentality


China and Russia got most of the oil contracts for Iraq. What oil has the US stolen from whom? I recommend doing some research so you know what's really going on and not depend on DailyKos of Huffpo as they will always take the left-handed path. And please remember that BP is Rothschilds, so you can kick their azz for me any day of the week.

www.businessinsider.com...
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 05:36 AM
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its the best thing he ever did. and imo anyone who wears a military uniform is a disgrace to mankind.
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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Don't worry. Bradley Manning will be spending much time recovering after the water boarding and other torture he more than likely received as his punishment, while at Levenworth will then be "diffused" and reprogrammed and taught that being a man and having a pair of balls and stepping up to tell the truth is a traitorous act and that he needs to hook up to his ipod and ipad and get a real life for now on while watching dancin with the stars and general hospital!



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by ThePeopleParty
reply to post by HomerinNC
 


its the best thing he ever did. and imo anyone who wears a military uniform is a disgrace to mankind.
edit on 21-4-2011 by ThePeopleParty because: (no reason given)


Thank you for saying this as I do agree with it partially. I have encountered so many bad men with black hearts that wear uniforms in my time. There are very few real men in uniform. Just my personal take.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by JerryB08
reply to post by PsykoOps
 



Umm the man he released them too. Mr. Wikki leaks admitted he got the classified documents from manning. look on you tube. There's video of As sage talking about Manning


Source that or retract the statement. It would be kind dubious for JA to know that it was Manning cause the wikileaks system is anonymous.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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It takes a true patriot to stand against the corruption within your own country, and risk being branded a traitor.
If Bradley Manning is guilty of what he's accused of, then he's a hero in my books, and the traitors are those who authorized crimes in the name of the US!



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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being the leader of a country any country especially this one things have to be done and they always will that go against the individuals moral and ethical codes.

for any country to survive morality is a luxury one can ill afford every country in the entire world has done things that dont want to do more often than not there is no other choice.


So, bad is good, and good is bad!!?? The end justifies the means.....

You acknowledge the government is wrong, but feel that is OK. A citizen acting by his conscience is wrong for doing so.

Not much room for discussion here is there. Reason and justice are meaningless to you -- just your opinion counts.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Great. Fine. Eventually, one side ot the other will win. So what. When we reach that day who's really gonna care anymore anyway! I just want to do whatever it takes to ensure that we win. At all costs. Permanently.


I wonder if you even heard the truth in your own statement? Such sad irony. Those who sent you to war surely aren't going "to care" about your plight - or if you live or die any more than those you perceive as "enemy".

I shudder at the complete brainwashing that has brought you to the point where you no longer care if there is any merit or reason for the bloodshed; even your own, so long as your "side" wins.

You are not a robot my friend. You are a human being, and not a stupid one by any means. The real crime here is what the system has done to guys like you.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC


Well he is still a criminal NO MATTER what ANYONE says, he released classified material to unauthorized persons. A traitor and a scumbag in my book
One day, some of you will realize that, if you take something thats not yours to take, or not yours to release, you WILL be punished. Its not the fact of what the material was, it was the fact he wasnt AUTHORIZED to release it

www.latimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


To bad we did'nt have someone like him for the Mai Li Massacre! and some technology of a Video Cam

My Lai Massacre
en.wikipedia.org...

So you in with the Military to keep it shut up ! you need to work for the CIA then ! They will LOVE YOU! For it
Especially if your a Republican Conservative that loves War from your Avatar i can see you do !

ILL Bet there was a lot of Incidents like the My Lai Massacre In Iraq a Country that did not have WMD! was Invaded and it Majority Population did not beg us to get (Kill) Saddam as the CIA & NSA could of done it So Easily with a Couple of Men (SPY's) with OUT an Invasion! ...

You know that what they shot up in that video he gave to Wikileaks were Reporters for Rense

and what the hell shooting KILLING unarmed Rescuers in the Van ! and it had Children in the Van ! and the ones in the Chopper laughing saying that what they get for bringing kids in the Fire Fight! to bad the people in that VAN didnt have a White flag and waving it ! what would of they done then , Would they still kill them! seeing they were pumped!



Powell and Rice assure everyone Iraq is NO THREAT pre-9/11

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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Prove we stole oil from anyone
Hell those countries SHOULD be GIVING us the oil for helping them, after coming to the US and BEGGING for help



Robert Weissman
Posted: September 17, 2007 12:09 AM

Greenspan, Kissinger: Oil Drives U.S. in Iraq, Iran
www.huffingtonpost.com...

Secret memos expose link between oil firms and invasion of Iraq, page 1
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Say again ?



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Prove we stole oil from anyone

Anyone with half a brain can help you on that one

Originally posted by HomerinNC
Hell those countries SHOULD be GIVING us the oil for helping them, after coming to the US and BEGGING for help



Is this a joke account?
Homer looking insane with that gun in your AV is probably you cartoonified


And let me tell you something about giving you the oil, you are just like the Brits wanting to keep the Falkland islands thinking that British Petroleum will actually lower the prices for the average Brit.

No matter how much oil you STEAL the people will never benefit from it, you'll never see it
Only the elites will see it, so take the "us" out of your statement

Your thinking is like you just got screwed and raped and your telling others they should be happy if the same happens to them.

That's even beyond a slave mentality


That would have been a great post if you had applied it to an appropriate thread. Falkland Islands are British, have been for well over a century - you mean Britain has not agreed that Argentina can take control even though they have no claim and it's completely against the wishes of the actual people who live on the islands I guess? You mean that while residents of the Falklands islands are classed as having an excellent quality of life, British government did this in the hope that one day oil would be found?

Bradley Manning appears to have taken something that wasn't his to take and this led to Assange (spit) being seen as some kind of poster boy. Anything you mention about any other situation is meaningless.
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC


Well he is still a criminal NO MATTER what ANYONE says, he released classified material to unauthorized persons. A traitor and a scumbag in my book
One day, some of you will realize that, if you take something thats not yours to take, or not yours to release, you WILL be punished. Its not the fact of what the material was, it was the fact he wasnt AUTHORIZED to release it

www.latimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


His only alleged crime is helping expose war crimes and other "conspiracies" conducted by the U.S. government. So in fact criminals are the ones imprisoning him right now and torturing him...an American citizen. Even in a situation where his actions were even a bad thing...the maltreatment of him is unwarranted and highly unconstitutional.

This is not the plot for Unthinkable with SLJ. He is not a terrorist who planted nukes all over America...lol. He simply revealed incriminating documents about our actions overseas. (I am not simply talking about the chopper shooting up Reuters).

He is being held in solitary confinement, is forced to sleep naked, line up naked in front of his cell each morning, is being blocked from visitation by UN torture investigators, among other things.

wsws.org...

wsws.org...



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Vanishr
The only 'political scandal' involved here is jailing a freedom of speech activist, who tried to warn people of the horrible truths of the government.


"Freedom of Speech" doesn't include theft and release of classified documents or files.



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by boncho
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One day, some of you will realize that, if you take something thats not yours to take, or not yours to release, you WILL be punished.


Umm... So what about all the people that get away with it? Or get pardoned by presidents because the crimes fit in with the agenda of a powerful person?



People may have and may still die as a result of the leaks. Actions have consequences and Traitors are evil people that only other evil people defend.

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WASHINGTON, D.C. — An ongoing Pentagon review of the massive flood of secret documents made public by the WikiLeaks website has so far found no evidence that the disclosure harmed U.S. national security or endangered American troops in the field, a Pentagon official told NBC News on Monday. The initial Pentagon assessment is far less dramatic than initial statements from the Obama White House Sunday night after three major news organizations – The New York Times, the Guardian and Der Spiegel — published what was touted as an unprecedented “secret archive” of classified military documents relating to the war in Afghanistan. The documents appear to show, among other matters, close collaboration between elements of the Pakistani intelligence service and the Taliban — an awkward issue that U.S. intelligence officials have


www.msnbc.msn.com...



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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thats one of the most disrespectful things i have ever heard, if it wasnt for people in a military uniform you would be speaking german right now, you probably wouldn't have some of the freedoms that you do have.

im speechless that someone would ever say that

another thing none of you know that he is being tortured, how can you prove that he is?

because a un torture investigator wasnt aloud to see him...its not the UN's business to see him, he committed a crime while in a military uniform so now he must abide by military laws
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posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by caf1550
reply to post by ThePeopleParty
 


thats one of the most disrespectful things i have ever heard, if it wasnt for people in a military uniform you would be speaking german right now, you probably wouldn't have some of the freedoms that you do have.

im speechless that someone would ever say that


if is the people in military uniform that caused ww2, i dont get your logic...
are you saying that people in uniforms stop wars....



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 12:30 PM
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not hardly someone acting in his self interest compared to some who was elected to serve the interest of an entire people of a country.

is reasoning and justice meaningless to you.


or does your opinion the only counts



posted on Apr, 21 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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no substance eh and just how do people get to work where does the fuel come from to grow that food how does it get to the supermarket? how does any good or products get to anyretail outlets.

do they just majically appear there?

the basis for any economy in the world is oil-FUEL gas.

everything revolves around oil man think about it.



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