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Forget the Hebrews... What is YOUR tribal religion?

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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 08:19 AM
Many forget that, just like the Hebrews, each tribe had/has its own religions which have been formed by values important to that tribe.

Some think that all religions teach or value the same things... This is not true at all...

Let's take what was the religion of most european peoples prior to the conquering of the Celts....

In the Celtic beliefs, there was no sin... If you broke a law, it was a law of man, of society, but not of any diety.

As opposed to a "warrior god" of Yahweh in the Hebrew tribes, the most venerated god in the European tribes was Lugh Lamfada, a master artisan of all arts. This is due to a huge difference in values between these tribes...

In European tribal religion, there is no heaven or hell, simply "the other world" where life continues, debts are paid, etc.

As you can see, different tribes have different values, so i would encourage you to better understand what the values of your ancestral tribe were, and ask yourself why you may be following some value system from a foreign tribe which has no bearing on your peoples...
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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 08:31 AM
reply to post by HunkaHunka

Thank you for this post, this is the point i try to make to many people, as one of the others mentioned in the bible, outside of the Christian gods garden of Eden, i am walking a different path to them, while our paths cross in many places it is not the same path.
I must admit that even though my heritage is of Dutch and Irish cultures i have neglected to search for the way in the celtic paths.

I am glad our paths have crossed,
peace and blessed be in your journey

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 08:57 AM
link you want to bring back the Celtic practice of human sacrifice? Maybe cannibalism deserves a second look...

Anyone who has gone to law school KNOWS that law was derived from the Pentateuch...more specifically..."the 10 Commandments...

Now if a LAWYER can acknowledge that, what's YOUR problem? Maybe you just want an excuse to do whatever you want without being subject to judgment; that's called LAWLESSNESS...

Jeffrey Dahmer would have loved you...probably with a little salt and pepper! LOL!

Give it up...

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:00 AM
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

I see you have bought the roman propaganda...

Did you know the Romans found it quite alright for parents to dump unwanted children at trash heaps... Whereas celts expected all young and old to be taken care of...

What about women in power? Romans found this an abomination, whereas celts had many powerful women exalted

We aren't the beasts Julius made us out to be, but we are not nice to prisoners of war :-)

Like I said, do your research...

Once I did, I was a much happier person
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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:04 AM
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

and your way is the way of tolerance and just cause ?
if so your post seemed a bit rich for such a religion.
Why cant we live in a modern world and still be honest to our roots, with out trying to bring others who dont prescribe to the Christian faith to their knees..
cant we coexsist ?

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:22 AM
Good post.
Above all the Celts venerated nature.
When the Romans conquered northern Europe and Christianity started to spread in their wake Ireland and Scotland were left alone. The Romans weren't too enthused about fighting the Picts(Scotish) and they believed that Ireland was too cold, their name for Ireland was 'Hibernia', and not worth the effort to invade. There is also archaeological evidence to show that they sent at least one expeditionary force to Ireland but were beaten back into the sea. This was around the same era that the legendary Fionn Mac Cumhaill(pronounced 'mac cool') and the Fianna were the prominent warrior force in Ireland, they were supposed to have been a tough bunch

This meant that the Irish Celts were pretty much left alone to practice their religion, whilst the rest of Europe was in turmoil.
When Christianity eventually did arrive(St. Patrick is given the credit) to Ireland it was assimilated by the locals in a gradual process. The story of St. Patrick driving out the snakes is analogous, snakes representing the Celtic Deities. When you see the really old ruins of a church in Ireland, and I mean really old, these were built upon earlier Celtic ceremonial and religious sites.
What really happened was that a different version of Christianity evolved in Ireland in this era, it was mixed with the Celts love and respect for nature. Indeed still to this day in Ireland there are holy days that are of Celtic origin, Halloween is a good example of this. Infact most of the holy days revolve around the Celtic calender, which was seasonal, this is true for many countries that absorbed Christianity.
Anyway to round off, this all went well for a few hundred years until the reformation of the new roman catholic church under Charlemagne. When emissaries arrived in Ireland to see how thing were getting on they did not like the quaint little nature worshiping version of their ideology, their empire of wealth and power, they didn't like it one bit. With howls of 'heresy' they set about fixing things, stories of inquisition-like trials and even killing monks and burning their churches may or may not be true. What Ireland was left with was a modernized, corrupt, tyrannical institution called the Catholic church. Sad really.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:27 AM
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

Just wondering here... didn't Hammurabi have something to do with the modern formation of laws? No expert here, but I seem to recall reading something along these lines.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:34 AM
reply to post by darkwingduck

Google 'Brehon Law', these are the laws originating from Celtic times. They were very extensive, and covered everthing from property loss and compensation to divorce proceedings. They are still referenced today.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 09:40 AM
reply to post by seabhac-rua

Excellent point...

The Laws of a culture are an in-depth reflection of its people, their mores and way of life. For the ancient Irish, the Law was the single most important factor in both public and private life in the land. The native legal system was fully developed long before the invasions of Christian, Danish or Anglo-Norman. Though somewhat disturbed by each of these events, it continued to serve until finally abolished in the early 17th century. In this study, I will attempt to provide a historical summary and a sketch of the main features of the Brehon Law and it's reflection on the Irish culture of the early Iron Age.

I'd like to reiterate, that though my lineage is Celtic, others might come from different ancestral tribes, in each case i suggest you research that to better understand what your ancestors valued as opposed to what someother tribe thought...
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posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 04:32 PM
reply to post by RealAmericanPatriot

Here this will help you..

I,love both of these sites,I,have learned a lot about my background,from here.

posted on Apr, 19 2011 @ 04:45 PM
reply to post by venusstarlite

My fathers side is total Scottish,My Mothers side is, Irish, Dutch,Indian(cher),English.So,I,am so mixed up,laughing........They think on my dads side,there may be Jewish,they are checking it out.Well, actually all of came from the Middle east before AMERICA,It was Jews and Gentiles.So we came from them,ACTUALLY FROM NOAH'S,kids.Which ones,you can find out.I,am at to,looking. I,Just found my real brothers and sisters,I,never knew.I,was adopted.......Its been a Interesting time for me,It is my real fathers side,that I,just learned about.They are from the northern part of Scotland,,where the lost 10 tribes were at. So we will see,I,might learn my real history of my family.I,am having fun ,learning my family tree.Maybe you all should look up your tree.You may greatly surprised.Maybe that's why I,am so spiritual.Hope those sites help those on the Celtic family background.

posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 01:48 AM
Like the previous poster, I'm a bit too mixed up to have a distinct "Tribal Religion", although the predominant one is the Hebrew religion, as I am supposed to have descended from the Tribe of Benjamin.

But then on the other side, I am also of Irish ethnicity, although I'm not so sure about any connection to the Celtic religion, as my ancestors are supposed to have immigrated from Iberia.

And on yet another side, there is the Mongol Tribal religion...some sort of Shamanism?

Anyhow, holding a religious belief simply because that is the one that your original "tribe" held feels a bit silly to me, except in a role-playing game sort of sense, perhaps, just because it sounds cool
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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 02:07 AM
reply to post by babloyi

Isnt our whole life on earth just a role playing experience, arnt we just playing the game ?
are we not all players on this stage we call earth with our role to entertain the gods ?

and isnt following a religion because someone else says it right also a bit convoluted.. ie christianty

when we pull back the veil and see whats on the other side, we realize that we all can be god like and have control over our destiny

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posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 02:10 AM
reply to post by sprocket2cog

Originally posted by sprocket2cog
Isnt our whole life on earth just a role playing experience, arnt we just playing the game ?
are we not all players on this stage we call earth with our role to entertain the gods ?

Hahah...I suppose you could look at life as a roleplaying game, but I would like to think my role has nothing to do with the entertainment of anyone.

PS: I always thought that the father-figure/boss in the Irish mythos was the Dagda, but I just checked wikipedia right now, and apparently he was "preceded by" Lugh, whatever that means.

posted on Apr, 20 2011 @ 02:13 AM
reply to post by babloyi

The leader of the gods for the Irish pantheon appears to have been the Dagda. The Dagda was the figure after which male humans and other gods were based due to his embodiment of the ideal Irish traits. Celtic gods were also considered to be a clan due to their lack of specialization and unknown origins. The particular character of the Dagda describes him as a figure of burlesque lampoonery in Irish mythology, and some authors even conclude that he was trusted to be benevolent enough to tolerate jokes at his own expense.

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