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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:15 PM
I left God a voicemail a long time ago. Just kidding because he does NOT EXIST.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:16 PM
Anyway...... I do see your point, but I think with most of those you speak of with this betting logic are just faith based.
ot:the reaches are amazing these days tho some must agree
Be Well

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:21 PM

Originally posted by DanUKphd
reply to post by here4awhile

religious dogma doesn't exactly sit well on ATS

And neither does Atheistic dogma.

there is no such thing as atheist dogma you tart...dogma involves religion...atheism isn't exactly a's a belief...and did i ever dispose that i was atheist? NO...most religious followers are so judgmental of others it's sickening

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:21 PM
What's wrong with Hell anyway? If the Biblical God exists then that is where I will be going.. and I will see some of my old friends... can anyone say Reunion Party!!

Logic plays no part in Faith nor Belief, in fact we must put aside all logical processes in order to BELIEVE.

Indoctrination plays a massive role in Belief and Faith. Indoctrination is only logical to those who push the agenda of Faith and Belief... and who wish to create masses of Followers.

Forget hedging your bets.. and just Live the Life you Intend and leave the rest to Death to finalise.

Oh... and to the poster who said no one could tell them what happens after death... WRONG!! There are some people who work with the dead, who take these deadies into the Light, who experience what happens when the dead get there and Wake Up from the dream of life in the world.

Perhaps people should start to listen to these few very experienced workers so that they will overcome their FEAR of Death and Persecution by some allegedly Omnipotent Male Being called "God".

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Blue Shift
Yeah, that's why I also believe in Odin, and Ishtar, and Ra and Osiris, and keep kosher, and follow the Eight-Fold Path of Buddha, and worship the Great Spirit, and Jack O' Green, and Satan, and Zeus, and Mohammed and Jesus. Just to make sure all my bases are covered.

lol... Reminds me of that guy in The Mummy who had a charm from every religion and went through them all trying to find the one that would work for the situation

Great scene. And really, I see a lot of "so called" religious peopel doing similar, at least in spirit.

And OP, Pascal's Wager has been argued for a long time. No matter what frilly packaging you wrap it in, it's still Pascal's Wager.

And, frankly, if you think for a second that an eternal, jealous, angry and severely wrathful god, that is supposed to be omnipotent AND omnicient, is going to fall for that little trick, you are SADLY mistaken. And will very likely end up in the very hot place you're trying to avoid.

Oh, and, as to the first part of your little wager.. just because you go to church does NOT preclude you from killing and raping. FAR more of that has been done in the name of God than ANYTHING else in the history of mankind.

If you are a Christian, like you seem to put across in your OP, you'd better get right with God yourself, because you are decieving people just like the father of lies.
edit on 19-4-2011 by Jomina because: (no reason given)

ETA: By the way, before you go all a-kilter, I DO believe in a God... the force at the center of all things. Just because I don't worship the tin god you choose, does not mean I am some kind of evil being.
edit on 19-4-2011 by Jomina because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:23 PM
reply to post by MrJelly

So you made this equation up from scratch ? That's just killer. SnF

And Pascals wager is still what any betting man would be all over. The odds are in favor of creation any way you roll the dice. All day long. Christianity has it sown up heads and tails. Atheism is a total loss. Carry on.
edit on 19-4-2011 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:25 PM

Originally posted by MJZoo
I'm sure God would appreciate us believing in him just because we don't want to end up in Hell.

Why else would you believe in him?

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:28 PM
reply to post by MrJelly

There's a difference between a risk and a scam.
In this case some guy told you that there is a god.

What if no one had told you?

The risk would have never been present.

Did I defeat your logic?

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:32 PM
Why does it seem like religious fanatics on this forum are always smoking the best drugs?

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:34 PM

Originally posted by itsatrap
Why does it seem like religious fanatics on this forum are always smoking the best drugs?

lol they're just following your name, man.

It's all a trap. The question is, who really set the trap up?

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 07:36 PM
reply to post by itsatrap

take a hit of the brainwash, i hear its almost as intense as charlie sheen

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 08:45 PM
I don't know what it is as i just stumbled into the trap a while ago but it would seem someone a long damn time ago in the past could see the future and was writing and preparing for some massive game of mental torment coming down to just recently. It's my mother and this pig family that are the enemy. THe deviant deceptive filth that just lie and lie to try and play some kind of role reversal where my slime back evil sister and her retarded little call of duty mental case son try to suggest some crap where my son and I are supposed to take some kind of role reversal where that slimey evil fake whore and hte rest of this family of slime as well as the gutter trash populace of the pink skins work together to try and swap out our role because you all know damn well if I was truly your judge you'd all be going to hell in a hand bag like you're sending me to. Only though because you've spent a lifetime emotionally and physically abusing me so why not see you all for what you are and judge you?

There is something so fk'd up going on in BC canada right now I just can't belive it. Back after the summer in 2010 when some bizarre stuff happened that justfreaked me out after discovering a bunch of wacked out stuff mapped on the planet and code stuff with this language it was like the Mother Josie and her 3 little pigs were like passing some kind of friggin curse onto me. THe most disturbing thign I ever seen. My whole family lf liars are now all saying and mimicing me as if trying to appear as me while I just get more and more angry wondering wtf is going on and why they all suddenly start trying to pretend to be kind and helpfull to others after DECADES of being hte most selfish deceptive scum bag pigs in the universe. It's all and act that's for sure as all you have to do is poke to see they're still the same deceptive scum they've always been.

but anyways this family of whatever tehy are are part of some kind of bizarre game on this planet where everyone and everything is like an endless nightmare of misdirection I assume. Constant weird stuff in my path wondering wtf it's all about while i go to here or there and see the same numbers like my fathers birthdate 104 the mothers 103, the sister and her little son 101/315 etc. THese people are like wacked out and after month of the enemy TOSH->Chadwick->Berrington rifling through my garbage looking at my notes and such while trying to solve this game she suddenly stopped, totally changed her attitude and started acted extremely fk'd up while reality went totally nuts for most of hte winter etc. I know that pc was hacked etc and many were aware of who I am / was and were working together for whatever reason to friggin wreck me. Total friggin bs and a lot of it seemed to have to do with old religious stuff about being crucief on the cross which is hte meridian/ equator in the sky apparently.

Like how meIssa and the nebula of orion go the smack down opposite, Siruius and Aldeberan got it, betelguise to Rigel, Capella to casiopa etc. Something out there is destroying people/ crucifying them and it's just messed up. I wonder now if Jesus was part of the game or an insert to try and solve it or stop her. Because it said in my mind once... IT ALL GOES TO # when you look at IT!. If you'rea mason/thinker that's a reason to sht bricks...
| TOSH | IT |
| TO | # |
Other souls are suffering now because of this abomination apparently and they've been trying to stop it for a long time it would seem....

HELP ME becomes ME SAVE after decrypting.
ME SAVE more bricks to #...


posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 08:54 PM
ANd another thing you scum! I saw all yours older goons one by one trying to stand behind me and see what I was trying to solve on this laptop with the stars and google earth. I seen each of them so is this a game of the geezers trying to protect their greed and filth based society vs the younger one's trying to be free from it?

This world is so nice visually but the systems of it create nothing more than a prison that the scum of hte earth use to destroy others. All you geezers make me sick! I hope you enjoy sitting here far from the sounds of war while you pay your kiddies to murder others in your name... THis world is so fk'd up! Why the hell there has to be so much friggin war for the sake of establishing a nwo under the head of the most slimey people in existence is beyond me. This world is a MESS! And I know your little crypto lanauge game with english which is most likely just a rip off of another language as this langauge appears to be more a part of a code based on values. If that's the case and how I've percieved reality is true, then I've done fk'd up and show the hacker scum how to decrypt the code in english and they applied to something else. WHich i really hope isn't the case as that gayle and her kiddies have changed their number and avoid my calls endlessly after it was clear she had a HUGE part in the hacking crap/game.

You people are the TRAITORS! I've done nothing but sick back in a corner in misery for years after falling deeper and deeper into misery then THIS! My god what a joke. I can't believe how messed up it is to see how much of my life has been like a script and I wish i knew how to break free from it and write my own fate because I'm sick of this relentless suffering and feeling trapped in this land.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:02 PM

Originally posted by Conciliatore
You have no valid proof of the existence of god

You cant tell me what exist after death

You cant prove there is hell or heaven.

But you have no proof of their non-existence, so it's down to Pascal's wager, if your right nobody loses , but if the op is right and there is a God,then you have lost your very soul in the end,and you won't be able to deny hell any longer or God,but by then it will be to late, in fact if the op is right,you could die tonight and open your eyes in hell.
edit on 19-4-2011 by infojunkie2 because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:08 PM
reply to post by NorthAtASouth

What in the world are you going on about?,I tried reading your post, but you are more scatter brained than I am.
it almost sounds like you think you are posting on a different thread.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:13 PM
reply to post by MrJelly

This must be the most ridiculous argument ever posted on the subject and then to try and prove it with some very dubious maths is even more crazy.
In the end it comes to each person's belief - nothing more, nothing less.
Thus acategoric assertion that god does or does not exits can never be answered as both premises are based on a person's belief only, not facts.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:17 PM

Originally posted by itsatrap

Originally posted by MJZoo
I'm sure God would appreciate us believing in him just because we don't want to end up in Hell.

Why else would you believe in him?

Heaven - the place where all the boring religious do-gooders end up. It would be aterrible place to be, forever being bombarded by these fanatics. My definition of Hell.

Hell - the palce where the drunks and easy girls end up. My definition of Heaven.

Therefore - heaven = hell

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:19 PM
Your argument misses something. Let's say for a minute - just for the sake of this argument - that there really is a deity.
You contest that if you follow the path set by a certain religion then eternal heaven is the reward.
Failure to follow the religion ends in a hell.
Since it is not established that the religion actually follows the will of the deity (rather assumed, and without proof), then the reward - either heaven or hell - could very well not exist , and simply be something somebody made up (religion is designed by men, not by deities. It is the interpretation of man - who, according to your religion has sin and free will).
Therefore NBG does not necessarily = Hell.
And belief in the religion does not necessarily = Heaven
The existence of the deity is not a factor in either scenario.

If I choose to not partake in your religion, and not believe in a deity it does not follow that I will go to hell, as I don't believe in that either. Hell is a Christian problem that is simply a story made by man. There are more non-Christians than there are Christians.
Your argument says that all non-Christians will go to hell. That means that your Devil/Satan/Morningstar/Whatever gets far more souls than your god. Your dogma states that your god is all-aware. This means that he/she/it already knows the equation and is letting most of the people of Earth go to your hell.
That doesn't sound like someone/something that loves me. Your dogma insists that he/she/it does, but that - again - is the work of man.

Now, if your deity does exist, and doesn't approve of your religion (you assume there is approval, but don't prove it), you are most definitely not following his/her/its word and therefore you are destined for hell.

If a man/woman lives an exemplary life, and meets all criteria for 'goodness', but never has any knowledge of your deity or religion, does it follow that they too will go to hell? You might argue that they have lived a life without sin, and therefore qualify for Heaven. In which case, you're saying that NBG = Heaven.

Don't mistake religions for the will of deities who may or may not exist.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:39 PM
And the reason why you shouldn't...

When you put your faith in religion, you aren’t just putting your faith in the hands of god, you are putting your faith and beliefs with the ideas of people 2000+ years ago. These ideas and stories were changed countless times from the 1st century to the 20th century, whether it was done through translation, or deliberately by people that just didn’t agree or found a flaw. When you put your faith in the bible you are really just listening to what people thought and said 2000+ years ago instead of listening to what people are saying today, in the 21st century. You are not thinking for yourself, you are just following the herd.

Type in Google, “first bible ever” this is the site that comes up. Is it a 100% correct? I doubt it, but this is what we have to go on.

- 1,400 BCE (aka BC): The first written Word of God: The Ten Commandments delivered to Moses.

- 500 BCE: Completion of All Original Hebrew Manuscripts which make up The 39 Books of the Old Testament.

- 200 BCE: Completion of the Septuagint Greek Manuscripts which contain The 39 Old Testament Books AND 14 Apocrypha Books.

- 1st Century CE (aka AD): Completion of All Original Greek Manuscripts which make up The 27 Books of the New Testament.

- 1384 CE: Wycliffe is the First Person to Produce a (Hand-Written) manuscript Copy of the Complete Bible; All 80 Books.

- 1455 CE: Gutenberg Invents the Printing Press; Books May Now be mass-Produced Instead of Individually Hand-Written. The First Book Ever Printed is Gutenberg's Bible in Latin.

1535 CE: Myles Coverdale's Bible; The First Complete Bible printed in the English Language (80 Books: O.T. & N.T. & Apocrypha).

1539 CE: The "Great Bible" Printed; The First English Language Bible Authorized for Public Use (80 Books).

1885 CE: The "English Revised Version" Bible; The First Major English Revision of the KJV.

1901 CE: The "American Standard Version"; The First Major American Revision of the KJV.

*(BCE) = Before the Common Era, and (CE) = Common Era
**I changed them for Science and that’s all I changed.

So the bible as you know it did not exist until 1535. That is 1,500 years after the supposed death of christ and even then common people were not able to have their own copy until 1539. That was four years of *editing.* However, you still had to be wealthy enough to buy one and smart enough to read one. Adding in the 19th and 20th century edits, what on Earth did they need to edit the word of god for?

In the 1st century only a select few could read and write they were the elites. People had to get their information from what the more intelligent people were reading and saying. However today in the 21st century, we can all read, write, use the Internet, and think outside of the box to come to more logical conclusions. We are all our own individuals that can make up our own minds and escape from the follow the herd mentality.

But, hey at least you've got 1000 pts... that's gotta be worth something right?

edit on 19-4-2011 by tooo many pills because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:43 PM
OP- your title is inaccurate- it maybe should have read 'why you should believe in A god' there are lots of gods. how do I know which god you mean?

I dont know which god you are talking about.. but I think its Christian god.. if it is Christian god I don't think he would take too kindly to being bet on. He drowns people for stuff like that you know!

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