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Forget the Birth Certificate! Wheres the Proof He Even Existed?

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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Apparently it's true, though it had no bearing on her husband's presidency. I actually never heard or read of any "leftist" bringing it up.


Well, according to public police records, First Lady Laura Bush - then Laura Welch - was involved in a fatal car crash in Texas in 1963.


articles.nydailynews.com...




posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by hawaii50th
reply to post by something wicked
 

If you think people as you put it in the real world don't speak of things such as this fraud, then you must live on another planet.
There sure is a strong amount of those that continue to deny these questions, and they always get upset. In life, when someone is confronted with what appears to be truth, they usually get upset. Many do not like being confronted with truth, and why is that? Pride, not wanting to be wrong or guilty.



No, you are just all mouth, sorry, you have all opinion, nothing to back it up against, sorry, I'll wave to you on whatever planet you are on. Deny, deny deny, you want proof, proof, proof, sorry, you are the wooly one with lots of questions, but no answers that suit you.

Edit to add... you have nothing in the way of proof to anything, frankly my friend, you are a troll doing the boards.
edit on 20-4-2011 by something wicked because: a little more added



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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reply to post by LosLobos
 


You post the best line "You want tio give Obama grief?"
GWBush outs a CIA agent (Treason under US law) & you wanna give Obama grief?
GWBush runs the country into the poor house, gives banks our money & tax cuts for the rich & you wanna give Obama grief?
GHWBush helps Reagan trade arms(to Iran our worst enemy) for US hostages & you wanna give Obama grief?
Many sane posters have pointed out Obama HAS shown his BC. The long form was shown to reporters who flew to Hawaii to see it.
No modern President has had his college records released to the public.
Not Bush Jr
Not Clinton
Not Bush sr
Not Reagan
Obama HAS NOT spent $2 million to "hide" anything. McCain spent $1.6 million (as it has been pointed out) after the campaign to lawyers.
As for his school mates it was reported FIRST by this guy:
Wayne Allyn Root
Most expressions of this rumor feed off the statement (referenced in a Wall Street Journal editorial) that "Fox News contacted some 400 of [Obama's] classmates and found no one who remembered him" and a statement made by Wayne Allyn Root (the Libertarian Party's 2008 vice presidential nominee who also attended Columbia at the same time as Barack Obama) that "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia."
Reliable? Who owns the Wall Street Journal? This is the origin of the "mystery" of Obama's college days. Feel smarter?
Here is the origin of Obama is a socialist:
Fox News Exec Admits to Lying About Obama's "Socialism"
www.good.is...
This is all based off of FOX NEWS REPORTS!!!
Feel smarter?
Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
Yet another study has been released that proves that watching Fox News is detrimental to your intelligence. World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.
If you still believe this tripe then prove to me Jesus was an actual person. He never wrote ANYTHING, all his sermons are second hand, many philosophers that lived in the Holy land at the same time as Jesus yet NONE wrote of him!!!
In fact wouldn't there be plenty of evidence and writing of someone who died & CAME BACK TO LIFE?
How come his virgin birth was "copied" by several before Jesus was "born"?
Horus
Mithra
Dionysus
Quetzalcoatl
Hercules
Krishna
Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, Apollo
Born on December 25th:
Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by "stars", attended by 'wise men', involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.
Deny your God, deny Fox News, deny ignorance, deny what can be proven false but most of all
recognize you believe this stuff because you're RACISTS!!!
What will be funny is the October Suprise in 2012 will be Obama presenting his Birth Certificate (for a second time) and win the election soundly defeating the GOP candidate AGAIN.
For a conspiracy site you guys are lame!



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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I'm sorry but where did you get those birth dates from? I'm guessing nowhere that actually had a clue - when was for example Krishna (if existed) born, and what is the Julian calendar version of that date? Please, some back up because frankly my friend I believe you have been lied to.

lol, just realised you must have been joking looking at the other bodies you have mentioned, lol

edit on 20-4-2011 by something wicked because: just saw the joke



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by LosLobos
 


You post the best line "You want tio give Obama grief?"
GWBush outs a CIA agent (Treason under US law) & you wanna give Obama grief?
GWBush runs the country into the poor house, gives banks our money & tax cuts for the rich & you wanna give Obama grief?
GHWBush helps Reagan trade arms(to Iran our worst enemy) for US hostages & you wanna give Obama grief?
Many sane posters have pointed out Obama HAS shown his BC. The long form was shown to reporters who flew to Hawaii to see it.
No modern President has had his college records released to the public.
Not Bush Jr
Not Clinton
Not Bush sr
Not Reagan
Obama HAS NOT spent $2 million to "hide" anything. McCain spent $1.6 million (as it has been pointed out) after the campaign to lawyers.
As for his school mates it was reported FIRST by this guy:
Wayne Allyn Root
Most expressions of this rumor feed off the statement (referenced in a Wall Street Journal editorial) that "Fox News contacted some 400 of [Obama's] classmates and found no one who remembered him" and a statement made by Wayne Allyn Root (the Libertarian Party's 2008 vice presidential nominee who also attended Columbia at the same time as Barack Obama) that "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia."
Reliable? Who owns the Wall Street Journal? This is the origin of the "mystery" of Obama's college days. Feel smarter?
Here is the origin of Obama is a socialist:
Fox News Exec Admits to Lying About Obama's "Socialism"
www.good.is...
This is all based off of FOX NEWS REPORTS!!!
Feel smarter?
Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
Yet another study has been released that proves that watching Fox News is detrimental to your intelligence. World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.
If you still believe this tripe then prove to me Jesus was an actual person. He never wrote ANYTHING, all his sermons are second hand, many philosophers that lived in the Holy land at the same time as Jesus yet NONE wrote of him!!!
In fact wouldn't there be plenty of evidence and writing of someone who died & CAME BACK TO LIFE?
How come his virgin birth was "copied" by several before Jesus was "born"?
Horus
Mithra
Dionysus
Quetzalcoatl
Hercules
Krishna
Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, Apollo
Born on December 25th:
Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by "stars", attended by 'wise men', involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.
Deny your God, deny Fox News, deny ignorance, deny what can be proven false but most of all
recognize you believe this stuff because you're RACISTS!!!
What will be funny is the October Suprise in 2012 will be Obama presenting his Birth Certificate (for a second time) and win the election soundly defeating the GOP candidate AGAIN.
For a conspiracy site you guys are lame!



wow! Very nicely written. I had a decent thread going here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
but it was shamed to the RANT club after a day.

My point of bringing this up was the conclusion I came to at the end of my thread.
While Race was the card I played, I honestly think this issue will continue to be an issue, just because people dont like him. simply put of course.
Either way, nice thread here!



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by marcsnothere

Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by LosLobos
 


You post the best line "You want tio give Obama grief?"
GWBush outs a CIA agent (Treason under US law) & you wanna give Obama grief?
GWBush runs the country into the poor house, gives banks our money & tax cuts for the rich & you wanna give Obama grief?
GHWBush helps Reagan trade arms(to Iran our worst enemy) for US hostages & you wanna give Obama grief?
Many sane posters have pointed out Obama HAS shown his BC. The long form was shown to reporters who flew to Hawaii to see it.
No modern President has had his college records released to the public.
Not Bush Jr
Not Clinton
Not Bush sr
Not Reagan
Obama HAS NOT spent $2 million to "hide" anything. McCain spent $1.6 million (as it has been pointed out) after the campaign to lawyers.
As for his school mates it was reported FIRST by this guy:
Wayne Allyn Root
Most expressions of this rumor feed off the statement (referenced in a Wall Street Journal editorial) that "Fox News contacted some 400 of [Obama's] classmates and found no one who remembered him" and a statement made by Wayne Allyn Root (the Libertarian Party's 2008 vice presidential nominee who also attended Columbia at the same time as Barack Obama) that "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia."
Reliable? Who owns the Wall Street Journal? This is the origin of the "mystery" of Obama's college days. Feel smarter?
Here is the origin of Obama is a socialist:
Fox News Exec Admits to Lying About Obama's "Socialism"
www.good.is...
This is all based off of FOX NEWS REPORTS!!!
Feel smarter?
Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
Yet another study has been released that proves that watching Fox News is detrimental to your intelligence. World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.
If you still believe this tripe then prove to me Jesus was an actual person. He never wrote ANYTHING, all his sermons are second hand, many philosophers that lived in the Holy land at the same time as Jesus yet NONE wrote of him!!!
In fact wouldn't there be plenty of evidence and writing of someone who died & CAME BACK TO LIFE?
How come his virgin birth was "copied" by several before Jesus was "born"?
Horus
Mithra
Dionysus
Quetzalcoatl
Hercules
Krishna
Demeter and Persephone, Rhea and Zeus, Apollo
Born on December 25th:
Horus, Mithra, Dionysus and Krishna were all born on December 25th., their births were announced by "stars", attended by 'wise men', involved humble birth locations, entailed the massacre of innocents and fleeing for safety from enemies, and so on and on.
Deny your God, deny Fox News, deny ignorance, deny what can be proven false but most of all
recognize you believe this stuff because you're RACISTS!!!
What will be funny is the October Suprise in 2012 will be Obama presenting his Birth Certificate (for a second time) and win the election soundly defeating the GOP candidate AGAIN.
For a conspiracy site you guys are lame!



wow! Very nicely written. I had a decent thread going here: www.abovetopsecret.com...
but it was shamed to the RANT club after a day.

My point of bringing this up was the conclusion I came to at the end of my thread.
While Race was the card I played, I honestly think this issue will continue to be an issue, just because people dont like him. simply put of course.
Either way, nice thread here!


Why is that nicely written. it makes no sense whatsover, and there is absolutely no facts on the dates mentioned - nicely written because it matches your own beliefs? Hmmm, ok, does that wool feel comfortable?
edit on 20-4-2011 by something wicked because: typo



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Baddogma
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


Wow. You can find fault in everyone's past, or rather, percieved fault. Obama wants children dead? Really? Even the most rabid abortion supporter doesn't want kids harmed (okay, excepting the occasional psychopath) but makes the difficult personal, moral choice between the rights of one person already here and the potential for one... a hard choice, admittedly, for some.

The real deal, if we cut through the b.s., is that you folks don't agree with his politics/philosophy and/or skin color and will pick through any questionable pile to support it. End of story.

But that's your right. I doubt the man in question would see it any differently, and that's the crux of the matter. Big, big sigh.


Look, I'm sorry but you just have not checked his voting record.It's perhaps not so much that he "wanted children dead", but that he callously views the unborn as not having right to life.
www.issues2000.org...

halfdone.wordpress.com...

On March 30, 2001, Obama was the only Illinois senator who rose to speak against a bill that would have protected babies who survived late term labor-induced abortion. Obama rose to object that if the bill passed, and a nine-month-old fetus survived a late-term labor-induced abortion was deemed to be a person who had a right to live, then the law would "forbid abortions to take place." Obama further explained the equal protection clause of the Fourteenth Amendment does not allow somebody to kill a child, so if the law deemed a child who survived a late-term labor-induced abortion had a right to live, "then this would be an anti-abortion statute." Source: Obama Nation, by Jerome Corsi, p.238 Aug 1, 2008
www.lloydmarcus.com...

As a nurse at an Illinois hospital in 1999, I discovered babies were being aborted alive and shelved to die in soiled utility rooms. I discovered infanticide.

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.


But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama. It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.






www.humanevents.com...

When the federal bill was being debated, NARAL Pro-Choice America released a statement that said, “Consistent with our position last year, NARAL does not oppose passage of the Born Alive Infants Protection Act ... floor debate served to clarify the bill’s intent and assure us that it is not targeted at Roe v. Wade or a woman’s right to choose.”


But Obama voted against this bill in the Illinois senate and killed it in committee. Twice, the Induced Infant Liability Act came up in the Judiciary Committee on which he served. At its first reading he voted “present.” At the second he voted “no.”



www.lifenews.com...
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by marcsnothere
Why is this thread not in the RANT section??


Because the mods must be republican, they seem to let threads like this run for days, let it had been something about bush or republicans, you would of got a political tos violation...TSA> style, with no Vaseline.

Cavities search anyone?

But then again, I like to see threads like this; it lets me know ‘WHO’S not smarter then a 5th grader ‘





Textbut it's niggled at me for ages that no one who ever dated him ever showed up.




Textnot one lady has stepped up and said, "He was soooo shy..." or "What a great dancer!!" Now look at the rest of this... no classmates, not even the recorder for the Columbia class notes ever heard of him....




TextEver wonder why no one ever came forward from President Obama's past saying they knew him, attended school with him




TextThis should really be a cause for great concern.




TextTo those who voted for him, you may have elected an unqualified, inexperienced shadow man.




TextWayne Allyn Root was, like Obama, a political science major at Columbia who also graduated in 1983. In 2008, Root says of Obama, "I don't know a single person at Columbia that knew him, and they all know me. I don't have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia .. EVER!



I think the founders of this SITE should make a forum called 'BELOW ATS' forget hoax, forget skunk works, just a forum called

'WAY BELOW ATS STANDARDS'

'WBAS'

BECAUSE IF THE REPUTATION ON THIS SITE IS TO 'DENY 'IGNORANCE'

Then ‘Way below ATS standards’ should be added as A reality switch, that ats will live and die by what they stand fore....Period !!!


What do you call someone who exaggerates to impress you for example a person gives advise when they have little or no knowledge of the subject?


Read more: wiki.answers.com... dge_of_the_subject#ixzz1K6uuyjor

answer
One has to be careful in labeling such a person. They could have narcissistic qualities, DO think they know it all, or just perhaps they worry about you and want to help the best way they can even if the advice isn't knowledgeable. Some people may have a low confidence level, lack enough education and are trying hard to fit in. You are either going to have to accept this person for the way they are or, you are going to have to walk away.

i think ill walk away...

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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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ok so now we are off of the birth certificate and on to his entire life story.......this just goes on and on but i guess its fair just because he still haven't proved he was taking vagina that was suppose to be thrown at him and running track or playing basketball. geez guys can the man have a damn break during his years in office?!?!?



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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People need to lighten up...



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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ok so now we are off of the birth certificate and on to his entire life story.......this just goes on and on but i guess its fair just because he still haven't proved he was taking vagina that was suppose to be thrown at him and running track or playing basketball. geez guys can the man have a damn break during his years in office?!?!?



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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By the way, the race card has been played ad nauseum. It simply isn't the case with conservatives. Otherwise why would conservatives have so overwhelmingly supported Condi Rice? See, your argument is just plain silly and a red herring.
I would vote for Hermain Cain or Allen West, but not for a leftist radical callous Marxist redistributionist
wants to radically change America into a European Socialist Utopian(read unrealistic) dream.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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People who deny the truth shoved many times in front of them are either stupid, willfully ignorant or RACIST against Obama.
Read this article, watch the video & you'll see the Socialist card is as false as most Republican arguments can be.
How Socialist can you be if you bail out banksters with billions of dollars?
www.cbsnews.com...
www.businessinsider.com...



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by mudbeed
This is what people are seeing when they come to ATS. If it was my first time, i might think about turning around. It reminds me of a GLP post, tbh.


I know what you mean. It's embarrassing. But it's what ATS members are talking about. There are a lot of birthers here. The thread asks a lot of questions. It doesn't really state anything that could be called a hoax or rant. I'm not sure where you think the thread should go, but I don't see any reason to move it. Like it or not, many ATS members dig it.

On Obama's past, I'm going to copy what I said in another thread, just so I don't have to type it out again.


I think if we looked into many people's pasts with as much scrutiny as has been focused on Obama, we might find some pretty colorful stuff. I know, if you looked into my past.... WHEW! you would be blown completely away! Let's just say I'm not going to be running for public office any time soon. My point is that I'm a GOOD person. I'm a better person than Obama, in my unbiased opinion.
But my past doesn't accurately portray the person I am today. And if I were to become a public figure, there's a lot about my past that I'd want to keep out of the public's eye. My past does not represent me. And neither does Obama's.

So, even if he did practice Islam, do coke, sleep with a man, hang out with socialists and take a trip to Pakistan when he shouldn't have, that isn't who he is today. And I happen to think that what you see is what you get with him. Aside from being a lawyer and a politician, I really like the guy and I don't buy that all this crap about his past has any relevance on the state of his presidency or the issues in the US.


Agreed

I guess my point was we did our job and debunked this.

Mods should do theirs and lock or move it.

OP should get the scolding that chem trail people would get when they didn't post in skunkworks.

Would you say that this is a fact site and not a political fanboy right vs left site?

We found the truth, no conspiracy here, just provem disinformation.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Racism aside, this topic is interesting to me on epistemological grounds. How do we know things and how do we prove we know things? What evidence is sufficient and satisfying to people?

Donald Trump may have funny hair but he is a very shrewd businessman. One of the papers here in Toronto covered some kind of business deal he did with a local businessman and went into a lot of details about the contract. My jaw dropped. Trump had himself covered from losses possible as a result of the deal, sixty ways to Sunday. Dealing with him must be like arm wrestling a gorilla who ties both your hands behind your back.

He's far from stupid, but he isn't quite satisfied about the birth thing.

Obama seems like a very nice guy. His political choices in certain areas are hard to differentiate from choices one would expect from George W. Bush. That is disturbing to me. America is disturbing to me. We live in disturbing times. Maybe that is why people who knew him and his family in Hawaii when he was a child aren't rushing forward to get involved.

At the crucial time of his birth and youth, it is possible that very few people in Hawaii knew them. Those who did may have passed on. A mixed race couple may have been shunned to some extent in 1961, particularly if one of the couple came from a foreign country.

Trump has enough money to do a proper investigation of Barack Obama's backround, if he really wants to. It probably would be shrewder to investigate the backround of the president's mother, Ann Dunham, though. Pregnant women generally have friends who help them, who remember helping them and who know all the details relevant to a birth.

Trump should be looking for those people.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by travisirius
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


People who deny the truth shoved many times in front of them are either stupid, willfully ignorant or RACIST against Obama.
Read this article, watch the video & you'll see the Socialist card is as false as most Republican arguments can be.
How Socialist can you be if you bail out banksters with billions of dollars?
www.cbsnews.com...
www.businessinsider.com...


Lol totally off topic (btw i agree with you)

At the same time i have to laugh at your choice of avatar pic.

Who's going to listen to a dog's ahole?

Lmao



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Gadz...
Honestly, sometimes I think it would be good if internet providers required real names (with pics) for their services to be automatically entered when a person signs up to a website *shakes head* Trolls are like internet Taliban, raising hell just for the sake of it.
But back on topic

I believe the following: the more complicated a conspiracy theory is the more untrue it tends to be.
When one holds another to a standard that is impossible to fulfill
When one disregards, denigrates, dismisses or undermines the accomplishments of another even in the face of incontrovertible proof of these accomplishments,
When one wants another to provide an endless supply of documentation (birth certificates, college degrees, work histories) and is never satisfied regardless of how much is provided,
When one can never be satisfied regardless of what the other person does, what positions they take, what decisions are made by them....there is always a constant complaint...
If a fact is presented and there is no coherent reason given as to why it should not be believed, it is because the one who does not believe it simply chooses not to.
When all other things are equal (or more than), there is nothing left except for some kind of "ism"
In this case Racism.
You know, it would really be nice if the racists (of all stripes) would really just come right out and say that they are racists..I mean..people will know what page you're on. Maybe have an R tattooed to your head so that people know what you think and how you feel, lol
Why worry about the impact to yourself?
But you do worry about it, which is the reason that types like this don't admit it but will gripe endlessly about anything and everything else they don't like about another, including holding them to standards that they themselves would not be able to pass muster under the same or similar circumstances.

*Yawn*



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Jobeycool
People need to lighten up...


Helium. And a telemprompter in every hot air balloon.



posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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Who's going to listen to a dog's ahole?

Lmao


Don't you see Jesus there? The Dog Butt Jesus!



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